Your opinion on Afrikaners

[The_Southern_Leftist]

The issue of Afrikaner or White South African genocide is a real problem. IMO it is the only real form of "white genocide" because it appears to be a genuine collective punishment that has ostracized, slaughtered, and mistreated white south africans. I wish to state I am not a white nationalist. I personally wish to see a south african communist group that actually stages a revolution. I just want to know other leftist opinions on Afrikaners and their treatment. I already know that Right Wingers oppose it because it is a genocide against whites but I as a leftist oppose it because I oppose all genocide.

[#FF0000]

The issue of Afrikaner or White South African genocide is a real problem

No it isn't. That assertion is based on inaccurate and misleading math and statistics. The violent crime rate in South Africa grew in kind with population numbers, and grew faster for non-white populations in South African than it did for whites anyway. On top of that, the claim also relies on comparing pre-Apartheid data with post-Apartheid data, which is a problem because the numbers related to black homicide victims was under-reported under Apartheid. On top of that, the murder rates in South Africa have been falling in these past few years.

No, there is no "white genocide" in South Africa.

[Tim Cornelis]

They are not targeted because they are white, they are targeted because they are rich farmers. Ergo, no genocide. Regardless, heinous crimes in South Africa are endemic. Obviously, you don't deserve for your children and possibly yourself being slaughtered over being a farmer (/owning private property).

[#FF0000]

They are not targeted because they are white, they are targeted because they are rich farmers. Ergo, no genocide. Regardless, heinous crimes in South Africa are endemic. Obviously, you don't deserve for your children and possibly yourself being slaughtered over being a farmer (/owning private property).

A significant minority of the people murdered in "farm attacks" are black as well. Something like 15% or so.

[RedWorker]

Plus the obvious reality that White South Africans have, despite being much smaller in numbers, an incredibly much higher status and quality of life. The racism in South Africa is against the black majority.

[The_Southern_Leftist]

No it isn't. That assertion is based on inaccurate and misleading math and statistics. The violent crime rate in South Africa grew in kind with population numbers, and grew faster for non-white populations in South African than it did for whites anyway. On top of that, the claim also relies on comparing pre-Apartheid data with post-Apartheid data, which is a problem because the numbers related to black homicide victims was under-reported under Apartheid. On top of that, the murder rates in South Africa have been falling in these past few years.

No, there is no "white genocide" in South Africa.
Genocide Watch begs to differ.

[Ethics Gradient, Traitor For All Ages]

"Genocide Watch has issued a Genocide Emergency for Somalia. Complex civil conflicts, along with devastating periods of drought over the past two decades have left the Republic of Somalia a failed state. The UNDP deems Somalia the world’s “worst humanitarian disaster.” Somalia’s instability has led to mass atrocities and human rights violations against the civilian population, being committed by all major parties involved in the conflict, especially by Al-Shabaab insurgents, Transitional Federal Government (TFG) forces, and intervening Ethiopian military forces. Therefore, Genocide Watch places Somalia at Stage 9 on the 10 Stages of Genocide and issues a Genocide and Mass Atrocities Alert."

I think these people legitimately don't know what genocide is

[Armchair Partisan]

I doubt there is any sort of explicitly anti-white systemic action in South Africa, but the country is in an extremely shitty situation. I don't think anyone, white or black, fares well under the incredibly corrupt and authoritarian ANC mafia that has developed to be a mockery of the movement that ended apartheid in South Africa.

[#FF0000]

Genocide Watch begs to differ.

They can beg to differ all they want -- they're wrong.

[The_Southern_Leftist]

They can beg to differ all they want -- they're wrong.

Why are they wrong? I have seen evidence to suggest a genocide of blacks by whites under apartheid. Evidence I have seen suggests that the roles have been reversed. If you have any links that you could share they would be greatly appreciated.

[Armchair Partisan]

Why are they wrong? I have seen evidence to suggest a genocide of blacks by whites under apartheid. Evidence I have seen suggests that the roles have been reversed. If you have any links that you could share they would be greatly appreciated.

Genocide Watch itself only places South Africa under the "watch" category, i.e. no genocide is occurring yet, only warning signs thereof. There are some anti-white racists like Julius Malema but they do not appear to be in control (Malema himself was kicked out of the ANC). Therefore, if you have further evidence that you claim to have seen, please share it with us.

Edit: Also, I've read some articles (http://www.genocidewatch.org/images/South_Africa_2013-10-xx_SA,_where_corruption_is_normal.pdf) featured on the site. WTF? Is this "Genocide Watch" a Baptist propaganda mouthpiece?

[Tim Cornelis]

I don't think there was genocide under apartheid either. Blacks were displaced, so ethnic cleansing probably. But there was no plan to get rid of the black population through annihilation. And indeed, share this evidence. Yes, white farmers are killed at an alarming rate, but this is because murdering thieves seek out relatively wealthy places to steal from, which are disproportionally populated by whites. Black people are not going around killing whites because they are white on a mass scale. Ergo, no genocide.

If the South Africa existed in two parallel dimensions, and one government decided to splurge money on an incredibly effective campaign to combat racial prejudice against whites and the other on an incredibly effective campaign against poverty, which parallel South Africa would see the largest and by far most significant drop in murders of white farmers? Please don't tell me that you really believe it would be the one with the anti-racist campaign.

[Comrade Jacob]

The is no white-genocide anywhere in the world. Whites in S.Africa are mostly very privileged.

[The_Southern_Leftist]

I don't think there was genocide under apartheid either. Blacks were displaced, so ethnic cleansing probably. But there was no plan to get rid of the black population through annihilation. And indeed, share this evidence. Yes, white farmers are killed at an alarming rate, but this is because murdering thieves seek out relatively wealthy places to steal from, which are disproportionally populated by whites. Black people are not going around killing whites because they are white on a mass scale. Ergo, no genocide.

If the South Africa existed in two parallel dimensions, and one government decided to splurge money on an incredibly effective campaign to combat racial prejudice against whites and the other on an incredibly effective campaign against poverty, which parallel South Africa would see the largest and by far most significant drop in murders of white farmers? Please don't tell me that you really believe it would be the one with the anti-racist campaign.

No I do not believe it will be the one with the anti-racist campaign and I do apologize. I got my sources from an essay a friend of mine wrote and he sent me the links to his sources and I read them. But after I went back to send the links to you guys and review them I found something disturbing. They were from websites that upon further review were white nationalist.:ohmy:. I do want everyone to know my position wasn't one against the black south africans. It was just against genocide.

[Armchair Partisan]

I got my sources from an essay a friend of mine wrote and he sent me the links to his sources and I read them. But after I went back to send the links to you guys and review them I found something disturbing. They were from websites that upon further review were white nationalist.:ohmy:.

What a surprise. See, this is why I and many others are instinctively skeptical of any claims of anti-white discrimination in South Africa. It's pretty much always WN scumbags peddling it.

Pretty good point about whites being targeted because they're richer to begin with, too.