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Speaks for the people
13th May 2015, 08:38
“At the risk of seeming ridiculous, let me say that the true revolutionary is guided by a great feeling of love. It is impossible to think of a genuine revolutionary lacking this quality.” - Che

Che was so many things and this remains one of my favorite quotes. But when speaking of love and the revolutionary, I am also reminded of Fernando Narvaja. A good friend of mine used to bring him food when he was later imprisoned. When speaking of love and revolution, the Monteneros were probably one of the least loved revolutionaries of the last century. They were idealists who sadly found they had actually sold themselves into a war of old men struggling with each other were simply used to die for them in the Peron power struggles of Argentina.

She said to him once that he should return to the countryside when free, this time to teach the people to grow tomatoes. To grow the future in all forms can be a beautiful thing, and even revolutionary, especially when finding other ways to empower those outside of the present power structures, which was her deeper message in this. To have hope for there to be a future to continue into is also an act of unconditional love, to and for those who will come after, of those not even seen or known, not yet born but who one day will be in this world.

Of course, of the present power structures, some say there is no freedom, justice, or democracy, but that is not strictly true. All are available in the US empire, as a commodity, much like everything else in a capitalist society, and is simply outside the price of/unaffordable and inaccessible to most. But Uncle Sam is perhaps the world's greatest used car and empire salesman, and he can sell the American dream to ever eager generations of people willing to work hard only to find they have been doing so to make those already wealthy even wealthier. That however is antithesis of love, and is the inhumanity of the world we find today.

While others call this capitalism, this is what we sometimes call the Wasicu disease and see capitalism simply as it's most recent form. Wherever they go they carry it with them, starting with the memes of Rome, and they recreate it in newer and more horrific forms. It is a belief system as well as an economic model based on the idea that some are privileged and that the rest of humanity is subhuman. "White man's burden" remains the burden of their capitalism on the rest of humanity.

Yet we are are here and continue today because those before us managed to as well, and so for them we remember what it was to have once lived as free human beings. That is where I think Che's meaning of love comes from. I always thought of his meaning as the love of all others, for the true revolutionary must deeply feel love of strangers, comarades, people who all yearn to be free, and even those who do not. To defend people who often will not defend you is truly unconditional love for humanity. That is to me what Che meant, and yes, that can be hard to realize.

mushroompizza
23rd May 2015, 15:37
:laugh:

BIXX
23rd May 2015, 15:57
The fuck

PhoenixAsh
23rd May 2015, 16:01
I hate most human beings. Still want a revolution though.

Exterminatus
23rd May 2015, 18:17
Nihilist edgelords love these threads.

Rafiq
23rd May 2015, 19:43
This "love" is greatly misunderstood. It is not the love that breeds happiness and pleasantness that he refers to. It isn't the love of self-worship or that of petty affection, or any kind of false empathy. It is a cold, Christian kind of love. The kind of violent love that, for example, drives people insane.

A Revolutionary Tool
23rd May 2015, 20:28
It is not a love of all others, it's a love that can make you a calculated killer of those you do not love, of those that hurt the people you love.

Luís Henrique
27th May 2015, 19:09
Tough love.

Luís Henrique

Brandon's Impotent Rage
27th May 2015, 19:18
It is a little sentimental....but I do have to agree with Che here.

You have to allow your heart to break at the sight of suffering and injustice. It's what reminds me why I'm in this struggle in the first place.

Comrade Jacob
27th May 2015, 20:05
I care for individuals out of love for them personally and the oppressed as a principle. But I don't care as much for everyone like I used to, my heart has hardened a bit.

Ethics Gradient, Traitor For All Ages
27th May 2015, 20:40
xXEdgelordXx

Tim Redd
29th May 2015, 02:36
I ultimately became a revolutionary because I saw how the poor lived and because I opposed the Vietnam war and supported the civil rights struggle.

I backed those positions because I saw people being hurt by bourgeois imperialists policies on the issues. Influenced by the Red Book I began to fetishize the working and poor masses.

Since that time I began to see how even the working and poor masses were often mostly influenced by bourgeois thinking and morality. This caused me to back off of my fetishism of the masses.

Now I'm more of the mind that we need revolution to move humanity forward to eliminate the exploitation and oppression of the masses and to implement policies by which humanity as a whole can move forward.

In the conditions prior to the initial socialist revolution for the seizure of power by the working class, part of the education and training of the advanced and intermediate strata among the masses to be leaders is the need to help them overcome bourgeois attitudes, morality and behavior. There is need to move them away from thinking and acting in non bourgeois manner. The party and genuine revolutionists should strive to instill them within them the motivation to act according revolutionary altruism. To influence them to live a revolutionary life that makes bourgeois morality and behavior live a smaller and smaller corner of their mental life.

The_Southern_Leftist
1st June 2015, 22:20
:grin:

Vladimir Innit Lenin
2nd June 2015, 21:12
Ich liebe doch alle menschen!
:laugh:

If you get that reference then you're my friend.

Tim Redd
3rd June 2015, 01:27
I hate most human beings. Still want a revolution though.

For me, I'd make that, "I dislike most or a plurality of human beings." Still want a revolution though.

A revolution that long term will in long term result in nearly all people being free of bourgeois morality, thinking and behavior.

Guardia Rossa
9th June 2015, 22:47
Bourgeois think they are more intelligent then me (they are richer, that is) and they defend capitalism wholeheartly. They can talk of anything not involving pratical things, otherwise they become liberal-conservatives nazi-ancaps indissolute moisure.

Proletarians don't think about nothing useful, living in the perfect 1984 B.N.W.
And they are also arses when I say I'm atheist and socialist. Like I was a near-extinct animal.

And anarchists think I'm Nazi bcuz I am marxist, have a army-esque coat (my only one [in one piece], my ex-Lab. Arist. gradpa gave me) and listen Rammstein.... FFS

So yea, I don't "love" (Translation Crentish-Portuguese-English: not hate) everyone.
Neither I hate everyone.

I really need some marxist/socialist friends. Everyone thinks I'm kinda anti-social but I just won't hang out with people like that.



I guess I need to move to São Paulo, since the Commune there ever were a lot of socialists there.

consuming negativity
10th June 2015, 00:33
it is out of love that we sacrifice ourselves for ourselves, because we know that our own personal happiness is no greater or worse than that of any other being, and we gain the most happiness by creating more of it, through doing the things that nobody else wants to do, because we love them even if they're too ignorant to love us back. there is no difference between your happiness and mine when i love you and the revolutionary love is one for the whole of humanity. it is the willingness to kill people who we love for their own good, to feel everything in its totality, that the others hide from, when they hide from reality and themselves and everything because they're scared. to be a capitalist is to be afraid - i am not afraid because i know that love is always stronger than fear.

cyu
10th June 2015, 01:36
When a disease infects a body, you can love the body without loving the disease.

Speaks for the people
22nd August 2015, 13:04
My own formative revolutionary experience was living in the streets of Chicago in the 80's, where so many Madison avenue shoppers were so willing and able to watch poor people openly die on their streets. Some were of course already ill and thrown out of or refused admission to newly "for profit" hospitals. This taught me a lot about how capitalism as a culture and their world is so much about getting ahead by pushing others behind.

Some may ask how I got off those streets, since so many died on them. This is simple too, and had nothing to do with clean living, or "hard work", which is really only about making an existing capitalist owner even wealthier. Nor did it have anything at all to do with specific talents or skills. It had everything to do with white privilege, though, as I simply can appear and can pass for white enough that opportunities which would have been completely excluded to most were not to me. That is it. Only that. And that too says much about what this thing they call America really is. That is what I find their bourgeois morality to be actually about.


I ultimately became a revolutionary because I saw how the poor lived and because I opposed the Vietnam war and supported the civil rights struggle.

I backed those positions because I saw people being hurt by bourgeois imperialists policies on the issues. Influenced by the Red Book I began to fetishize the working and poor masses.

Since that time I began to see how even the working and poor masses were often mostly influenced by bourgeois thinking and morality. This caused me to back off of my fetishism of the masses.

Now I'm more of the mind that we need revolution to move humanity forward to eliminate the exploitation and oppression of the masses and to implement policies by which humanity as a whole can move forward.

In the conditions prior to the initial socialist revolution for the seizure of power by the working class, part of the education and training of the advanced and intermediate strata among the masses to be leaders is the need to help them overcome bourgeois attitudes, morality and behavior. There is need to move them away from thinking and acting in non bourgeois manner. The party and genuine revolutionists should strive to instill them within them the motivation to act according revolutionary altruism. To influence them to live a revolutionary life that makes bourgeois morality and behavior live a smaller and smaller corner of their mental life.