I'm 18, will I live to see the end of capitalism?

[Cactus]

Provided I at least make it to around 70-75.

[Armchair Partisan]

Maybe yes, maybe no. It's pretty impossible to tell.

[Sinister Intents]

I don't think so, sadly. I'm not much older than you either.

[mushroompizza]

Unfortunately no, thanks a lot Stalin! :glare:

[oneday]

Of course no one can tell for sure, but it seems like since 2008 capitalism has been running in to some hard times. I'm of the opinion that it doesn't have much longer, unless it finds another way to revolutionize the mode of production yet again.

However, whether it will end up with an agreeable socialist system or a total mess is really a question for another poll. A classless society following capitalism is certainly not a given in my opinion.

[Antiochus]

But of that day and hour no one knows, not even the angels of heaven, nor the Son, but the Father alone. :lol:

[motion denied]

I hope so m8

[Rafiq]

It is very possible. This does not mean, however, you will live to see the victory of Communism. Unfortunately this is not an inevitability - the end of capitalism could very well coincide with the end of civilization at best, or the destruction of the human species at worst.

[The Intransigent Faction]

It's going to get worse before it gets better...if it gets better. Plenty can happen in half of a century, but the definitive end of capitalism won't likely happen in that span of time. It will take a struggle for workers just to organize an effective resistance to capital out of the current state of the labour movement, let alone to overthrow capitalism.

[Mr. Piccolo]

Maybe. It is possible, but it looks like capitalism is still going strong right now even with the recent major recession.

[John Nada]

A lot can happen in 50 years. Russia went from the last place on the planet for a revolution, to the royal family and their cook in the ground, in that time span. I'd be surprised if there wasn't any revolutions.

[RebelDog]

If you're 18 don't worry about questions nobody can give an answer to. Get out there and tip the scales a bit.

[cyu]

The question is not whether you'll see someone else end capitalism.

The question is whether you'll be one of the ones who end it.

[Ele'ill]

probably not so what are you going to do anyways

[Slippers]

I hate defeatism in the left. I hate the line of thought that leads to people sitting around and intellectualizing rather than doing anything. Defeatism serves the powers that be and nobody else.

[AidanChrist]

I hate defeatism in the left. I hate the line of thought that leads to people sitting around and intellectualizing rather than doing anything. Defeatism serves the powers that be and nobody else.
The most common argument I hear against leftism is that "It'll never happen so quit dreaming"

[Alet]

I hate defeatism in the left. I hate the line of thought that leads to people sitting around and intellectualizing rather than doing anything. Defeatism serves the powers that be and nobody else.

Exactly. It is pointless to discuss about whether a revolution is to be expectable in the near future, nothing will come of this. The correct answer can only be 'Nobody knows for sure'. In case we come to the conclusion that it is not expectable, we have to make it expectable.

[BIXX]

I hate defeatism in the left. I hate the line of thought that leads to people sitting around and intellectualizing rather than doing anything. Defeatism serves the powers that be and nobody else.
Eh. A lot of people don't believe they will see the end of capitalism but still act. It comes from a different place in them but they do act.

[Slippers]

I'm not saying that they don't - there is a difference, in my eye, between "it may happen long after i am dead but i will still try" and the sort of defeatism I so often see infecting the left. There's certainly no "keep fighting", no messages of hope, nothing to combat alienation in this thread (or elsewhere where these attitudes are present). Just negativity and defeatism.

I will say it: keep fighting always, resistance is never futile.

[Ethics Gradient, Traitor For All Ages]

No there is actually a fuck ton of "resistance" that is in fact totally futile. Fantasies don't pay the bills.

[Lord Testicles]

I hate defeatism in the left. I hate the line of thought that leads to people sitting around and intellectualizing rather than doing anything.

Doing anything I would say is a problematic way of thinking. Why should we be wasting people's time and effort on impotent actions when we could be sitting around and thinking about how we can effectively attack capitalism?

[Comrade Jacob]

It depends how long you live

[RedSonRising]

The beginning of the end.

[lutraphile]

The end, I'd bet no.
The beginning of the end, I'd say probably

(P.S. I am not much older than you and this is also something I wish to see)

[Luís Henrique]

Doing anything I would say is a problematic way of thinking. Why should we be wasting people's time and effort on impotent actions when we could be sitting around and thinking about how we can effectively attack capitalism?

How about we try and do things, and then sit around and discuss what went wrong or right?

I mean, I am all for discussion, but discussion isn't a thing of itself, it needs a subject, and it looks very much like we aren't providing enough of a subject to a discussion on how we can effectively attack capitalism.

Luís Henrique

[Danielle Ni Dhighe]

I lean towards yes, but the real question is whether it will lead to socialism or to barbarism.

[Frid]

I voted yes. I am older but what I see after 2008 is mass panic in the global ruling elite. These people are not stupid. There's got to be a reason they are so panicked. Hard times are revolutionary times, if people have nothing to lose, they are ideologically free, and they have everything to gain. I wouldn't be surprised to see a serious movement in about, let's say, 20 years (at most).

[QuestionableMarxist]

I am 18 also. I am questionable about it's existence in England...but I think definitely not globally.

[JohnnyD]

louis henrique, I don't think skins was makingany type of serious coment. I think he was making satire of "armchair revolutionaries", pontificating about "the struggle", on "popular ""message boards"". Haha

[MarcusJuniusBrutus]

No, something else will likely kill you first. A famine maybe. Sorry, but the older people have really fucked up the ecosystem. :(

[cyu]

I don't think skins was makingany type of serious coment.

The best thing about sarcasm is that even when you're wrong, you're right :grin:

[Luís Henrique]

louis henrique, I don't think skins was makingany type of serious coment. I think he was making satire of "armchair revolutionaries", pontificating about "the struggle", on "popular ""message boards"". Haha

Probably not... but since I have seen this argument made in serious here more than once, I'm not so sure.

Luís Henrique