Justify your existance!

[ÑóẊîöʼn]

I'm not talking about simply killing you here; if you can't justify your existance, then you will be erased from the universe completely: you will never have been born, you no longer exist in the present, and you won't exist in the future. In short, the universe will forget you ever existed.

How to justify yourself: prove to me that you have done/are doing/will do something big for humans, good or bad.

I know I can't justify my own existance, but what about you?

[RedAnarchist]

:blink:

Neither can i.

Thats an interesting thought Noxion

[Ian]

I can't justify it. Nor do I care to.

[RedAnarchist]

Maybe it doesnt have to be justified.

How do you define justified in this context?

Who are you going to convince that your existence is justified? "god"?

[ÑóẊîöʼn]

You justify yourself by doing something to keep humanity non-complacent; The Jewish Holocaust was a sharp wake-up call and the invention of the Wheel made our world move faster.

To be complacent is not to change, to not change is to stagnate, to stagnate is to die out.

[Wenty]

We are thrown into this world, we did not ask to be born so we have to take full responsibilty for our actions and who we are as people, who we decide to be. For the existentalist your life can only be justified this way.

[Solace]

There's this theory that says if individuals find the menaing of their existance, then there is no point to live anymore.

[shakermaker]

Originally posted by [email protected] 11 2004, 06:51 PM
There's this theory that says if individuals find the menaing of their existance, then there is no point to live anymore.
what's the point to live, anyway?

[M.L]

what's the point to live, anyway?
To make the world a juste place to live on for all the people!!(well, almost everyone)

[iloveatomickitten]

There is not point to living - its a habit.

[mia wallace]

life is nice...

i can't justify my existance because some things i'm planning to do ( - i haven't done them yet) and i can't justify sth that i haven't excually done... it is because i don't know how big or important they'll be for hunams.
...at least i think so. :huh:

[honest intellectual]

Originally posted by [email protected] 11 2004, 10:05 AM
How to justify yourself: prove to me that you have done/are doing/will do something big for humans, good or bad.
In that statement you implicitly recognise the sanctity of human life. If something is good for humans, you say, then it's justified. So my life is automatically justified, because I am a human.


life is nice...
Exactly! Did anyone ever consider that Mick Jagger may have uncovered the secret of life: "It's only rock 'n' roll, but I like it." ?

[Individual]

Justification: Knowledge

Do not try and justify your life to the world. Justify your life for yourself.

[mia wallace]

my new justification:
to have fun! :D

the most important thing is live the life and don't let the life live you meaning - don't worry about little things and live for today and now cause you don't know even will there be a tommorow.

[Lardlad95]

Justification: Without me the universe would not be the same. I add something to the universe that no one else can, which is my own particular way of freeing people from samsara.

[the SovieT]

Momma sees dada..

Dada likes Momma..

Momma likes Dada..

Momma and Dada fuck...

Momma and Dada get married..

Momma and Dada fuck like rabbits

One year latter litle SovieT is born...


there i justified my existance...

I am because Momma and Dada wanted me to be born...

[Palmares]

Justification? No thanks. Any justification always changes anyway.

The way I see it, if the world is the same if you didn't exist, either it isn't your fault that the world is as it is (that is, if it is 'bad' as such), or alternatively it means despite your efforts, you couldn't make a difference.

Bugger eh?

Okay, let me attempt a futile 'justification'.

I contribute something different, unique in every (well, most) ways. I am myself. The good 'ol cache 22.

I'm depressed. :(

[Individual]

The way I see it, if the world is the same if you didn't exist, either it isn't your fault that the world is as it is (that is, if it is 'bad' as such), or alternatively it means despite your efforts, you couldn't make a difference.

This is why the world is the way it is. Not that you did everything. But that people like you don't do anything.

[New Tolerance]

Originally posted by [email protected] 11 2004, 10:05 AM
I'm not talking about simply killing you here; if you can't justify your existance, then you will be erased from the universe completely: you will never have been born, you no longer exist in the present, and you won't exist in the future. In short, the universe will forget you ever existed.

How to justify yourself: prove to me that you have done/are doing/will do something big for humans, good or bad.

I know I can't justify my own existance, but what about you?
Another interesting question arises.

How do you justify killing me simply because I can not justify myself.

You justify the act of erasing me if I can't provide my own justification first.

[CorporationsRule]

"I'm not talking about simply killing you here; if you can't justify your existance, then you will be erased from the universe completely."

No, I won't be.

[Individual]

Woohh! Back up a minute.. Off topic, however CorporationsRule.

You do realize what the views of this forum are? And you are prepared to try and make the same justifications of capitalism that we have all heard and can prove yourself an idiot for?

Assuming you are prepared, then feel free to sound like an self-centered idiot.

[Solace]

In short, the universe will forget you ever existed.

Sooner or later, that will happen. One individual cannot leave a permanant marks, but the people can.


How to justify yourself

I don't live. I exist.

I can't justify my existance, but I can justify what I make out of it.

I think change is a long process. Every time you add a brick, until you step back a little and realize that you got a wall there. I know that most things are beyong my reach. But I can affect some people, to thereby "enlarge" the change.

So, basically, I would say this. I try to make the world a little better at my death than at my birth.

If that makes any sense... *scratches head*

[Rasta Sapian]

holy cow, its tuff making your way through the herd sometimes :P

Life is a gift, enjoy it, observe it, love it, live for the moment!

Live life to the edge..........just don't fall off :D

Justified: Seeing the sun rise again! Thats all the proof I need! :)

peace yall

[ÑóẊîöʼn]

How do you justify killing me simply because I can not justify myself.

You justify the act of erasing me if I can't provide my own justification first.

Because then you can be removed and nothing will change on the large scale for humanity.

spring-cleaning the universe of chaff.

[New Tolerance]

Because then you can be removed and nothing will change on the large scale for humanity.

spring-cleaning the universe of chaff.

Since nothing much is going to change anyways, why do you even bother using the energy to remove me?

[Pedro Alonso Lopez]

Originally posted by Rasta [email protected] 12 2004, 10:01 AM


Justified: Seeing the sun rise again! Thats all the proof I need! :)


Then you dont understand the whole concept of philosophy do you?

[Stapler]

Because I want to exist, because I need to exist. Isn't that justification enough?

[bubbrubb]

i cant and probably wont evr be able to

hopefully just maybe i can do something constructive to be remembered by

[CorporationsRule]

Originally posted by [email protected] 12 2004, 04:03 AM
Woohh! Back up a minute.. Off topic, however CorporationsRule.

You do realize what the views of this forum are? And you are prepared to try and make the same justifications of capitalism that we have all heard and can prove yourself an idiot for?

Assuming you are prepared, then feel free to sound like an self-centered idiot.
Um...what?

He said I'd be erased if I didn't justify myself. I just pointed out that that's not true.

How is that off topic?

[Tiki Man]

I am justified by luck, such as a lottery winner is justified to their winnings. Firstly, we start out at the evolution of life, that was a lucky break. Then we follow evolution, generations of natural selection, and it leads to today's modern survivors. Looking at only a short time frame of life, I was lucky to have my parents meeting. I was lucky to have this unique combination of genetic material. I suppose my sperm that helped my egg grow was the fastest of them all, or lucky to be one of the first into the tubes. That alone is luck, especially when you consider I was constructed at the perfect time.

On the long term, the chances of my life being created was one in the stars across the universe. The chances of my life happening the way it did is a grain from the desert. The exact time and exact location and actions that caused me are like winning the lottery. Life is the jackpot. Now that I am alive, you can not deprive me of my winnings. You can tax it, but not take it I suppose.

Either that, or I am justified to exist because I support everything that isn't negative, and I have a fairly unique screen name.

[Individual]

CorporationsRule.

I apologize. It was nothing you said, only an incorrect assumption I had taken of you. I figured you were another capitalist judging by your name. Reading some of your other posts has led me to believe otherwise. Though off the topic of existance. CR, what are your political views?

[CorporationsRule]

I believe in people.

[Stapler]

Originally posted by [email protected] 13 2004, 03:14 AM
CorporationsRule.

I apologize. It was nothing you said, only an incorrect assumption I had taken of you. I figured you were another capitalist judging by your name. Reading some of your other posts has led me to believe otherwise. Though off the topic of existance. CR, what are your political views?
Damn sarcasm, should be outlawed. It's like my avatar, can't be taken at face value.

[dark fairy]

"why should i exist?"
i shouldn't, i and none of you asked to be born but i will tell you this
start a revolution and then
i was born to be a part of that movement :)

[iloveatomickitten]

c.

[Rasta Sapian]

hey geist are you an angry little person? Watch the sun rise sometime, and maybe this will justify your existance as it justifies mine :)

[Individual]

Yes the sunrise is very beautiful. And is a very good reason for the will to live. However I think the question had to do with what you feel you have contributed, or maybe accomplished in your life. Though, actually, why should one have to contribute to society, when you were forced upon will into this Earth. The sunrise is actually a very good personal reason to justify your own existance.

By the way, the sunset is better. Like a mellifluous, harmonious, exchange with nature. The sunset can bring out the best in you. I swear.

[hazard]

although I am convinced that I exist, thanks to the cartesian model, I have no need or no way to justify it.

[Individual]

You cannot justify your existance Hazard?

Oh, but you claim yourself to be a genius.

Would this not justify ones existance, having an immense amount of intellect?

Oh yeh. I forgot, you are no genius. My apologies, you cannot justify your existance, rambling, ignorant bastards have no meaning.

[Pedro Alonso Lopez]

Originally posted by Rasta [email protected] 18 2004, 04:20 AM
hey geist are you an angry little person? Watch the sun rise sometime, and maybe this will justify your existance as it justifies mine :)
Oh dear God, its a philosophy forum, the whole point of philosophy is to question everything and find out for yourself.

You cannot justify your existence from watching the sunrise unless your an idiot. You may find it aesthetically pleasing, a feeling of worthiness may pass over you etc. but you have not justified your existence at all.

[hazard]

anybody else notice how geist and always question are like the odd couple?

aq:

the thought of justifying my existence is a strange one. most people tend to justify their existence throgh their children, and since I have none and tend to agree with this sort of justification, I am virtually unable to.

naturally I could string together a couple hundred words and sell it as some form of logical justification, and it would be aur tight too, but whats the point? I like the common peoples way of justifying their existence. no need for HAZARD, SUPER GENIUS to make you all look stupid yet again.

[pedro san pedro]

[QUOTE]Geist Posted on Feb 20 2004, 01:14 AM
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QUOTE (Rasta Sapian @ Feb 18 2004, 04:20 AM)
hey geist are you an angry little person? Watch the sun rise sometime, and maybe this will justify your existance as it justifies mine

Oh dear God, its a philosophy forum, the whole point of philosophy is to question everything and find out for yourself.

You cannot justify your existence from watching the sunrise unless your an idiot. You may find it aesthetically pleasing, a feeling of worthiness may pass over you etc. but you have not justified your existence at all. [QUOTE]

is it not possible to justify ones existence by observing?

observing something changes it, as most experimentors know

[cubist]

justify my existance,

to who? of what pretense? and why? really why? what use is justifying you own existance when you can't justify you country eradicating other people in country we wage fruadulant war upon




if you can justify living to yourself then why not continue to do so! if you help others aswell then great.

[Invader Zim]

Originally posted by [email protected] 11 2004, 10:05 AM
I'm not talking about simply killing you here; if you can't justify your existance, then you will be erased from the universe completely: you will never have been born, you no longer exist in the present, and you won't exist in the future. In short, the universe will forget you ever existed.

How to justify yourself: prove to me that you have done/are doing/will do something big for humans, good or bad.

I know I can't justify my own existance, but what about you?
Fuck off you Red Dwarf Junkey i'm the inquisitor.

[Pedro Alonso Lopez]

Originally posted by [email protected] 20 2004, 04:36 AM
anybody else notice how geist and always question are like the odd couple?



If you think we are one and the same can just check I.P's. I thought you'd know that being a Super Genius and all that.

Oh and thank god for his restriction. We can all post meaningfully again.

[BOZG]

We exist and then most probably we all die. The time is not worth justifying.

[Rasta Sapian]

i think your a group of fag hags, self absorbed with your own functional reality, and too narrow minded to see the world for all its 360 degrees :P

p.s. i am finding this out for myself!

peace yall

[Pedro Alonso Lopez]

I think you are beyond idiocy.

[che's long lost daughter]

I am out for world domination. So, start grovelling :lol:

[revoevo]

I don't think you can justify your life until you have lived it. As none of us have finished our lives it is not possible to jusitfy them. You jusitify your existence by living in a way that has an impact on society. If anything, people should set out in life to jusitfy themselves, make something a little better than how it was when they found it. I agree that most people justify themselves by having children, who then justify themseleves by having children, and so on. And where does that leave anyone...?

[Postteen]

Originally posted by [email protected] 20 2004, 07:34 PM
We exist and then most probably we all die. The time is not worth justifying.
And what if ,when we eventually die begin to exist?How can we be sure that we exist right now?I cannot.NO way.Maybe the "real"life begins after death.(I'm not talking about Heaven and etc).And what is the definition of time? :huh:

[RedAnarchist]

If i cannot justify my existence, how can you erase my existence? There is 18 years of different kinds of evidence that i existed

[Pedro Alonso Lopez]

I love Nietzsche's thought that if one was to cut of one's head would the world still exist.

Also knowledge of another world is about as useful as knowledge of the composition of water is to a drowning sailor.

[BOZG]

And what if ,when we eventually die begin to exist?How can we be sure that we exist right now?I cannot.NO way.Maybe the "real"life begins after death.(I'm not talking about Heaven and etc).And what is the definition of time?

Most people tend to think they exist in the material world...what they sense around them. I'm talking about on that criteria.

[iloveatomickitten]

Originally posted by [email protected] 9 2004, 04:18 PM
If i cannot justify my existence, how can you erase my existence? There is 18 years of different kinds of evidence that i existed.


Simple - die, then from your point of view there's no evidence at all.


To me it seems that people tend to justify their lives either through a sense of moral duty e.g. children, but also through a stubborn refusal to refuse life based on both a social dislike of suicide and the pursuit of victory over adversity.

[Neelie The Great]

I don't know why I exsist, I guess I just popped out of no where

[insurgency03]

I think there must be some reason that I'm alive, that my existince is useful. I nearly died at birth and its a "miracle" that im alive now so i must have some reason or mission in life. Or who knows, maybe its just luck.

[ComradeRed]

Well, only I can prove I exist. I can not prove that any of you exist, this world could be part of my subconcious mind. So, as far as I am concerned only I exist, as soon as some one else proves that they exist, then I will atempt to justify my existance.

[Individual]

as soon as some one else proves that they exist,

Is this proof?

Or how about his?

Maybe this?

Not quite?

Well how about this?

Maybe this:
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No?

Your right, your mind is just crazy. You are making up these words as you read them. You are about to think of the word: word. I told you that you were crazy. You are making all of this up.

[cubist]

aq hhahaha :lol: :lol:

[Pedro Alonso Lopez]

Originally posted by [email protected] 22 2004, 05:49 AM

as soon as some one else proves that they exist,

Is this proof?

Or how about his?

Maybe this?

Not quite?

Well how about this?

Maybe this:
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No?

Your right, your mind is just crazy. You are making up these words as you read them. You are about to think of the word: word. I told you that you were crazy. You are making all of this up.

What are you talking about? Solipsism is a perfectly valid way of viewing the world.

Prove to me he is not making up the world through philosophical reasoning not a list of people posting on a message board.

If it was that easy Id just wave my hand in front of me and say I exist.

Tsskkk.

[Individual]

What are you talking about? Solipsism is a perfectly valid way of viewing the world.
Prove to me he is not making up the world through philosophical reasoning not a list of people posting on a message board.
If it was that easy Id just wave my hand in front of me and say I exist.
Tsskkk.

Geist.

I know what you are talking about. I've actually thought extensively on the subject, and it is actually something that I am also curious of.

I understand exactly what he was saying, and what I just did in no way can prove him wrong. I just couldn't resist. Ha...Ha, funny; joke.

[Pedro Alonso Lopez]

Rite-O.

[God of Imperia]

Justify your existance, that's one of the oldest questions, many consider their view as the view, but this is something personal, I personally think there is no specific reason, not everything has a logical explanation... Just live your life the way you think you should live it and don't bother trying to justify your existence, it there is a goal then you'll find it in time

[Dawood]

I exist, and have survived thus far. That justifies my existance.

[God of Imperia]

No it doesn't, it just says you exist, nothing about why you live.

[Dawood]

I live to succeed better than my opponents, survive, and pass my genetic information to the next generation.
There is no 'reason' to live. We do it, it's a fact, so lets do the best of it, aye? That, in my mind atleast, justifies just about everything.

[dark fairy]

you know it's funny how you can grow in a short amount of time... but all I can tell you is that I still can't justify my existance but i can tell you that im glad to be alive even though i didn't ask to be born, im glad im here... life's a ***** and then you die... so lets try to enjoy the enjoyable and hate what's hateable... :unsure: :) :D :( :unsure: