Lumpenbourgeoisie vs. "national" / patriotic petit-bourgeoisie: biker gangs

[Die Neue Zeit]

Two comparative news articles illustrate the class distinction between the lumpenbourgeoisie (not part of the lumpenproletariat) and the "national" patriotic petit-bourgeoisie. Interestingly, the thing common to these lumpenbourgeois and patriotic petit-bourgeois groups is that they're both biker gangs!

Lumpenbourgeoisie:

Six Hells Angels plead guilty to murder charges (http://www.torontosun.com/2013/04/06/six-hells-angels-plead-guilty-to-murder-charges)

(Cuz typical lumpenproletariat folks don't ride motorbikes when not engaging in criminal activity)

"National" / patriotic petit-bourgeoisie:

Pro-Putin bikers defy bans, ride to Berlin for WWII anniversary (http://www.timesofisrael.com/pro-putin-bikers-defy-bans-ride-to-berlin-for-wwii-anniversary/) (Night Wolves)

:D

[Atsumari]

I hope you are not trying to say that these right-wing nationalists somehow deserve respect unlike the Hells Angels. These people seem worse than the Hells Angels in many ways with their pro-Russian imperialist agenda, outright homophobia, sexism (bans women from joining) and chauvinism. I would go so far to say that they have more in common with modern European fascists.

[Sewer Socialist]

In what way are the Hells Angels lumpenbourgeois? I do not understand the bourgeois part.

[Die Neue Zeit]

I hope you are not trying to say that these right-wing nationalists somehow deserve respect unlike the Hells Angels.

I said nothing of that sort at all. The more serious topics concerned the distinction between the lumpenbourgeoisie and the lumpenproletariat, on the one hand, and the rebuttal of some Trotskyist and post-Trotskyist claims that there's no such thing as a "national" or patriotic petit-bourgeoisie in urban or rural areas (regardless of said strata's political and social views).

I thought of injecting a little black humour with regards to biker gangs, as it seems that each picture is indeed worth at least a thousand words of conceptual exposition.


In what way are the Hells Angels lumpenbourgeois? I do not understand the bourgeois part.

Bosses in the criminal underworld are not of the lumpenproletariat, but rather are the lumpenbourgeoisie, who get the first "cuts" of any and all criminal proceeds.

[John Nada]

What's an example of comprador bourgeoisie?

[Die Neue Zeit]

What's an example of comprador bourgeoisie?

Juan, that's from Maoism, with regards to bourgeois collaborators with the leading imperialist powers. I think you meant comprador petit-bourgeoisie.

A key symptom of the comprador petit-bourgeoisie's existence is what developed countries call a "brain drain," in which certain skilled people emigrate from a less developed country to a more developed one. This happened in Venezuela, for example, after government reprisals against the failed, anti-Chavez oil management "strike" in the early 2000s, and has had a negative impact on the country's oil production since.

[John Nada]

Juan, that's from Maoism, with regards to bourgeois collaborators with the leading imperialist powers. I think you meant comprador petit-bourgeoisie.

A key symptom of the comprador petit-bourgeoisie's existence is what developed countries call a "brain drain," in which certain skilled people emigrate from a less developed country to a more developed one. This happened in Venezuela, for example, after government reprisals against the failed anti-Chavez oil management "strike" in the early 2000s, and has had a negative impact on the country's oil production since.It came from before Maoism. But anyway, do the Venezuelan comprador-petit-bourgeoisie have a biker gang?

[Vladimir Innit Lenin]

Juan, that's from Maoism, with regards to bourgeois collaborators with the leading imperialist powers. I think you meant comprador petit-bourgeoisie.

A key symptom of the comprador petit-bourgeoisie's existence is what developed countries call a "brain drain," in which certain skilled people emigrate from a less developed country to a more developed one. This happened in Venezuela, for example, after government reprisals against the failed anti-Chavez oil management "strike" in the early 2000s, and has had a negative impact on the country's oil production since.

Why can't we just call it brain drain then? Wouldn't that be easier all round?

[Die Neue Zeit]

It came from before Maoism. But anyway, do the Venezuelan comprador-petit-bourgeoisie have a biker gang?

:lol:

Other than the laugh, that's a good question.

(I picked biker gangs as a generic petit-bourgeois example, because the average worker doesn't have a not-so-multipurpose motorbike, much less hang out with a biker gang.)