IRA plot to kill Prince Charles

[Comrade Jacob]

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/ira-plotted-bomb-prince-charles-5699813

Up the RA!

[Sasha]

i'm pretty sure i have found a picture of the sinister IRA commander responsible for planning this operation;
http://www.humanosphere.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/QueenElizabeth.jpg

[Comrade Jacob]

Hopefully not all the dissidents involved where arrested and he can still have his limbs blown off.

[Sasha]

Please do not advocate terrorism on this board, we can do without the attention of the security agencies above your desire to have a keyboardwarrior wank. Verbal warning.

[DOOM]

Wow this is some first class bourg edge-material

[Anglo-Saxon Philistine]

Imagine, they could have killed some old geezer who might end up wearing a metal hat.

Then some other old geezer would end up wearing a metal hat.

Think of the possibilities!

[DOOM]

Seriously I never understood the appeal of the IRA. They're even by natlib-loving-tankie standards not revolutionary at all.

[Mass Grave Aesthetics]

Seriously I never understood the appeal of the IRA. They're even by natlib-loving-tankie standards not revolutionary at all.
Yeah but that applies to the overwhelming majority of organisations natlib- loving- tankies are into.

[Danielle Ni Dhighe]

Yes, let's all clutch our pearls in horror because someone wanted to blow up a Royal.

[Sasha]

not clutching my pearls, i wouldnt have shed a single tear for him if the plan worked, i do though would have had some mayor issues with the scores of civilians who would get hurt by a bunch of nailbombs going off along the route (because as revolutionary leftists we obviously should have nothing but praise for assholes willing to tear shrapnel through little kids for the crime of watching a parade) and the retaliatory blow back against republican workers.
if they had the plan to shoot him in the back of the head or spike his champagne i would still question where the real ira put their priorities and recourses but anyone expressing support for an attack as this is being reported can say high to the bancanon.

[bricolage]

You can't blow up a reptillian relationship

[BIXX]

you can't blow up a reptillian relationship

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[Sasha]

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that looks like the Kach/JDL symbol...

[BIXX]

that looks like the Kach/JDL symbol...
I don't even know what you're talking about, I just downloaded that cause I thought it was humorous.

[BIXX]

Just looked it up. I wonder if this is the anti-reptile wing of the JDL

[Sasha]

pretty sure that according to the tinfoil brigade the JDL is part of the reptilians not the opposition... :lol:

[John Nada]

Seriously I never understood the appeal of the IRA. They're even by natlib-loving-tankie standards not revolutionary at all.Yeah but that applies to the overwhelming majority of organisations natlib- loving- tankies are into.
Citizen Hales had spoken of the relations between England and Ireland as if they were of the most idyllic nature, something like those between England and France at the time of the Crimean war, when the ruling classes of the two countries never tired of praising each other, and everything breathed the most complete harmony. But the case was quite different. There was the fact of seven centuries of English Conquest and oppression of Ireland, and so long as that oppression existed, it was an insult to Irish working men to ask them to submit to a British Federal Council. The position of Ireland with regard to England was not that of an equal, it was that of Poland with regard to Russia. What would be said if this Council called upon Polish sections to acknowledge the supremacy of a Russian Federal Council in Petersburg, or upon Prussian Polish, North Schleswig, and Alsatian sections to submit to a Federal Council in Berlin? Yet what it was asked to do with regard to Irish sections was substantially the same thing. If members of a conquering nation called upon the nation they had conquered and continued to hold down to forget their specific nationality and position, to “sink national differences” and so forth, that was not Internationalism, it was nothing else but preaching to them submission to the yoke, and attempting to justify and to perpetuate the dominion of the conqueror under the cloak of Internationalism. It was sanctioning the belief, only too common among the English working men, [b]that they were superior beings compared to the Irish, and as much an aristocracy as the mean whites of the Slave States considered themselves to be with regard to the Negroes. https://www.marxists.org/history/international/iwma/documents/1872/irish-section.htm An independent Ireland has long been the demand of socialists. Very few movements in the world at that time had the exact same views of Marx, Engels or even Bakunin(who also supported national liberation struggles, probably more than Marx). Even more true outside of Europe.

The Leninist support for national liberation comes from the theory that so long as that movements not outright reactionary, that's one less base for imperialist nations to operate in.
not clutching my pearls, i wouldnt have shed a single tear for him if the plan worked, i do though would have had some mayor issues with the scores of civilians who would get hurt by a bunch of nailbombs going off along the route (because as revolutionary leftists we obviously should have nothing but praise for assholes willing to tear shrapnel through little kids for the crime of watching a parade) and the retaliatory blow back against republican workers. if they had the plan to shoot him in the back of the head or spike his champagne i would still question where the real ira put their priorities and recourses but anyone expressing support for an attack as this is being reported can say high to the bancanon.There hasn't even been a trial yet. This "plot" could be bullshit made up to impress their imperial masters. With the Conservatives winning in England, the SNP(separatists) winning big in Scotland, and the water protests in Ireland, this is a good distractions.

If there's a crowd around Prince Charles in Ireland, in all likelihood they would be protesters sympathetic to the IRA. An attack near the crowd of protesters would just be crowd control for the Prince.

[Sasha]

Not disputing that, hence my joke about the queen being behind it as post 2 in this thread, but obviously some people in this thread are willing to praise/wank over the plot as its presented in the tabloids...

[Invader Zim]

I think the problems with this kind of action have been perfectly well outlined by Sasha, though I would add that the other danger is the potential for a spiral back to the sectarian violence of the Troubles. I suppose that many here probably are not old enough to remember that time or, like Danielle, apparently in the US, were somewhat removed from it all. It wasn't a very pleasant time to like in Britain and doubtless a far worse time to live in Ireland.

[Danielle Ni Dhighe]

not clutching my pearls...shrapnel through little kids for the crime of watching a parade
Yes, you are, and pulling the "won't someone think of the children" logical fallacy now, too.

And, no, I don't support the still active IRAs or the armed struggle; I'm of the opinion that the armed struggle failed, and the only way forward is a regroupment oriented to radical mass political struggle.

[Os Cangaceiros]

Whatever you think of the (Provisional) IRA, their bombing campaigns back in the day were pretty impressive and sophisticated, technically-speaking, although there were some sloppy firebombings in there too. The Real IRA are just embarrassing, though, to the point where they're planting nail bombs of the kind you'd expect a white power skinhead to plant :rolleyes: That is if you take this story at face value.

If we're going into the past, though, I think it's pretty clear that the PIRA just helped stoke the fires of sectarian hate and were not something to be looked at admiringly...the physical force republicans of today's era are sad in a whole other way, however. Although as someone on this board once said, they probably have more in common with Tony Montana than they do with James Connolly at this point...

[Palmares]

This can't be real. Noone even cares about Prince Charles. Tony Abbott is the new(er) famous guy with monkey ears.

There's only one prince that anyone would have their eyes duly set on...

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/61tUiyO53kL._SX940_.jpg

[Danielle Ni Dhighe]

If we're going into the past, though, I think it's pretty clear that the PIRA just helped stoke the fires of sectarian hate
To a certain degree, perhaps, but their armed struggle began as self-defense in the aftermath of loyalist attacks on working class Catholic areas in August 1969. The rebirth of physical force republicanism at that time was a direct response to unionist/loyalist violence and British state violence (which was often the same thing).

While I think the armed struggle failed, and has no role to play now, I also think that more often than not it was a legitimate tactic by republicans and republican socialists in the 1970s and '80s. The real problem? Armed struggle was raised to a guiding principle instead of a tactic.

In full disclosure, I was a member of the Irish Republican Socialist Party for 14 years.

[Os Cangaceiros]

They didn't create the atmosphere of sectarian hate or distrust, that's obviously been there for a long time before PIRA existed, but I don't think they contributed positively either.

[Danielle Ni Dhighe]

They didn't create the atmosphere of sectarian hate or distrust, that's obviously been there for a long time before PIRA existed, but I don't think they contributed positively either.
The republican side wasn't free from committing sectarian acts, true, but frankly any action taken against the British state in the North--even civil rights marches--enraged the unionists/loyalists.

[Sasha]

while there where certainly indefensible actions took place i dont think the same goes for the whole of the armed campaing, if not supportive, revolutionary leftists at least should show an understanding on why and how the republican movement was basically forced towards taking up arms by the british para-state. The irish anarchist WSM has many good articles on irish republicanism and the armed struggle on their website; http://www.wsm.ie/c/anarchist-writings-irish-republicanism

[mushroompizza]

IRA sucks these days they are just edgy irish teens who are bigots and know nothing of the tankie beliefs they are fighting for.

[Sasha]

IRA sucks these days they are just edgy irish teens who are bigots and know nothing of the tankie beliefs they are fighting for.

Dude, stop talking, you have no clue what you are running your mouth about, while i have no love for the ira disidents this is your post without all the bullshit you pulled out of your arse;


IRA sucks these days they are just irish and they are fighting for.

[The Modern Prometheus]

The dissident republicans are nothing like the Provisional IRA. The PIRA came about in 69 and gained popularity after the battle of the bogside as the Official IRA had been accused of failing to protect Irish republican areas from Loyalist paramilitaries as well as the RUC. This is also how the Irish National Liberation Army came about as they didn't want to accept the OIRA ceasefire but they wanted to be more Socialist then the PIRA.

While i do support what the PIRA did during the war in Ireland i don't at all support the gangsters who make up the CIRA, Real IRA or whatever else they call themselves. The bombing in Omagh was a absolute travesty for one and besides unlike the Provos they don't have a wide support base. While the situation in the 6 counties are far from ideal there seems to be no current will among the Irish Republicans to start another armed conflict. The Provos where a necessary force during the war in the occupied north but the so called Dissidents really have no reason to launch violent attacks right now as The British army is no longer shooting dead Irish children in the street and about the only people the Loyalist paramilitaries kill these days are each other. Though they do make arseholes of themselves by acting like the bigots they are by attacking immigrants and putting the KKK flag up in East Belfast.

As for this plot if it was at all serious it would be a fucking disaster if carried out and would accomplish nothing. I would do nothing but raise anti-Irish sentiment in NI and elsewhere in the UK and turn the vast majority of Republicans completely against dissident republicans.