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Sasha
29th April 2015, 23:34
Tuesday, Apr 28, 2015 11:15 PM CEST Baltimore’s violent protesters are right: Smashing police cars is a legitimate political strategy

It's crucial to see non-violence as a tactic, not a philosophy. If it fails to win people over it's a futile tactic

Benji Hart (http://www.salon.com/writer/benji_hart/)

http://media.salon.com/2015/04/baltimore_riot1.jpg (http://media.salon.com/2015/04/baltimore_riot1.jpg)A Baltimore Metropolitan Police transport vehicle burns during clashes in Baltimore, Maryland April 27, 2015. (Credit: Reuters/Shannon Stapleton)
As a nation, we fail to comprehend Black political strategy in much the same way we fail to recognize the value of Black life.
We see ghettos and crime and absent parents where we should see communities actively struggling against mental health crises and premeditated economic exploitation. And when we see police cars being smashed and corporate property being destroyed, we should see reasonable responses to generations of extreme state violence, and logical decisions about what kind of actions yield the desired political results.
I’m overwhelmed by the pervasive slandering of protesters in Baltimore this weekend for not remaining peaceful. The bad-apple rhetoric would have us believe that most Baltimore protesters are demonstrating the right way—as is their constitutional right—and only a few are disrupting the peace, giving the movement a bad name.
This spin should be disregarded, first because of the virtual media blackout of any of the action happening on the ground, particularly over the weekend. Equally, it makes no sense to cite the Constitution in any demonstration for Black civil rights (that document was not written about us, remember?), but certainly not one organized specifically to call attention to the fact that the state breaks its own laws with regard to the oppressed on a nearly constant basis.
But there is an even bigger problem. Referring to Black Lives Matter protests, as well as organic responses to police and state violence as “non-violent” or “peaceful” erases the actual climate in which these movements are acting, the militant strategies that have rendered them effective, and the long history of riots (https://www.jacobinmag.com/2015/01/when-rioting-is-rational-ferguson/) and direct action on which they are built.
I do not advocate non-violence—particularly in a moment like the one we currently face. In the spirit and words of militant Black and Brown feminist movements (https://radfag.wordpress.com/2013/04/30/to-fight-back-non-violence-militant-feminism-and-education/) from around the globe, I believe it is crucial that we see non-violence as a tactic, not a philosophy.
Non-violence is a type of political performance designed to raise awareness and win over sympathy of those with privilege. When those on the outside of struggle—the white, the wealthy, the straight, the able-bodied, the masculine—have demonstrated repeatedly that they do not care, are not invested, are not going to step in the line of fire to defend the oppressed, this is a futile political strategy. It not only fails to meet the needs of the community, but actually puts oppressed people in further danger of violence.

Militance is about direct action which defends our communities from violence. It is about responses which meet the political goals of our communities in the moment, and deal with the repercussions as they come. It is about saying no, firmly drawing and holding boundaries, demanding the return of stolen resources. And from Queer Liberation and Black Power to centuries-old movements for Native sovereignty and anti-colonialism, it is how virtually all of our oppressed movements were sparked, and has arguably gained us the only real political victories we’ve had under the rule of empire.
We need to clarify what we mean by terms like “violence” and “peaceful.” Because, to be clear, violence is beating, harassing, tazing, assaulting and shooting Black, trans, immigrant, women, and queer people, and that is the reality many of us are dealing with daily. Telling someone to be peaceful and shaming their militance not only lacks a nuanced and historical political understanding, it is literally a deadly and irresponsible demand.
The political goals of rioters in Baltimore are not unclear—just as they were not unclear when poor, Black people rioted in Ferguson (https://www.jacobinmag.com/2014/08/in-defense-of-the-ferguson-riots/) last fall. When the free market, real estate, the elected government, the legal system have all shown you they are not going to protect you—in fact, that they are the sources of the greatest violence you face—then political action becomes about stopping the machine that is trying to kill you, even if only for a moment, getting the boot off your neck, even if it only allows you a second of air. This is exactly what blocking off streets, disrupting white consumerism, and destroying state property are designed to do.
Black people know this, and have employed these tactics for a very, very long time. Calling them uncivilized, and encouraging them to mind the Constitution is racist, and as an argument fails to ground itself not only in the violent political reality in which Black people find themselves, but also in our centuries-long tradition of resistance, one that has taught effective strategies for militance and direct action to virtually every other current movement for justice.
And while I don’t believe that every protester involved in attacking police cars and corporate storefronts had the same philosophy, or did what they did for the same reasons, it cannot be discounted that when there is a larger national outcry in defense of plate-glass windows and car doors than for Black young people, a point is being made. When there is more concern for white sports fans in the vicinity of a riot than the Black people facing off with police, there is mounting justification for the rage and pain of Black communities in this country.
Acknowledging all of this, I do think events this weekend in Baltimore raise important questions for future direct and militant action in all of our movements. In addition to articulating our goals, crafting our messaging and type of action, we need to think carefully about what the longer term results of militant action might potentially be. Strategies I might suggest, and important questions I think we should try and answer as we plan or find ourselves involved in political actions are these:


Are we harming state and private property, or are we harming people, communities and natural resources? Is the result of our action disrupting state and corporate violence, or creating collateral damage that more oppressed people will have to deal with (i.e., Black families and business owners, cleaning staff, etc.)? Are we mimicking state violence by harming people and the environment, or are we harming state property in ways that can stop or slow violence? Are we demonizing systems or people?
Who is in the vicinity? Are we doing harm to people around us as we act? Is there a possibility of violence for those who are not the intended targets of our action? Are we forcing people to be involved in an action who many not want to be, or who are not ready?
Who is involved in the action? Are people involved in our action consensually, or simply because they are in the vicinity? Have we created ways for people of all abilities who may not want to be present to leave? Are we being strategic about location and placement of bodies? If there are violent repercussions for our actions, who will be facing them?

We should attempt to answer as many of these questions as possible before action occurs, in the planning stages if possible. We also need backup plans and options for changing our actions in the moment if any of the agreed-upon conditions are not the same when it comes time to act.
I rolled my eyes when inquiries in Ferguson “shockingly” revealed racist emails sent throughout local government, including higher-ups in the Police Department. I think many of us knew the inquiry of virtually any police department would yield almost identical findings. The riots in Baltimore have many drawing parallels between policy and conduct in both cities now. What kind of action brought to light for the less affected what Black people have always known? What kinds of actions will it take to make it widely understood that all policing is racist terror, and justice can only come with its permanent abolition?
Black power, Queer power, power to Baltimore, and to all oppressed people who know what time it is.


source; http://www.salon.com/2015/04/28/baltimores_violent_protesters_are_right_smashing_p olice_cars_is_a_legitimate_political_strategy/

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Ele'ill
29th April 2015, 23:40
I am not really familiar with salon but hardly any of my friends believed me when I said that an abnormal amount of people are seemingly ok this time with violence in Baltimore. Idk why

The Intransigent Faction
29th April 2015, 23:53
I am not really familiar with salon but hardly any of my friends believed me when I said that an abnormal amount of people are seemingly ok this time with violence in Baltimore. Idk why

Probably because the ones standing in front of police lines saying "Don't give them a reason!" (:rolleyes:) are getting plenty of media coverage.

John Nada
30th April 2015, 00:49
Something they don't mention is it could be argued that riots save lives. By forcing the state to spend precious resources and time, smashing bourgeois property, depriving them of support and denying them access, that's less for imperialist wars(at home and abroad). The police probably would've killed even more by now.

While one should learn about the material conditions and differentiate friend from foe, as Engels noted about the petty-bourgeoisie:
The petty bourgeoisie, great in boasting, is very impotent for action, and very shy in risking anything. The mesquin [small-minded] character of its commercial transactions and its credit operations is eminently apt to stamp its character with a want of energy and enterprise; it is, then, to be expected that similar qualities will mark its political career. Accordingly the petty bourgeoisie encouraged insurrection by big words, and great boasting as to what it was going to do; it was eager to seize upon power as soon as the insurrection, much against its will, had broken out; it used this power to no other purpose but to destroy the effects of the insurrection. Wherever an armed conflict had brought matters to a serious crisis, there the shopkeepers stood aghast at the dangerous situation created for them; aghast at the people who had taken their boasting appeals to arms in earnest; aghast at the power thus thrust into their own hands; aghast, above all, at the consequences for themselves, for their social positions, for their fortunes, of the policy in which they were forced to engage themselves. Were they not expected to risk "life and property," as they used to say, for the cause of the insurrection? Were they not forced to take official positions in the insurrection, whereby, in the case of defeat, they risked the loss of their capital? And in case of victory, were they not sure to be immediately turned out of office, and to see their entire policy subverted by the victorious proletarians who formed the main body of their fighting army? Thus placed between opposing dangers which surrounded them on every side, the petty bourgeoisie knew not to turn its power to any other account than to let everything take its chance, whereby, of course, there was lost what little chance of success there might have been, and thus to ruin the insurrection altogether. Its policy, or rather want of policy, everywhere was the same, and, therefore, the insurrections of May, 1849, in all parts of Germany, are all cut out to the same pattern.

In Dresden, the struggle was kept on for four days in the streets of the town. The shopkeepers of Dresden, the "communal guard," not only did not fight, but in many instances favored the proceedings of the troops against the insurgents. These again consisted almost exclusively of working men from the surrounding manufacturing districts. They found an able and cool-headed commander in the Russian refugee Michael Bakunin, who afterwards was taken prisoner, and now is confined in the dungeons of Munkacs, Hungary. The intervention of numerous Prussian troops crushed this insurrection.Source: https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1852/germany/ch18.htm Some things never change.:)

mushroompizza
30th April 2015, 02:07
My opinion is that violence only continues struggle. Psychologically humans will not make peace and change during conflict, when two forces become united socially and/or politically they often make peace and change. If we want progress we need for the separated communities of rich poor, young old, white and black to integrate. Again, psychologically division between people over anything no matter how ridiculous will cause violence and radicalism over time (Crash Course Psychology is my source). But in the moment in Baltimore police acted so of course you need to defend yourself in that moment. So do we peacefully integrate, yes, how I have no idea... :confused:

Os Cangaceiros
30th April 2015, 02:28
*shrug* If it brings about some kind of positive and tangible improvement then I say go for it, use it as a tactic. If it's counterproductive and just serves to alienate people you're trying to attract, then don't use it as a tactic. In my view it's as simple as that...neither non-violence or militant action should be held up as ideas that are beyond critique...some situations may require non-violent tactics, violent tactics, or some combination of violent & non-violent tactics, depending on factors like how strong your hand is & how strong your enemy's hand is, what you're trying to achieve as far as short-term and long-term goals go, etc.

Measuring opinion among "the masses" is tricky, though, and therefore it's difficult to really measure how effective certain tactics are. In moments of huge outrage and anger there may be a lot of support for violent measures to be taken. But generally speaking I think people are turned off by it. Violence represents chaos and people generally like stability.

BIXX
30th April 2015, 02:57
My opinion is that violence only continues struggle. Psychologically humans will not make peace and change during conflict, when two forces become united socially and/or politically they often make peace and change. If we want progress we need for the separated communities of rich poor, young old, white and black to integrate. Again, psychologically division between people over anything no matter how ridiculous will cause violence and radicalism over time (Crash Course Psychology is my source). But in the moment in Baltimore police acted so of course you need to defend yourself in that moment. So do we peacefully integrate, yes, how I have no idea... :confused:
Go home MP you're drunk.

Antiochus
30th April 2015, 03:50
we need for the separated communities of rich poor, young old, white and black to integrate.

Umm what? Spare me this kumbaya bullshit about the poor and rich uniting. It won't happen. This isn't fucking Aesop where the Lion and Rat live happily ever after.

Rafiq
30th April 2015, 05:51
Again, psychologically division between people over anything no matter how ridiculous will cause violence and radicalism over time

What are the origins of these "psychological divisions", and what are their qualifications? The fact of the matter is that if you perceive something as ridiculous that is able to mobilize vast swaths of people against each other, it is you who is ridiculous for being so sure of what is basically ignorance.

It is simply wrong. Even for a small disagreement to culminate in a fistfight between two individuals requires a great externality - an idea of what one's limits are wherein they would become violent and so on. This doesn't come "naturally" over mere disagreements. Something like a fight over a football game in the US, for example, has definite limits. For something to actually culminate into war, its pertinence must actually directly concern the foundations of life itself. So what examples of "ridiculous" differences, in your mind, have actually led to whole-scale conflicts?

Palmares
30th April 2015, 06:24
That website has a misleading name, I thought we had federation of radical salons speaking their minds by the thread title...

Workers-Control-Over-Prod
30th April 2015, 08:31
I am not really familiar with salon but hardly any of my friends believed me when I said that an abnormal amount of people are seemingly ok this time with violence in Baltimore. Idk why

Yeah, I was surprised how my sociology teacher and class were all talking about this as a positive sign of social movement. I think it has something to do with mainstream demonization of the actions.

Anyways, was a fun little opportunity for me to utilize the class's mood to attack the bourgeois liberals in class. Made the point that many violent protests throughout history have been recorded not as riots but "rebellions". Cool moment

Sasha
30th April 2015, 11:06
this site mic.com (http://mic.com/) has also been very positive about what is happening in Baltimore, pretty good.