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uncontent_soul
5th June 2015, 21:23
Can you explain what these things are, and give examples of what tey are aswell as explain why they are bad. Why can't leftists utilize activism? How else can they be heard?

The Intransigent Faction
5th June 2015, 21:42
Reactionary slogans should be obvious. Just glance at any "Tea Party" rally.
Of course leftists can utilize activism, but "Liberal activism" presumably involves expressly peaceful marches demanding little or nothing more than constitutional reform; the repealing of a particular law or legal program, the rejection of a particular bill, etc.

Either that, or Liberal activism refers to such things as consumer boycotts or individualized, segmented actions. While leftists may not expressly oppose consumer boycotts (depending on what they reflect, i.e. racist, sexist, heterosexist or otherwise reactionary motivations should be actively criticized), treating these as an end rather than a means and something which, within the confines of liberal ideology and capitalist society, is "the best thing we can do" definitely deserves criticism. Particularly since the only people capable of carrying out consumer boycotts are those with enough money to do so. Something similar could be said for circulating online petitions or forming Facebook groups. Leftists can certainly take part in protests against discriminatory business practices, draconian legislation, etc., but with the perspective and far-sight to see that such things need to be carried beyond those immediate aims. Liberal activism is far more myopic.

Activism is not lifestylism, either, meaning leftist activism doesn't mean one is compelled to move to a commune and spend his or her days farming organic vegetables (not that there's anything wrong with doing that).

Sewer Socialist
5th June 2015, 22:48
A similar thing to boycotts is the idea that we need to support progressive businesses, co-ops, small businesses, local businesses. These are, in a way, a product of the liberal idea that the financial success or failure of a product on the market determines the moral standing of a commodity and its sellers.

Portland is full of people who seem to think that it's really radical to spend your money on such things, and if we get enough people on board, we'll save the world. :rolleyes:

The Intransigent Faction
6th June 2015, 00:34
A similar thing to boycotts is the idea that we need to support progressive businesses, co-ops, small businesses, local businesses. These are, in a way, a product of the liberal idea that the financial success or failure of a product on the market determines the moral standing of a commodity and its sellers.

Portland is full of people who seem to think that it's really radical to spend your money on such things, and if we get enough people on board, we'll save the world. :rolleyes:

...So this shit is accurate (sorry---immediately thought of this clip)?

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Yeah, "ethical consumerism" in general is a liberal tactic.

Sewer Socialist
6th June 2015, 00:48
Sort of, but I'm weary to say that show is an accurate depiction of Portland, which focuses exclusively on the heavily gentrified parts that are completely full of themselves and literally ridiculous with this weird bourgeois ideology which is often described as radical.

uncontent_soul
7th June 2015, 03:12
Reactionary slogans should be obvious. Just glance at any "Tea Party" rally.
Of course leftists can utilize activism, but "Liberal activism" presumably involves expressly peaceful marches demanding little or nothing more than constitutional reform; the repealing of a particular law or legal program, the rejection of a particular bill, etc.

Either that, or Liberal activism refers to such things as consumer boycotts or individualized, segmented actions. While leftists may not expressly oppose consumer boycotts (depending on what they reflect, i.e. racist, sexist, heterosexist or otherwise reactionary motivations should be actively criticized), treating these as an end rather than a means and something which, within the confines of liberal ideology and capitalist society, is "the best thing we can do" definitely deserves criticism. Particularly since the only people capable of carrying out consumer boycotts are those with enough money to do so. Something similar could be said for circulating online petitions or forming Facebook groups. Leftists can certainly take part in protests against discriminatory business practices, draconian legislation, etc., but with the perspective and far-sight to see that such things need to be carried beyond those immediate aims. Liberal activism is far more myopic.

Activism is not lifestylism, either, meaning leftist activism doesn't mean one is compelled to move to a commune and spend his or her days farming organic vegetables (not that there's anything wrong with doing that).

What is lifestylism, and are all leftists usually like liberals who don't care much about workers rights and just complain about how everything is racist and sexist... Because a lot of things are but if you say ANYTHING liberals and some socialists will pout it out as say how prejudice it is... Like some extreme feminists just point out everything as sexist. Like it's great to accept people for who they are and push cultural norms, but they seem to get focused on way too many details, without worrying about te basic (eg.) workers rights, revolutionary tactics etc.

uncontent_soul
7th June 2015, 03:14
So if socialists don't use reactionary slogans it means They can't have any signs, pins stocked a or anything that supports Marxist ideology.