Marxist Tests

[mushroompizza]

Are you a Marxist?
http://www.gotoquiz.com/are_you_a_marxist

If so... What type of Marxist are you?
http://www.gotoquiz.com/what_type_of_marxist_are_you_1

[Tim Cornelis]

Not really good, and written by a Maoist clearly.

Like one question is asking whose theory is superior: Trotsky's, Mao's, which is basically asking 'are you a Maoist or Trotskyist or ... '. That's like using the word you're defining in the definition.

[Anglo-Saxon Philistine]

"2. Is the advancement of technology the reasoning behind the evolution of economies?"

I don't know because I don't know what "the reasoning behind the evolution of economies" means. Both tests are full of moments like this. I don't think tests like this make any sense, particularly since a lot of the terms used are vague (just as an example, what is public ownership? it can mean anything from socialisation to the utilities company in a bourgeois state), but this one seems to make less sense than most.

[Sinister Intents]

Are there any good tests? What about a thread for testing each other!

[Tim Cornelis]

http://marxistpedia.mwzip.com/wiki/List_of_internal_debates

This one is also kinda shoddy, still under construction though. Difficult to reduce complex issues to basically one-worded answers. Sort of a "test" I suppose.

[John Nada]

Not really good, and written by a Maoist clearly.

Like one question is asking whose theory is superior: Trotsky's, Mao's, which is basically asking 'are you a Maoist or Trotskyist or ... '. That's like using the word you're defining in the definition.Really? I thought the test was biased towards the Western Marxists tendencies. And the questions aren't that accurate or specific to one tendency. Stalinist, Trotskyist, and Maoist agree on a lot of shit. More than any of them are willing to admit. In turn, orthodox and other non-Leninist Marxists agree with a lot of the previously mentioned tendencies too, also more than they'd like to admit.Permanent social Revolution isn't a strictly Trotskyist thing. Other Leninist call at "uninterrupted revolutions" with more emphases on other allies among other oppressed classes, such as the poor peasantry. Cultural revolution also has similarities permanent revolution with the class struggle continuing under the DOTP. Could be wrong, but I think Trotsky also thought the "national bourgeoisie" can have a possibly positive role in national liberation. And Leninists have the theory of people's democracy with multiple parties.Many questions are wrongly counted as tendency specific or in opposition when it's a bit more nuanced.

[Anglo-Saxon Philistine]

Concerning the permanent revolution, Trotsky's point was that the bourgeoisie of the regions of belated capitalist development is so weak and bound to the imperialist bourgeoisie of the metropole that the only possibility for national liberation and the overthrow of imperialism was the dictatorship of the proletariat, possibly resting on a peasant majority but always ruled exclusively by the proletariat.

[mushroompizza]

Well help me out I want to perfect it, give me about 12 simple points to each philosophy so I can create a new test.

[Luís Henrique]

Well help me out I want to perfect it, give me about 12 simple points to each philosophy so I can create a new test.

First, a Marxist would have to at least try to understand what LTV is; a person with no clue about it cannot be a Marxist, strictly speaking. So a few questions about LTV would be in order.

Second, a Marxist would have to understand capitalism as a historically given system - not an eternal, a-historic principle of organisation, much less as an ethichal issue (words like "deserve", "just", "fair", are utterly un-Marxist in nature; they make answering impossible, because both considering something "fair" or "unfair" are outside the reach of Marxism).

Luís Henrique

[Luís Henrique]

Is history guided by materialism and will naturally create social progress?

This for instance. No, history isn't "guided" by materialism (or by anything else, btw), and it obviously cannot "create" social progress ("history" is not a subject), much less "naturally". So, a Marxist would have to answer "no" here. But this is a question that does not address the divide between Marxists and non-Marxists - lots of non-Marxists, even anti-Marxists, would probably answer "no" too.

Luís Henrique

[Rafiq]

Only two types of people can understand Marxism: Marxists and very rarely former Marxists. If one is a "Marxist" for the aesthetic of being one, or to appear interesting, they are not Marxists - you cannot be one of you depend upon the gaze of the other.

[willowtooth]

I'm a neo-marxist, and im 77% marxist according to your two tests. What does that mean?

[The Intransigent Faction]

"2. Is the advancement of technology the reasoning behind the evolution of economies?"

I don't know because I don't know what "the reasoning behind the evolution of economies" means. Both tests are full of moments like this. I don't think tests like this make any sense, particularly since a lot of the terms used are vague (just as an example, what is public ownership? it can mean anything from socialisation to the utilities company in a bourgeois state), but this one seems to make less sense than most.

That reminds me of the bourgeois "political compass" test. Due to the ideological presumptions of the test's creators, the meaning of certain responses is lost in translation in much the same way that in everyday conversations some people, upon being informed that you aren't a liberal, will immediately jump to the conclusion "Oh, so you're a Conservative!" There's not much room for nuance, either. The best result I've gotten was "You agree with none of the parties on XYZ".

[mushroompizza]

Guess I wont be making simple tests for hardcore Marxists anymore.

[Carlos-Marcos]

You are 62% Marxist!
62%

You are somewhat Marxist. :)


that's what my test came up with, though some of the questions were a little unclear, is 62% enough to be allowed to post here?? I hope so, lol


by the way, can someone explain question 1 a bit clearer, thanks


'1. Is history guided by materialism and will naturally create social progress?

[Carlos-Marcos]

What type of Marxist are you?Your Result: Western Marxist

100%

Western Marxism is a body of various Marxist theoreticians based in Western and Central Europe, in contrast with philosophy in the

good quiz, I like it!:)

[IrishAnarchist]

Can a anarchist be a marxist? can a marxist be and anarchist?

[Carlos-Marcos]

not sure how that sits on this board, because I've already been called a 'reformist fascist' as I don't agree with many anarcho views, however most of my views line up with fairly orthodox Marxism

but anyway,yes for sure, I reckon you can be 50/50 anarcho and Marxist

[IrishAnarchist]

I reckon you can be 50/50 anarcho and Marxist

Yeah thats my thoughts on it too. Lots of anarchists I know would agree with a good bit of what Marx had to say.I suppose the main part they wouldn't agree with would be the dictatorship of the proletariat.

[mushroompizza]

Anarchists cannot be Marxists but they can respect Karl Marx and his work.

[VivalaCuarta]

The world is the test. The proletariat gives the final grade. Here's a practice quiz:

Did you unconditionally defend the Soviet Union? Did you hail the Red Army in Afghanistan? Did you oppose Solidarnosc? Did you oppose the capitalist reunification of Germany?

Did you call for the defeat of "your own" imperialist government in its wars? Such as the U.S. terror wars after Septermber 11 2001? Did you oppose the U.S. imperialist occupation of Haiti? Are you for independence for all colonies, such as Puerto Rico?

Are you for the abolition of the family? Do you call for revolutionary workers opposition to all Popular Fronts? Are you against all state interference in sexual relations characterized by effective consent? Do you call for full citizenship rights for all immigrants? For free abortion on demand? For the liberation of the black people in the U.S.?

Do you look to the class-conscious, organized workers as the only force that can put these slogans into effect? Do you seek to organize the workers into a revolutionary party to fight for this program, by smashing the capitalist state and establishing a workers dictatorship?

If you answered yes, you might be a Marxist. If your answer is "no," or some vague blatheration that seeks to avoid the question, then you are not a Marxist.

[Red Star Rising]

Why does it say "Will Socialism eventually fade away and leave no government and equality?" Socialism is a stateless and equal society.

[Comrade Njordr]

Why does it say "Will Socialism eventually fade away and leave no government and equality?" Socialism is a stateless and equal society.
You're thinking of communism, a classless, stateless society. Socialism's goal is to eliminate the class system; once that has been done, the state would have no use as it is an organ of class rule. It will have no other option but to wither away into an administrative function.

[Red Star Rising]

You're thinking of communism, a classless, stateless society. Socialism's goal is to eliminate the class system; once that has been done, the state would have no use as it is an organ of class rule. It will have no other option but to wither away into an administrative function.

Wrong. That is a misconception, a DotP is not socialism, this is a misinterpretation dating back to Lenin.

[PhoenixAsh]

Rafiq is gonna be pissed....I am 92% Marxist. This disproves Marxism :)

I am apparently also 92% orthodox Marxist this definately proves that the best Marxists are Anarchists.....

[IrishAnarchist]

what in Marxism do you agree with and disagree with?

[lutraphile]

77% Marxist

100% Western Marxist
100% Structural Marxist
88% Libertarian Marxist
68% Orthodox Marxist
33% Neo-Marxist
30% Trotskyist
16% Classical Marxist
0% Marxist Leninist
0% Analytical Marxist
0% Marxist Leninist Maoist

[RedAnarchist]

What type of Marxist are you?
Your Result: Classical Marxist

100%
Classical Marxism refers to the economic, philosophical, and sociological theories expounded by Karl Marx and Friedrich Engels, as contrasted with later developments in Marxism, especially Leninism and Marxism–Leninism.

100%Western Marxist

100%Analytical Marxist

100%Structural Marxist

56%Neo-Marxist

25%Libertarian Marxist

16%Orthodox Marxist

4%Marxist Leninist

4%Trotskyist

0%Marxist Leninist Maoist

[James_Connolly]

77% trotskyist. :unsure: Although many questions hadn't an answer that fits my thought.

[Comrade Jacob]

77% trotskyist. :unsure: Although many questions hadn't an answer that fits my thought.

haha. I got Maoist, I took it a while back

[Q]

This is hardly contributing to learning.

Moved from /learning to /chit-chat.