The GOP

[Fire]

I often feel like the GOP is this overtly evil party that effectively creates a distraction to push people who might otherwise support socialist causes into the loving arms of Democrats, a less obviously evil party that mostly supports the same shit, if only to stop the GOP while pushing a neo-liberal agenda.

But god damn are the GOP good at being distracting. These are just stories from the last week. Mike Huckabee who is basically a more glib than usual, folksy sort of fascist , is defending Josh Duggar, recently outed as child molestor, scolding his critics as only being mad about him being an anti-gay evangelical, implying that being gay is worse than being a child abuser.

The Kansas GOP has made it so people on public assistance can only withdraw $25 a day from an ATM and Arizona's GOP is throwing thousands of kids of food stamps. And they are not only good at demonizing poor people, they get poor people to agree with them, not being aware that they are on the benefits the GOP wants to cut.

Its so frustrating that we have only two choices in voting, one of them is an imperialist, pro-war, anti-poor, party of wall street and the other one is the Republicans. Voting is such a lie and nothing ever got accomplished by voting for democrats, even with people voting for democrats this shit still happens.

[willowtooth]

hey the GOP shot down the recent "stone the gays" amendment so i guess their not pure evil lol ;)

[JayBro47]

They represent Wall-Street. You see with Globalization, N.A.F.T.A. in the 1990's, Full-On Downsizing, Neo-Liberalism, Cheap Labor/Immigration (which leads to a negative type of multiculturalism) and Out-Sourcing where we don't "make things in America" like we used to, they aren't really "populists" for the White Working and Middle Class, while of course the racism against People-Of-Color still exists. A lot different then Eisenhower's America or even Reagan's America in terms of how the Middle and Working Class is. You also saw this post-Cold War "Neocon"/Establishment Policy which a lot of ex-Cold Warriors, Establishment Conservatives and Libertarians disagree with. That's where the Paleocons come in. So you have these Globalist-"Cosmopolitans" (they aren't Internationalists of the actually Progressive Type ) they are Free-Traders and Interventionists.

The Huckabees and so on, they appeal to the White Working-and-Middle Class in Middle America that feel disgusted by the "State of the Nation" but are also less powerful then they were before Neo-Liberalism of the 1990's due to the policy of the Oligarchs. So we saw with this recent "Indiana Gay Pizza Wedding" thing, a White Middle Class Guy being attacked by the liberal culture-warriors, which was completely unacceptable for people who would support "Occupy Wall Street!" No class-analysis! There should have been an understanding of where the White Working Class and White Middle Class is NOW

[John Nada]

The Kansas GOP has made it so people on public assistance can only withdraw $25 a day from an ATM and Arizona's GOP is throwing thousands of kids of food stamps. And they are not only good at demonizing poor people, they get poor people to agree with them, not being aware that they are on the benefits the GOP wants to cut.It's fucking bullshit, although I'd argue the American proletariat does not, for the most part, vote Republican. They mostly don't vote at all. I'd say Republicans get the support of the petty-bourgeoisie and labor aristocracy.

The Republicans play bad cop and make things so bad that the Democrats look better. Then the Democrats play good cop and and continue to do the same shit and more. The electorate gets disillusioned and the Republicans win. The repeats as a tragic farce every election.
Its so frustrating that we have only two choices in voting, one of them is an imperialist, pro-war, anti-poor, party of wall street and the other one is the Republicans. Voting is such a lie and nothing ever got accomplished by voting for democrats, even with people voting for democrats this shit still happens.The differ mostly in tempo, though there are difference. In fact, the Democrat-Republican Party isn't the only choice. One can still not vote for either, though that's equally ineffective. An alternate needs to arise, though.
They represent Wall-Street. You see with Globalization, N.A.F.T.A. in the 1990's, Full-On Downsizing, Neo-Liberalism, Cheap Labor/Immigration (which leads to a negative type of multiculturalism) and Out-Sourcing where we don't "make things in America" like we used to, they aren't really "populists" for the White Working and Middle Class, while of course the racism against People-Of-Color still exists.What's a "negative type of multiculturalism"? Is the kind that has brown people, as opposed to the "right" kind that's white?
A lot different then Eisenhower's America or even Reagan's America in terms of how the Middle and Working Class is.Back when women, LGBTQ and them colored folks knew their place, right?:rolleyes: That golden age when white American males reaped the benefits of the rest of the world's destruction due to WWII.
You also saw this post-Cold War "Neocon"/Establishment Policy which a lot of ex-Cold Warriors, Establishment Conservatives and Libertarians disagree with. That's where the Paleocons come in. So you have these Globalist-"Cosmopolitans" (they aren't Internationalists of the actually Progressive Type ) they are Free-Traders and Interventionists.Who are these Jews "Globalist-Comopolitans"?:glare:
The Huckabees and so on, they appeal to the White Working-and-Middle Class in Middle America that feel disgusted by the "State of the Nation" but are also less powerful then they were before Neo-Liberalism of the 1990's due to the policy of the Oligarchs. So we saw with this recent "Indiana Gay Pizza Wedding" thing, a White Middle Class Guy being attacked by the liberal culture-warriors, which was completely unacceptable for people who would support "Occupy Wall Street!" No class-analysis! There should have been an understanding of where the White Working Class and White Middle Class is NOWWhy the fuck should any on here give a fuck about a petty-bourgeois homophobe's feelings? Why should a leftist give a fuck about white American "working class" labor aristocrats and white American "middle class" petty-bourgeoisie? "Class analyses" says they're unreliable and often against the "White" proletariat and the rest of the oppressed masses. Fuck them, and fuck your racists bullshit too!

[JayBro47]

What's a "negative type of multiculturalism"? Is the kind that has brown people, as opposed to the "right" kind that's white?

Obviously Latinos have a right to the land Anglos settled-on. I am not saying it is any more right for there to be Whites then for there to be Latinos! By bad I mean the wages being driven lower and and a type of exploitation and this massive shift for ethnic tension/division.

Back when women, LGBTQ and them colored folks knew their place, right? That golden age when white American males reaped the benefits of the rest of the world's destruction due to WWII.

Are you criticizing the Smashing of Japanese and German Fascism in WWII? It opened the way for positives obviously. For Europe too!

Who are these Jews "Globalist-Comopolitans"?

Some are Jewish, they are Technocrats and Think Tankers as well as Bankers. They are not rooted to the land. No, I am not pining for Ye Olde Feudalism. http://www.wsj.com/articles/SB10001424052702304367204579268301043949952

Why the fuck should any on here give a fuck about a petty-bourgeois homophobe's feelings? Why should a leftist give a fuck about white American "working class" labor aristocrats and white American "middle class" petty-bourgeoisie? "Class analyses" says they're unreliable and often against the "White" proletariat and the rest of the oppressed masses. Fuck them, and fuck your racists bullshit too!

The point of my comment was they are not Labor Aristocrats as seen by NAFTA and Neo-Liberalism of the 1990's and outsourcing!

Whats funny is many of the people who jumped down his throats were not all proles necessarily. They were urban cosmopolitans, simple-liberals and so on.

[John Nada]

Obviously Latinos have a right to the land Anglos settled-on. I am not saying it is any more right for there to be Whites then for there to be Latinos! By bad I mean the wages being driven lower and and a type of exploitation and this massive shift for ethnic tension/division.There's been racism and xenophobia in the US since day 1. Supporting immigration laws is reactionary. Wages are driven down by the bourgeoisie, not immigrants.
Are you criticizing the Smashing of Japanese and German Fascism in WWII? It opened the way for positives obviously. For Europe too!No, the US did have the advantage of not being carpet bombed and gassed by the fascists. It's a fact. It also killed millions and destroyed many nations'(not just in Europe) infrastructures. The US bourgeoisie objectively profited off the world's pain. Post-war aid helped keep direct colonialism alive.
Some are Jewish, they are Technocrats and Think Tankers as well as Bankers. They are not rooted to the land. No, I am not pining for Ye Olde Feudalism.I think you're pining for something reactionary. Only ones rooted in the land are the Native Americans, and they don't control shit in the US. "Rootless Cosmopolitans" is a euphanism for Jews. Revolutionary leftist shouldn't give a fuck about loyalty to an imperialist nation anyway. Technocrats and think tanks are but tools of the bourgeoisie. Bankers are just one section of the bourgeoisie. They're as American as apple pie. That doesn't mean shit that they're "rooted" exploiters.
The point of my comment was they are not Labor Aristocrats as seen by NAFTA and Neo-Liberalism of the 1990's and outsourcing!
We are now without a ruling class, unless one includes the entity that has come to be known as the meritocracy:laugh: White people assimilated into WASP culture with a few minorities=FULL COMMUNISM.:lol:
What our new meritocrats have failed to evince—and what the older WASP generation prided itself on—is character and the ability to put the well-being of the nation before their own.Ah, the glorious American past. Jim Crow, Homophobic laws and imperialist massacres abroad.:laugh: That piece is a fucking joke.

Imperialism moved on to exploit a weaker proletariat in the third-world. That the American petty-bourgeoisie also lost out to the haste-bourgeoisie shows they're a class destined for ruin. More exploitation of the American proletariat by "their own" capitalist is not the answer.
Whats funny is many of the people who jumped down his throats were not all proles necessarily. They were urban cosmopolitans, simple-liberals and so on.Fuck you! It's like defending a restaurant that wants to be racially segregated. That attention-seeking homophobe could go bankrupt for all I care. That "cosmopolitans"(wonder what that is:confused: ) opposed this asshole just shows they're on the right side in this instant.

[JayBro47]

There's been racism and xenophobia in the US since day 1. Supporting immigration laws is reactionary. Wages are driven down by the bourgeoisie, not immigrants.


Mass immigration is exploited by the Oligarchs. It's their fault of course.


No, the US did have the advantage of not being carpet bombed and gassed by the fascists. It's a fact. It also killed millions and destroyed many nations'(not just in Europe) infrastructures. The US bourgeoisie objectively profited off the world's pain. Post-war aid helped keep direct colonialism alive.


You mean the Marshall Plan on the one end and you had the Cominform and Comecom of the Soviets on the other end. No, your analysis is incorrect in some ways. It wasn't just Geopolitics, etc. The Spectre of the American Revolution, the Emancipation Proclamation, FDR's 4 Freedoms and The Declaration of Independence, the French Revolution and the October Revolution all mixed beautifully. Ho Chi Minh himself in 1945 for example the Declaration was based on the American Declaration of Independence. You're not seeing the positive Bourgeois-Democratic Elements as opposed to Fascism. The War definitely strengthened Anti-Colonialism in many ways, although not in all ways. Then there was the Cold War. This is either a Tankie-Analysis taken to it's extreme, an Ultra-Leftist Analysis. It totally removes any of the positive spirit of World War 2. Pretty angering really.

Stalin 1946: "This does not mean, of course, that the Second World War was a copy of the first. On the contrary, the Second world differed substantially in character from the first. It must be borne in mind that before attacking the Allied countries the major fascist states -- Germany, Japan and Italy -- destroyed the last remanats of bourgeois-democratic liberties at home and established there a cruel terroristic regime, trampled upon the principle of the sovereignty and free development of small countries, proclaimed as their own the policy of seizing foreign territory, and shouted from the housetops that they were aiming at world domination and the spreading of the fascist regime all over the world; and by seizing Czechoslovakia and the central regions of China, the Axis Powers showed that they were ready to carry out their threat to enslave all the freedom-loving peoples. In new of this, the Second World War against the Axis Powers, unlike the First World War, assumed from the very outset the character of an anti-fascist war, a war of liberation, one of the tasks of which was to restore democraticliberties. The entry of the Soviet Union into the war against the Axis Powers could only augment -- and really did augment -- the anti-fascist and liberating character of the Second World War.

It was on this basis that the anti-fascist coalition of the Soviet Union, the United States of America, Great Britain and other freedom-loving countries came into being and later played the decisive role in defeating the armed forces of the Axis Powers."

The Japanese were Fash-Scum, America needed to Nuke em unless you would want 1,000,000 Dead USA soldiers in land invasion. The Japs were enemies of the Chinese Guerrillas, of the Koreans and of Filipinos. We are not talking about what would happen LATER! They were called out for their Imperial-Feudalist Emperor Worship during the War, and given a Bourgeois-Democratic-Liberties Constitution after the War.
All kinds of elements rallied around the War. Silly comment from you.


I think you're pining for something reactionary. Only ones rooted in the land are the Native Americans, and they don't control shit in the US. "Rootless Cosmopolitans" is a euphanism for Jews. Revolutionary leftist shouldn't give a fuck about loyalty to an imperialist nation anyway. Technocrats and think tanks are but tools of the bourgeoisie. Bankers are just one section of the bourgeoisie. They're as American as apple pie. That doesn't mean shit that they're "rooted" exploiters.


If you mean that WASPS and the Anglo-Settlers of this country are less rooted/not native like the American-Indians are, fine; but if you don't find it significant that our Ruling Class/"Aristocracy"/The Man/The Establishment which founded this country (good or bad) has basically disappeared compared to what it was and you find this "as American as Apple Pie" I disagree there. Also, by "rooted" I also mean Globalization of the Post-Cold War Decade. These guys with NAFTA, etc. Of course Capitalism itself and Mercantilism were less rooted than Feudalism and Land-Based Society. And there is a Jewish Element too I suppose. (I have Jewish heritage, as did the writer of the article.) Of course this is not antisemitic conspiracism which is mysticism that holds all that is bad to come from the Jews and that there is a conspiracy going back centuries, nope. I'm referring to the last few decades. Of course Nazism is most evil thing ever.


White people assimilated into WASP culture with a few minorities=FULL COMMUNISM.

You mean the situation from the 1950's forward and Middle America correct? Well, we are past the Cold War Era and the Neo-Liberalism of the 1990's-2000's is a stage that we are still connected to.

[JayBro47]

Ah, the glorious American past. Jim Crow, Homophobic laws and imperialist massacres abroad. That piece is a fucking joke.

Imperialism moved on to exploit a weaker proletariat in the third-world. That the American petty-bourgeoisie also lost out to the haste-bourgeoisie shows they're a class destined for ruin. More exploitation of the American proletariat by "their own" capitalist is not the answer.

First of all, to deny in American History there no elements of progress among very bad things is incorrect. We see industrialization in a positive light, but not the capitalism and land-stealing it was chained to. We see the Trust-Busting happening while also seeing the Robber Barons. So we see progressive elements and non-progressive elements. Not to mention the Progressiveness of 1776, opening up the gains of the Bourgeois-Democratic Stage and Parliamentarianism. The point is that Ruling Class is basically gone as a power now, the WASP one. You might even say this was "phony" or what not, but we had Civil Rights Laws in 1965 obviously. Women's Suffrage movement in late 1800's. So understand that.

[Comrade Jacob]

Thank fuck JayBro47 is banned. Annoying prick. GOP=shit. Even Liberals know that.