Britain First.

[Comrade Jacob]

What is up with them? Most of their support seems to come from the US. I had to un-friend two people that I got on really well with in the psych-ward. One became a Christian-fundie and the other one has become more obsessed with ulter-loyalism and "muh Queen!!11!!". I put up with it until she liked a page called "white people only" then I just said "fuck it".

Do you guys 'n' gals have/had any Biffer friends?

[Jacky Hearts]

I once new a black guy who liked liked their page and shared a lot of their shit. I'm pretty sure he was trying to subtly express self-loathing.

[cyu]

I don't unfriend people - they unfriend me instead :grin:

Usually I try to corrupt them, in the same way capitalists have corrupted democracy and Christianity.

[bricolage]

I don't even think Britain First are taken particularly seriously amongst the far-right. Once you strip away the internet novelty - and the liberals that love making memes about them - they aren't really an entity of any note. It would make sense that they'd have support from people in the US, considering the internet is the only real way that somewhere there would be able to interact with the British far-right.

[PhoenixAsh]

I was FB friend with some person from the states. They posted something from BF that was racist to the core and was a complete misquote attributed to the Ayatollah...in order to prove that all Muslims are pedophiles. We argued. I said BF was semi-fascist. Some Brit friend of hers defended BF and the BNP. I called him a fascist. Then she said she was a fascist too. I don't really think that she knew what it means.

She lost about a dozen friends that day.

Funny thing...up until that time she posted mostly left-wing liberal things.

[Futility Personified]

Britain First were supposed to have been having going around intimidating muslims for a period, though I haven't heard anything about it for a while. The last thing I saw them doing was having a pop at the people who went and aggressively breast-fed in the presence of Farage, and they just seemed like.... people who are most probably incurably stupid.

Mostly they seem to be a vehicle for spreading far right ideology and well, selling people merchandise. Half of the shit they spread is normally to do with animal cruelty or some comparative travesty that has no underlying racial or fascistic tones, and they open the nets to get subscribers, who will then probably start regurgitating some of the bilge they are subjected to.

[Zoop]

They're a bunch of fascist tools basically. They need to be militantly and violently combated.

On their website they want "Hate preachers of our street."

Don't worry, we'll get you off our streets :lol:

[Left Voice]

They're a BNP offshoot formed by Jim Dowson, who is a strong Christian fundimentalist. That's why their bile often goes beyond just racism, often venturing into anti-abortion, strong Christianity-related posts, and their infamous mosque 'invasions'. They're clever in that they gain a lot of Facebook 'likes' by masking their true views and circulating fabricated pictures, pictures opposing animal abuse, child abuse etc., pictures in support of the soldier etc. They tug at heartstrings to fool people into unknowlingly 'liking' right-wing extremists. Once their posts appear on people's Facebook feeds, it becomes simpler to slowly 'cultivate' people into becoming more and more right wing and reactionary.

I don't want to overstate the point because they might just disappear like the EDL, but their methods have the potential to be far more damaging as people gradually subscribe to their bile. They're covert fascists rather than overt like the BNP.

I've had UKIP supporters 'unfriend' me. I've not had anybody who shared BF bile unfriend me yet because they proabably don't even realise how they're getting sucked into all that reactionary bullshit.

[PhoenixAsh]

I was just about to say that small organization's with a heavy mainstream Internet presence are far more effective and potentially dangerous than small street groups. But Left Voice brilliantly posted that already.

And it (BF) posts do seem to spread like wild fire, especially among Americans and I noticed that starting when there was that Royal baby and the Royal visit....which seems to have spread some infatuation with England.

[Counterculturalist]

Yeah, here in Canada people repost BF stuff on Facebook as well. They don't even seem to realize when they're posting something about England, not Canada.

Not BF-related, but recently a bunch of people on my Facebook reposted a satirical story about a Muslim bakery forcing non-Muslim employees to wear hajibs. The point was to make fun of American "religious freedom" laws that allow Christians to discriminate against gays. Not only did everybody miss the joke, they also thought it was true. When I pointed out that no, this isn't actually happening, people were like "fuck you, it probably is true." End of discussion. *sigh*.

[Hit The North]

My Mum, who has muscled her way onto my fb site, posted a BF article calling for all Schools in the UK to be compelled to hold a nativity play at Christmas. When I objected, she claimed that she was too old to know what Britain First was and only posted it because she liked the nativity scene which illustrated the article.

I still reported her to Facebook, though.

That's right, I grassed-up my mum to Facebook.

My own mum. :o

[PhoenixAsh]

A practice that goes back to the cultural revolution...I believe..

Wasn't there some painting in the Tower wheree two kids were asked where their father was or something?

Also kuddo's for allowing your mom on Facebook. I flatly reject everybody who has the slightest to do with may parents :)

[RA89]

BF is pretty pointless. They started out intending to be a political group (and they made that explicitly clear) but then realised UKIP were going to dominate that area so they starting supporting UKIP. They rely on their internet store of "patriotic" clothing and merchandise for income along with membership fees. They really are just conning their followers.
They seem to lack real direction, the only posts of theirs with any unity among their followers are the anti-islam/anti-left wing ones. All of their Jesus/Christianity posts are mocked by half of their followers there will never be a fundamentalist Christian group in the UK like America has. I get friends sharing their posts, mainly shit about introducing the death sentence for paedophiles and stuff like that.

[Left Voice]

They actually have a couple of trojan horse groups that they use to flog merchandise. For example, both the 'Knights Templar International' and 'Lionheart GB' just Britain First under a different guise who they use to sell merchandise by plugging it on the main Britain First site. They go into overdrive with this everytime there's some kind of military rememberence day such as Remembrance Sunday.

They have quite an ingenious scam going on. They get their followers to donate towards the manufacture of merchandise. Then they sell that merchandise back to those same followers, who have effectively paid twice. Much of this is with the promise that a certain percentage goes towards the British Royal Legion or Help for Heroes, both of whom refuse to take money from them and deny that any proceeds are offered to them in the first place.

They seem to have the financial side of things down to a T.

[Proletarius]

They are utterly cringeworthy. They attack Islamist hate preachers for disturbing the peoples of this country then go and disturb the people of this country with their bollocks.

Someone summed it up best, I can't remember where I read it now "Britain First, Logic Last"

I know a few people that have liked their page and shared some of their stuff. Largely apolitical people who take out their frustrations with the state on this imagined threat of the "nasty foreigners"

[Proletarius]

They're a BNP offshoot formed by Jim Dowson, who is a strong Christian fundimentalist. That's why their bile often goes beyond just racism, often venturing into anti-abortion, strong Christianity-related posts, and their infamous mosque 'invasions'. They're clever in that they gain a lot of Facebook 'likes' by masking their true views and circulating fabricated pictures, pictures opposing animal abuse, child abuse etc., pictures in support of the soldier etc. They tug at heartstrings to fool people into unknowlingly 'liking' right-wing extremists. Once their posts appear on people's Facebook feeds, it becomes simpler to slowly 'cultivate' people into becoming more and more right wing and reactionary.

I don't want to overstate the point because they might just disappear like the EDL, but their methods have the potential to be far more damaging as people gradually subscribe to their bile. They're covert fascists rather than overt like the BNP.

I've had UKIP supporters 'unfriend' me. I've not had anybody who shared BF bile unfriend me yet because they proabably don't even realise how they're getting sucked into all that reactionary bullshit.

This makes a lot of sense now. I had noticed an odd Christian undertone to their shite, which is not what you usually see in this country.

I hate the attitude of these people that make a big deal about halal slaughtering of animals or perhaps the abuse towards animals then want to deport large amounts of human beings. I had noticed a few parody BF pages on FB now and I think this is the way to go. People will see through their shit. Perhaps I'm just being optimistic but it's usually the case. See: Total collapse of the BNP.

[cyu]

Follow the money. But if you follow the money too far, you'll probably end up like Michael Hastings ;)

[Comrade Jacob]

The amount of arrogance on BF's posts make me want to build gulags.

[ComradeAllende]

A friend of mine in the Marine Corps shared one of their memes on anti-immigration and "wasteful foreign aid." Didn't have the heart to argue with him, mainly cuz we'd gotten into arguments before and he was always stubborn as an ass. When gay marriage became legal he was butthurt about it and lost two friends because they were gay.

[Proletarius]

A friend of mine in the Marine Corps shared one of their memes on anti-immigration and "wasteful foreign aid." Didn't have the heart to argue with him, mainly cuz we'd gotten into arguments before and he was always stubborn as an ass. When gay marriage became legal he was butthurt about it and lost two friends because they were gay.

This always gets me. They moan if they come here for a better life and they moan if we wish to give them anything to help improve their lives.

Surely, from a right wing perspective, it would be ideal to try and improve the lives of people in other nations if they don't want them to move to their nations?

I will never understand reactionary bollocks.

[cyu]

If capitalists are mostly sociopaths, then one would expect their political ideas to be sociopathic. The members of political parties that represent their ideas would be immersed in sociopathic thinking.

[Antiochus]

Ugh, in the U.S, on Twitter, there is this turd account called "Cloyd Rivers", with an avatar of a redneck or whatever. He just spends all his time posting racially charged bullshit about Obama and illegals and how if you "don't stand behind the troops, you can stand in front of them". Needless to say, he is very popular. A bunch of middle class white kids with the political education of a rat love his posts thinking he is like the next Voltaire or whatever. A few weeks ago some idiot that I followed since I knew him from High School basically wrote "Sarah Bland deserved what she got". A few people insulted/reprimanded him and he backed off by saying "I meant get arrested, not that she died". I tend to try to ignore these things from people I know because I do get the genuine urge to take a baseball ball to their knees.

And it seems pointless to actually debate these people for the simple reason that they can always fall back on existing ideology to make you look "crazy" ("You don't support the troops? rolf rofl rofl terrorist commie") to other people.

[Proletarius]

Ugh, in the U.S, on Twitter, there is this turd account called "Cloyd Rivers", with an avatar of a redneck or whatever. He just spends all his time posting racially charged bullshit about Obama and illegals and how if you "don't stand behind the troops, you can stand in front of them". Needless to say, he is very popular. A bunch of middle class white kids with the political education of a rat love his posts thinking he is like the next Voltaire or whatever. A few weeks ago some idiot that I followed since I knew him from High School basically wrote "Sarah Bland deserved what she got". A few people insulted/reprimanded him and he backed off by saying "I meant get arrested, not that she died". I tend to try to ignore these things from people I know because I do get the genuine urge to take a baseball ball to their knees.

And it seems pointless to actually debate these people for the simple reason that they can always fall back on existing ideology to make you look "crazy" ("You don't support the troops? rolf rofl rofl terrorist commie") to other people.


I've just had a look at that twitter page. Awful.

Filled with absolute shite and the typical fallacy of "We can't criticse X if it's wrong because Y goes on" apparently, we cannot criticise the killing of a Lion because some veterans are homeless.

[Tim Cornelis]

This always gets me. They moan if they come here for a better life and they moan if we wish to give them anything to help improve their lives.

Surely, from a right wing perspective, it would be ideal to try and improve the lives of people in other nations if they don't want them to move to their nations?

I will never understand reactionary bollocks.

Not so long ago, national-conservatives here complained about how the EU paid money to Morocco to stop migrants.... "oh, they are allowed to stop migrants, even get paid by the EU, but we aren't?" failing to see that those migrants have the EU as destination, not Morocco, and that Morocco gets paid probably to evade more lax migration rules of the EU... :glare:

[Proletarius]

Not so long ago, national-conservatives here complained about how the EU paid money to Morocco to stop migrants.... "oh, they are allowed to stop migrants, even get paid by the EU, but we aren't?" failing to see that those migrants have the EU as destination, not Morocco, and that Morocco gets paid probably to evade more lax migration rules of the EU... :glare:

They detest all that is foreign so badly that they cannot look over this hate even when it may help them reach their goals, such as giving money to foreigners to prevent them coming to their own nations.

They are all so silly. They have such a black and white simplistic view of the world. You can tell they've never asked why certain things have happened and how we can make the world a better place, they are ruled by a fear of the world and all that is outside of their cosy definitions.

[ComradeAllende]

This always gets me. They moan if they come here for a better life and they moan if we wish to give them anything to help improve their lives.

Surely, from a right wing perspective, it would be ideal to try and improve the lives of people in other nations if they don't want them to move to their nations?

I will never understand reactionary bollocks.

Yeah I guess, but he's a reactionary son-of-a-***** who's drifting towards white supremacy. He sometimes posts "WhiteLivesMatter" memes where whites are the victims of black criminals (even though those criminals were arrested, tried, and convicted). One time he even posted a meme about the mass shooting in Connecticut where one black guy killed a bunch of his white coworkers and compared it to the racist massacre in Charleston (even though this shooting happened in 2010 and received full news coverage).

[Proletarius]

Yeah I guess, but he's a reactionary son-of-a-***** who's drifting towards white supremacy. He sometimes posts "WhiteLivesMatter" memes where whites are the victims of black criminals (even though those criminals were arrested, tried, and convicted). One time he even posted a meme about the mass shooting in Connecticut where one black guy killed a bunch of his white coworkers and compared it to the racist massacre in Charleston (even though this shooting happened in 2010 and received full news coverage).

This shit is far too common on the internet these days.

What they don't understand is that it's NOT equal. A black man killing a white man, usually in an act of crime and as you point out, they are always convicted swiftly and jailed. It's usually motivated by poverty yet the right wing persecution complex is strong and they twist it into some racial attack. While the shootings by whites on blacks tend to be racially motivated. Of course, a crime is a crime but they are deliberately misrepresenting an act of robbery out of poverty as a racial attack by a man perceiving himself to be superior.

However (and I say this as a white European man) there is a widespread stereotyping and classification of black males as criminals or at least criminalistic which leads to no second chances for black males, well black people overall. The police tend to stereotype them as criminals and behaviour is then automatically classed as criminalistic, for example, the killing of an unarmed black man recently because the cop perceived him to be using his car as a weapon. Or because one decided to sprint away from a police officer. This results from the stereotyping of black males as being criminals. This is deeply embedded in the institutions that aim to police us.


Plus, when you fit this into a background of near constant deprivation of rights for black people overall throughout the history of the West, combined with us actually enslaving them, it becomes a bigger and far worse issue.

So they can get fucked with their persecution complex "Whitey gets it hard from the nasty brown people" bullshit.

[UnapologeticPsychopath]

I have observed Britain First for a long time and I've also had the pleasure of knowing some prime people in their leadership.

But .......... They aren't Christians. They tend to pledge their allegiance to the Pope and this is though love of Knights Templar imagery and Roman Catholicism. In the same ways they share in the similar cultural belief system of Russian Neo-Nazis who pledge their allegiance to the Russian Orthodox Church.

Stand and think for one moment. In Britain today a good majority of young Christian congregations tend to be Born Again/Evangelical. Now when was the last time you saw a Britain First member sing "Jesus you are my best friend"?

Britain First uses religion to subdue & dominate people just like Anjem Choudary's gang intimidate people with their Jihadist dogma.

I don't know REVLEFT's policy on links so I won't include one to the video I wanted to link but if a admin can tell me to link it I will.