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Hexen
11th May 2015, 21:47
The End of Great Britain As We Know It

Why David Cameron’s Conservative victory may be the country’s swan song.

By Anne Applebaum (http://www.slate.com/authors.anne_applebaum.html)




http://www.slate.com/content/dam/slate/articles/news_and_politics/foreigners/2015/05/150511_FOR_DavidCameron.jpg.CROP.promovar-mediumlarge.jpg Prime Minister David Cameron leaves Downing Street on May 11, 2015, in London. Photo by Carl Court/Getty Images



LONDON

—This election will be remembered as the one that rescued the career of David Cameron, the British prime minister, who was publicly contemplating his own exit from politics only two months ago. It will also be remembered as the election that abruptly ended the career of the Labor Party leader, Ed Miliband, who had confidently carved his electoral promises onto a large piece of limestone only last week. Above all, it will be remembered as the election that every single major pollster got wrong: All the dire talk of hung parliaments, minority coalitions, and the intervention of the queen has vanished with the emergence of a solid Conservative majority. But long after these various dramas are forgotten, it might also be remembered as the election that marked the beginning of the end of Great Britain, at least in the form that we now know it.



Certainly it could literally mark the beginning of the end of the United Kingdom—that union of Wales, England, Northern Ireland, and Scotland—whose stability hasn’t seriously been challenged for quite some time. For one, the Scottish National Party, which calls openly for Scottish secession, has just won 56 of 59 Scottish parliamentary seats, wiping out both Labor and the Liberal Democrats and in some places achieving a 30 percent or even 40 percent electoral swing. More to the point, it’s now clear that not everybody in London is terribly upset by this news. “I never really felt ‘British’ anyway,” a friend told me very late on election night. “I feel English.”

The Conservatives ran the most insular election campaign that anybody can recall, and they were rewarded for it.



I don’t think he was alone. Suddenly, a vision of a different future has opened up, especially for a certain kind of English Tory: Without dour, difficult, left-wing Scotland, maybe they could rule the rest of what used to be Great Britain, indefinitely. For American readers who find the significance of this hard to understand: Imagine that a Texan secessionist party had, after years of campaigning, just taken every Texan seat in Congress. And now imagine that quite a few people in the rest of the country—perhaps in the Democratic Party—had, after years of arguing back, finally begun to think that Texan secession really might not be so bad and were beginning to calculate the electoral advantages accordingly.



This election may also be the beginning of the end of Great Britain as we know it in another sense, too. In 2013, Cameron promised that he would, if re-elected, hold a referendum on Britain’s membership in the European Union. He also promised, somewhat more vaguely, that he would first “renegotiate” that membership. Even today nobody knows what that means, for Cameron has never explained it. Nor has he ever sought European allies or partners to help him in that process, and this isn’t the best moment to begin. The rest of Europe’s leaders are involved in a complex financial negotiation with Greece, are forging a strategy toward Russia, are facing an enormous illegal migration crisis on its southern coasts—and aren’t collectively enthusiastic about launching into a long, painful negotiation with Britain.



But whatever the rest of Europe wants, this issue is now of necessity at the center of Britain’s foreign policy. In practice, that means British diplomats aren’t going to have time to worry about Russia or Libya in the next few years, because they’ll be focused on EU treaties. At EU summits, the British will want to talk about Britain’s role in Europe, not Europe’s role in the world, or Europe’s crises on its southern and eastern borders. The outward-looking, fully engaged Britain that “punched above its weight” has already faded away, and not everybody in London is very sorry about this turn of events either. Cameron has been less interested in foreign policy than any British prime minister in recent memory, his party has just run the most insular election campaign that anybody can recall, and he has just been rewarded with a resounding victory for doing so.



The voters have spoken, and to English Tories, the message has come through loud and clear: Without Scotland, without the outside world, they do just fine. They’ll always have London, with one of the world’s most lucrative financial sectors; they’ll always have England, with some of the world’s greenest countryside; and they’ll always have the memory of a grander history—and maybe that’s enough.




Source: http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/foreigners/2015/05/the_end_of_great_britain_why_david_cameron_s_conse rvative_victory_could.html

Creative Destruction
11th May 2015, 22:10
I think for American readers, this idea of a "Conservative majority" isn't what it seems. I didn't realize this, but with 36% of the vote in the country, the Conservative Party was awarded with 51% of the seats in the parliament. By no stretch of the imagination could that be considered anything democratic or representing the majority, much less a "Conservative majority." The majority of the country was loud and clear that they don't want the Conservatives as the government.

It's such a dysfunctional and fucked up way to govern. It makes no goddamned sense. These are the same governments that would -- without blinking -- criticize despotic regimes for unimaginable majorities in faux-democratic elections. It's the same fucking thing with the numbers flipped around.

Vladimir Innit Lenin
12th May 2015, 00:00
I think that, if we are not careful/militant, we could face the prospect of a general election in 2020 for an independent England (and Wales/NI).

Surely the SNP will have another bash at independence and, tbh, the general election result and ensuing Tory government will increase the 46% yes vote. Though I don't think the Tory leadership actually wants to leave Europe, having a referendum is a pretty dangerous thing to do, given that large sections of the Tory press will press this as a 'common sense' issue and do their best to drive us out of the EU.

I honestly think if we left the EU I would just live somewhere else. Imagine what sort of a country this would become, with the national bourgeoisie free of human rights legislation and the liberal restraint of Europe on our naturally 'conservative' outlook. Ugh.

bricolage
12th May 2015, 03:31
I'm going Paddy Ashdown here and I'll say that I'll eat my hat if the referendum votes to leaves the EU.

piet11111
12th May 2015, 05:41
I'm going Paddy Ashdown here and I'll say that I'll eat my hat if the referendum votes to leaves the EU.

However if it does happen remind me to make a "so long and thanks for all the fish .... and chips" comment.

Armchair Partisan
12th May 2015, 11:06
I think for American readers, this idea of a "Conservative majority" isn't what it seems. I didn't realize this, but with 36% of the vote in the country, the Conservative Party was awarded with 51% of the seats in the parliament. By no stretch of the imagination could that be considered anything democratic or representing the majority, much less a "Conservative majority." The majority of the country was loud and clear that they don't want the Conservatives as the government.

It's such a dysfunctional and fucked up way to govern. It makes no goddamned sense. These are the same governments that would -- without blinking -- criticize despotic regimes for unimaginable majorities in faux-democratic elections. It's the same fucking thing with the numbers flipped around.

Also, while I'm not particularly sorry for the UKIP, I feel this picture shows the clear problem of the FPTP system that's designed to perpetuate the rule of the largest party/parties:

http://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/624/media/images/82873000/png/_82873516_votes_per_mp-01.png
What a joke. That's terrible even by bourgeois-democratic standards.

Invader Zim
12th May 2015, 11:36
Applebaum should stick to writing coffee-table books about the Soviet Union. Her analysis of the situation is wrong on many levels. The idea that this election has suddenly changed the situation for Scotland, and makes another referendum more likely, is untrue. Sturgeon has already said that it would take something extraordinary (i.e. Britain votes to leave the EU) for her to consider putting a referendum on the SNP's 2016 Holyrood manifesto. Given the recent proximity of the previous referendum, which resoundingly voted 'No', another referendum so soon after would be seen by many to be illegitimate. Moreover, whenever she has brought up the possibility over recent weeks in Scotland she has received a very hostile reaction. Scotland voted for anti-Austerity, a fuck you to Cameron after his appauling 'English votes' speech only hours after the Scottish referendum results were called, and as a sharp kick up the ass to Labour and the Liberal Democrats. If they get their act together, Labour by taking Scotland seriously and the Lib Dems by turning away from their Orange Book rightwing folly, then they will eat into the SNP's new found support. Similarly, if Cameron goes the extra mile, beyond the Smith Commission's recommendations, then the SNP for many will cease to be relevant - they are, at the end of the day, a single issue party.

As far as Europe goes, I strongly suspect that Cameron will go to Europe and get some token though meaningless reforms, which he will sell to the British public as a great victory and wholly new deal for Britain - the press will bellow his line from the roof-tops (as it did in this election) and destroy the character of anybody who argues against Cameron's line, and the British public will dutifully march to the ballot boxes and vote to stay in.

bricolage
12th May 2015, 16:37
On the subject of which votes count I saw this this morning: http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/ampp3d/general-election-results-just-900-5682492#ICID=sharebar_twitter

The Mirror argue that a Tory majority was achieved by the votes of just 901 people. They then tell you that "Next time someone tells you your vote is worthless, you might want to remind them of this" - but it would be pretty hard to tell that to someone who didn't live in Gower or Derby North. So 165 votes did it in Croydon Central? Well, I don't vote in Croydon Central (I actually grew up very close to Croydon Central but that's beside the point).

I'd also recommend this video that was made just before the election: http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/video/2015/may/06/nuneaton-election-2015-scottish-get-in-with-labour-were-done-for

In it they go to Nuneaton (which actually ended up with a 5,000 Tory majority, Labour lost votes and UKIP gained a lot - pretty standard story) and find that people are a) pretty uninterested with the election and b) seemingly terrified of the SNP running the country. These aren't particularly wealthy people but they aren't on the breadline, they aren't party members and they aren't anarchists. I think wen spend so much time looking for the ruptures, the breaks, the historic events that it's easy to forget how much is just middle England middle ground.

The Feral Underclass
12th May 2015, 19:10
36% of the vote in the country, the Conservative Party was awarded with 51%

And that 36% only actually represented 25% of the entire electorate.

cyu
12th May 2015, 22:53
France is always bleakest before the head of state is guillotined.

You think that's democracy you're breathing right now?

https://i.imgflip.com/25w3.jpg

Futility Personified
13th May 2015, 01:49
http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2015/may/13/counter-terrorism-bill-extremism-disruption-orders-david-cameron

This has been posted up here before, but never mind all the other awful shit, the end result is that companies will be expected to spy on us for more than our consumer data, any organisation or ideology that is certified as 'extremist' will be supremely curtailed in their ability to propagate information.

Freaky stuff! Till someone gets their shit together all there is to do is gripe on the net, throw piss at the police and complain that we all need to get our shit together.

cyu
13th May 2015, 03:12
The ruling class is afraid. Their economic system is a giant turd, and they know if they don't fix it fast, it's going to blow up in their face. In times of fear, all they can do is resort to grabbing more power, hoping they can still control the situation. However no matter how much power they grab, they can't fix the failures of capitalism while still keeping capitalism - they know this, but until they find a way to let themselves off the hook, all they can do is try to tighten their grip on power, and grow ever more panicked in the process.