Drugs

[Sinister Intents]

I've had ecstasy recommended to me before and I think I'll try it. It's probably common knowledge I'm rather fucked up, but I really want to try new drugs. What have people here done that they've enjoyed.

On another note I figured out the proper way for me to drink, I have to get myself into a happy mood and do something fun. I also took smoking wee up again and I'm like a marijuana chimney with 420 on the side.

[Comrade Njordr]

I smoked a little weed a while back, kinda enjoyed it but my mind wonders too much... I'm not really a big fan of drugs, I'd rather keep my head clear and my body clean. But that's just me.

[mushroompizza]

If you are a party animal ecstasy is great, if you want to relax with some buds and watch tv dont take ecstasy just smoke weed. Plus ecstasy is a cocktail pill making it kinda dangerous, some dealers put meth in it.

[John Nada]

I hear yola is pretty nice. Not something to be careless with, but it keeps the party going, assuming it fishscale(rarer) and not stepped on with nasty shit.

[Sasha]

If you are a party animal ecstasy is great, if you want to relax with some buds and watch tv dont take ecstasy just smoke weed. Plus ecstasy is a cocktail pill making it kinda dangerous, some dealers put meth in it.

While I'm certainly not against MDMA at parties I have found I enjoy it far more as an "hang out in nature" or "chill with friends at home and chat and maybe get naked" drug.
Also, meth in xtc? Never heard about that, sure they cut it with amphetamines but meth? Also, even if true, since you don't smoke xtc I doubt you have much to fear about ending up in a serious meth high. I would worry far more about PMMA than meth in your pills.

[Quail]

While I'm certainly not against MDMA at parties I have found I enjoy it far more as an "hang out in nature" or "chill with friends at home and chat and maybe get naked" drug.
Also, meth in xtc? Never heard about that, sure they cut it with amphetamines but meth? Also, even if true, since you don't smoke xtc I doubt you have much to fear about ending up in a serious meth high. I would worry far more about PMMA than meth in your pills.

I agree with all of this. When I'm high on MDMA I much prefer being outside and chatting and chilling than dancing. But I suppose it depends on the person. I don't know if I'm much of a "party animal" anyway.

[Sinister Intents]

Okay so MDMA would lead me down the path of killing myself? I've heard horror stories

I'm curious though to try it because we have beautiful places here

[John Nada]

While I'm certainly not against MDMA at parties I have found I enjoy it far more as an "hang out in nature" or "chill with friends at home and chat and maybe get naked" drug.QFT. Real MDMA is mellow as fuck. Perfect for chilling
Also, meth in xtc? Never heard about that, sure they cut it with amphetamines but meth? Also, even if true, since you don't smoke xtc I doubt you have much to fear about ending up in a serious meth high. I would worry far more about PMMA than meth in your pills.It's an American thing. Amphetamine outside of prescription pills like Adderall or Dexedrine is nonexistent. Meth isn't as common in Europe for some reason. They cut it with meth because it's more potent and gives a more spun out high that people mistake for good shit. It also make people take far more pills due to fiending nature. And though it's more intense smoked, meth works fine taken orally or snorted. There's even rare and expensive(way more than the purest street shit) prescription tablets called Desoxyn with 5mg of meth used for ADD, narcolepsy, obesity and to improve the mood of terminally ill patients.
Okay so MDMA would lead me down the path of killing myself? I've heard horror stories

I'm curious though to try it because we have beautiful places herI can't say because some individuals might have a different reaction. But for the most part it's not that bad, particularly compared to the one I mentioned earlier.;)I'd say it's a soft drug like psychedelics, only more mellow.

[Ethics Gradient, Traitor For All Ages]

Yeah I don't think mdma would lead you to kill yourself, obviously everyone is different but that's not a rumor im familiar with. In my early 20s I knew a girl who fell out a window 10 stories up on it, but its because she had a habit of sitting on the window ledge with her legs hanging out which we had all warned her about. Bad way to go :-(

[Sasha]

t. Meth isn't as common in Europe for some reason.

that reason being we have good speed, why fuck around with meth? its the same as crack and spice and black tar, why would we if we have good coke and weed and white heroin?

[Os Cangaceiros]

Crystal meth is way better than the speed paste they have in Europe...the high is more intense, "smooth" and lasts waaaay longer than "amphetamine base". If you parachute meth (ie consume a decent amount orally) there's a good chance you'll be high for days. (Well, you'll be awake anyway)

I'm not advocating the drug in any way but I think the "speed scene" in the USA is actually better than in Europe*. There's a wide proliferation of pharmaceutical-grade "practical" amphetamines in the form of Adderall and Dexedrine & if for purely recreational tweaker purposes, there's methamphetamine.

*Europe has a far better MDMA scene, though.

It's weird that someone would try to pass meth off as MDMA. The duration of the effects of meth consumed orally last a really long time, far longer than the effects of MDMA.

OP, I'm not necessarily opposed to drug use, but just don't be dumb about it.

[Sasha]

Here the only people using meth are in the gay crowd, so i expect that, like with other drugs like XTC and GHB it will spread to lesser trendy scenes in the near future...

[Os Cangaceiros]

Yeah in the early days of meth here in the states it was commonly associated with the homosexual cruiser scene (and with hillbillies/"white trash" later on)

Meth is one drug that partially deserves and partially does not deserve the stigma it has surrounding it...on the one hand a lot of it was pure media hysteria in the 1990's and early 2000's which did nothing but demonize addicts in a particularly cruel and demeaning way, but on the other hand meth abuse really does turn good people into very bad people & people commonly exercise really bad decision making while under the influence of it.

[Sinister Intents]

My dad did meth by accident once

He thought it was cocaine

[bcbm]

smoking meth with a stranger while i was really, really, really drunk lead me to my current experiment with sobriety.

was a nice high though, i ran a couple miles barefoot to get home.

[Sinister Intents]

I'd be afraid to do meth

What is it actually?

[John Nada]

that reason being we have good speed, why fuck around with meth? its the same as crack and spice and black tar, why would we if we have good coke and weed and white heroin?Crack is freebased coke and often stronger(duh) and purer due to the cooking process. It's 115% more coke by by weight uncut since the moisture and acid it's neutralized with is removed Difference is it doesn't dissolve in water or one's nose, but melts and vaporizes(makes a crackling sizzling noise), whereas coke turns black and burns up uselessly if smoked with little effects. Some like spice more because it's pretty strong and intense. And black tar can be smoked and 80-90% pure sometimes, white powder is easy to cut. Speed is pretty close to crystal in effects, but crystal is 2x potent, intense and strangely less "edgy". Plus it's can be vaporized. I'd say it's like the difference between morphine and heroin.
Yeah in the early days of meth here in the states it was commonly associated with the homosexual cruiser scene (and with hillbillies/"white trash" later on)Meth scene started way back. Soldiers stationed in Japan(where it was invented) and Korea used it when the Japanese pharmaceutical companies dumped the war surplus onto the market, on top of the amphetamine the US military already gave out. Then back in the US, a lot of workplaces used to have the company doctor give amphetamines for shit like hangovers! Doctors even actually prescribed Methadrine ampoules! Why anyone would need to inject meth at home instead of a hospital for anything other than extremely rare conditions, I don't know.:confused:
My dad did meth by accident once

He thought it was cocaineIt burns! It burns!(anyone who has done it knows what I mean)
I'd be afraid to do meth

What is it actually?Methamphetamine, aka desoxyephedrine, phenylisopropylmethlyamine, alpha-methyl-phenyl-ethyl-methylamine(bold spells amphetamine, where the name comes from, methly in italic is where the meth part comes from) is a CNS stimulant. It releases the neurotransmitters norephinephrine(noradrenaline), dopamine and serotonin, as opposed to blocking their re-uptake into storage like cocaine or methylphenidate(Ritalin). It's approved by the FDA under the brand name Desoxyn for ADHD and obesity for ages 6+. Also used off-label for narcolepsy, severe major depression, epilepsy, fatigue and palliative care. dose is 5-25mg(25mg is about the size of a snuff spoon bump) a day split into 2-3 doses. A line or a bowl is often 50-100mg, for the hardcore tweekers up to 400mg! As you can see most meth enthusiasts are taking massive overdoses! Hence it's bad reputation. Not that it's like opiates where it'd kill you where an overdose untreated means death. It might feel like you're going to die, but you're more likely to end up in the psych ward than the morgue.

It's not like an intoxicating high. At first one might feel more sober than normal. Completely overpowers weed and even alcohol to an extent, though both take the edge off. Therapeutic doses just feel like very strong cups of coffee without the jitteryness, with improved alertness and wakefulness. Higher doses give a sense of well-being, energy, happiness, and excitement. It'll wake your ass up no matter what. Fells strongest for 4-6 hours though effects can last for up to 12-16 hours.

It's ability to wake you up is the bad part. It causes insomnia. Unless it's done before 4:00PM do not expect to get any sleep at night. Unfortunately you'd find yourself up all night. It's morning, and you have to go to work or school, but now it's wearing off. Fuck, better take more right? More is taken throught the day, but you can't sleep for another night.

After 48hr without sleep shit starts getting weird, the max that's safe IMO. After 72 or more hours you start seeing what's called "the shadow people". Nobody knows who they are, what they want or where they're from(some say parallel universes, or you're just going crazy), but they turn up when on an upper mission longer than 2 days or after massive doses of stimulants like coke, meth or MDPV(worst). Not as scary as they sound, but a temporary psychosis has set in. This is what gives meth a bad reputation.

[lutraphile]

I did a ton of drugs- mostly prescription- in high school. Eventually enough that people (including my family) noticed for various reasons, and I cut back a lot.

I'm much less infatuated with them now, I suppose, though I don't judge those who use them regularly and still use milder intoxicating substances regularly. It's nice, until one's removal from society becomes so complete you can't relate to people in general and have no desire to.

As for OP, a former high school sports teammate died from an Ecstasy overdose (I know, right? Almost unheard of) and I've been afraid of it since. But I did do it exactly once and really enjoyed it. Alone, because I have always been a bit of a loner, but while talking to people on the phone. I watched the moon for 2 solid hours and it was wonderful. I don't know if I'd say I recommend it or not, but I can't deny I enjoyed my one experience.

[Os Cangaceiros]

Meth scene started way back. Soldiers stationed in Japan(where it was invented) and Korea used it when the Japanese pharmaceutical companies dumped the war surplus onto the market, on top of the amphetamine the US military already gave out. Then back in the US, a lot of workplaces used to have the company doctor give amphetamines for shit like hangovers! Doctors even actually prescribed Methadrine ampoules! Why anyone would need to inject meth at home instead of a hospital for anything other than extremely rare conditions, I don't know.

I meant crystal meth, not meth generally speaking. Which as far as I know only gained popularity in the 80s...

My parents remember the days of "weight loss pills". JFK did meth too. Some political historians even think that it contributed to some of his more brash decision making in regards to the USSR and Cuba.

[A Revolutionary Tool]

I snorted "molly" a couple weeks back, it was an amazing high, didn't feel mellow at all though. Just hung out, played some mortal kombat and stayed awake drinking (couldn't feel the drink so i just kept taking shots, it was weird i thought) until about 9 in the morning.

I'd much rather take a pill next time, it burnt the side of my face and the drip was long, only ever snorted anything once before.

[The Feral Underclass]

I'm feel like I'm too old to be doing party drugs nowadays, especially since my partying has subsided considerably. I've developed a taste for prescription drugs now. Tramadol is my new fave, but codeine or diazepam are also pretty awesome.

[John Nada]

Actually now that I think about it there is a meth scene in the Czech Republic, Greece(even called glass too like the US), Russia and to a lesser extent Germany
I meant crystal meth, not meth generally speaking. Which as far as I know only gained popularity in the 80s...Prescription meth back then(and today) was D-meth(same as glass), both in the US and Japan. D-meth is what's called an isomer. D- is short for dextro, meaning right in Latin, because the molecule faces righward, Levo-meth is left, now sold otc as Vicks Nasal Inhaler because it mostly works outside the brain and has more of an adrenaline effect that's good for clearing sinuses(best on the market IMO).

Racemic 50/50 mixture of both types meth is that old not as crystalline biker meth called P2P dope. All forms still make crystals, but because all the molecules are facing the same way D-meth makes much larger pretty crystals. Even though P2P dope is weaker and doesn't make nice large crystals like D-meth, many think that this mixture gives a better high than either one alone and it can also be smoked. Smoking meth actually started in Hawaii back in the 60's, perhaps even earilier in Japan.

Also Dexedrine is dextroamphetamine sulfate, smooth as fuck, Benzedrine was racemic amp, and Adderall is a mixture of racemic amphetamine sulfate, dexroamphetamine sulfate, racemic amphetamine aspartate, and dextroamphetamine saccarate. Sadly none of these forms are good to smoke.

Adderall was based on an old drug Obetrol, apparently Andy Warhol loved it but wasn't as populare as Dexedrine, Desoxyn. A teach noticed that Ritalin was getting real popular with his students, so he bought the patent, renamed it Adderall and sold it for ADHD instead of obesity(by the 90's using uppers for weight loss fell out of favor due to the Fen-Phen scandal of permanently fucking up people's hearts). A bit more jittery than dex and not as good, but it was what's called an irrational mixture made only for the patent. Taste better though.

What changed the switch to d-meth was the banning of P2P. At the same time "White Crosses" start getting sold at truck stops. Real white crosses were bootleg meth(sometimes amphetamine) pills from Mexico that were cheap as fuck. The new legal ones had ephedrine, which gives a very shitty feeling but will wake you up, clears sinus and stops asthma attacks. In most states you can buy limited amouts without a prescription if you ask the pharmacist. Supply of ephedrine shot up in the 80's to 90's due to the market "reforms" in China and east Germany, which were major producers. Unfortunately for the pigs, this can be converted into the more potent and crystalline d-meth(isn't too bad pure though) even easier than P2P.
My parents remember the days of "weight loss pills". JFK did meth too. Some political historians even think that it contributed to some of his more brash decision making in regards to the USSR and Cuba.And he was a slammer too. Told his brother(who wanted to make it illegal) he didn't give a damn if it was horse piss, it made him feel good.:lol: I'd hate to know what the fuck his generals were on.

Knew someone who wanted to learn Spanish in collegd, so the doctor gave them Dexamyl, which was basically as speedball of dextroamphetamine and the strong sedative amobarbital. Became fluent in 3 months. They had others similar to this(Desbutal was meth and pentobarbital, Biphetamine-T ER-Adderall basically but said to be better with mixed with Quaalude)! I swear the phramcetical companies were just making this shit to get high.
I'm feel like I'm too old to be doing party drugs nowadays, especially since my partying has subsided considerably. I've developed a taste for prescription drugs now. Tramadol is my new fave, but codeine or diazepam are also pretty awesome.You are getting old.:lol: But as of late I'm stuck on benzos so I can't talk shit.

Do they still have codeine and opium tinctures behind the counter without a prescription in the UK? A friend took a vacation there and was surprised that they could just buy that shit. Technically a lot of states in the US have behind the counter codeine syrup but the pharmacies usually don't have it or refuse to sell it.

[Os Cangaceiros]

Crystal meth as I remember only started to gain popularity once the trafficking networks spread outwards from the west coast into the Midwest and eastern USA, spurred on by the 1% motorcycle clubs and long-haul truckers. The media only really started picking up on it in the 1990's, though. That's the narrative I remember from the book "Methland", anyway. But I read that book a while ago and I don't remember much from it. It's a pretty interesting drug.

I'm not sure where most of the meth around these parts comes from. I think most of it is "home synthesized" but I'm sure some of it gets here from Mexico too. The trade is controlled by the local Hells Angels chapter, one of the few drug trades I know of locally that's controlled by one criminal organization.

[John Nada]

The bourgeois media's always got to find a boogieperson.:unsure:

From what I heard, there was crystal around back in the 60's. Meth pills were viewed as safer and were more popular, kind of like Vicodin. Speeders as they were called, mostly took it as a liquid IV, though the penalties for this were much worse. You could get crystal, wasn't snorted till coke made putting shit up your nose cool in the 70's. But few knew how to smoke it till the late 80's-early 90's in mainland US. It got overshadowed(no pun intended:lol:) by freebase in the 80's, simultaneously with P2P ban.

Right now it's mostly P2P-dope from Mexico. They cracked down on (pseudo)ephedrine, which suck because both are way better for asthma and stuffy noses than that replacements forced on everyone. Harder to get shit for a cold than a fucking gun!

So now the big time cooks switched back to that good old biker dope. So much it's not even labs and more like a pharmaceutical factories. It can be okay. D-meth, that pretty shard shit, is better though, which reminds me more of old school Dexedrine but "cleaner". That P2P dope last longer though and has more of a body high but only feels 50% as strong.

There's this "sleeper dope" that strangely makes one tired. Rumor is it's cut with heroin, but it doesn't have that nasty bitter morphine taste and doesn't feel good, so I'm certain that's bullshit and it's some weird impurity.

And there this annoy habit of mexi-meth being cut with MSM(shit for aching joints). It makes big crystals trapped inside the meth. It's harmless, yet has no effect and dilutes the smoke. Telltale sign of MSM is part of it will melt long before the real meth due to the low boiling point, and the smoke from the hit breaths out as a ghost hit. It can be careful boiled off, but will likely leave you sad for how little is left.:sad:

Both the "sleeper" impurity and MSM can be washed out with acetone dried over Epsom salt(first dried out in an oven). But those sneaky bastards found a new cut that is impossible to remove.:mad: You put the mixture of impure P2P-dope, sleepy impurites, uncooked precursors, MSM, and that new cut, shit just sucks now. Can't go back to it knowing what real d-meth is supposed to be(haven't see nearly pharm-grade in years). Same with damn near everything but weed(yay!) and heroin(boo!).

[IrishAnarchist]

Ecstasy is good, makes you happy and LOVING everyone lol even people youv only just met lol :wub: :wub: :wub: and ye tend to get very philosophical lol MDNA is also good its just a version of very powerful ecstasy, id advice if your going to try either start of with an E and see how it goes :lol: :lol: :lol: But come downs are not nice, it is the major down side to both drugs.