National Anarchism

[Sinister Intents]

Yep, a deeply seated contradictory ideology. Anarchy meaning without rulers or governance is a hypothesized society which is the same as communism. Anarchy and communism are a tautology, two expressions of the same thing. A stateless, classless society of freely associating producers where the means of production are all held in common by the whole of the society.

Yet some fascists would like to use their parasitic ideology and conflate it with anarchism which is diametrically opposed to nationalism and capitalism.

National Anarchists are third positionist white supremacists, they're the reactionary and opportunistic enemy we must oppose adamantly and crush them.

We actually have one on RevLeft: http://www.revleft.com/vb/member.php?u=194215

Unless they're banned by now. Have fun.

[Armchair Partisan]

Prefixing something with "national" is a good, cheap way to appeal to right-wing people, which is why it's done so often, even when someone knows it's contradictory. (Professional politicians may lie consciously or rationalize their lies for themselves, but either way, they do it all the time.) When the word "national" is reforged into something that evokes warm, fuzzy feelings of "lawful good", and questioning the concept of nation is in turn made to evoke the concentrated essence of "chaotic evil", it's no wonder that politicians go down the path of least resistance and just plaster "national" words, symbols etc. onto whatever they are saying.

I'm more puzzled by things like "anarcho-monarchism" (just Google it...), which is clearly a contradiction even if we just look at the etymology of the word's components. Even from an elitist capitalist perspective, it's stupid.

[Bala Perdida]

There's an active group of them here in the bay. Mostly in San Francisco. They attend tea party rallys and stand along side racist minute men protesters. They also do fucked up shit like protest gay pride rallies. Fucking scum they are. Hope I don't see them today. There's an anarchist event I'm attending.

[Slavic]

So they are libertarians I am assuming?

[Sinister Intents]

So they are libertarians I am assuming?

They're literal fascists using left rhetoric to their advantage. They're anti capitalists advocating a third position. They're petit bourgeois idealists and reactionaries seeking what seems a modern feudalism.

[The Garbage Disposal Unit]

BANHAMMER.

Damn. That shit is satisfying.

[Sinister Intents]

BANHAMMER.

Damn. That shit is satisfying.

OMG THANKS!!! I have had to ban them on Facebook before

[Atsumari]

Jesus at least let the person say something before getting trigger happy. The National anarchist in question seemed to have some identities that would make most right wingers who pride themselves as being politically incorrect angry which makes me wonder if this persons national anarchism is the same one we think of when we hear that tendency

[Comrade Jacob]

Can't reactionaries just leave anarchism alone? They call themselves anarchists to try and be "cool"
2edgy4me

[#FF0000]

Jesus at least let the person say something before getting trigger happy. The National anarchist in question seemed to have some identities that would make most right wingers who pride themselves as being politically incorrect angry which makes me wonder if this persons national anarchism is the same one we think of when we hear that tendency

generally i like to give folks the benefit of the doubt but I don't think this was one of those times.

[The Garbage Disposal Unit]

Jesus at least let the person say something before getting trigger happy. The National anarchist in question seemed to have some identities that would make most right wingers who pride themselves as being politically incorrect angry which makes me wonder if this persons national anarchism is the same one we think of when we hear that tendency

Ernst Rohm was queer. Identity, unfortunately, doesn't confer not-fascist politics.

[consuming negativity]

i'm sure that a national anarchist will be able to find flaws in their ideology without the help of revleft

[Sinister Intents]

i'm sure that a national anarchist will be able to find flaws in their ideology without the help of revleft

I don't know dude, there are democrats and republicans, and they're a crock of idiots politically, they're duped by society and the media. People believe some really crazy shit.

[consuming negativity]

I don't know dude, there are democrats and republicans, and they're a crock of idiots politically, they're duped by society and the media. People believe some really crazy shit.

if they don't figure things out for themselves then it doesn't matter. you can't tell anyone anything when they have a closed mind. and if their mind is open, they'll figure it out and move on.

[cyu]

Sometimes people pretending to be "national anarchists" may just be traditional conservatives or "security-state" liberals in reality, playing a role on the internet for various reasons.

Kind of like how I'm an NSA agent, pretending to be an anti-capitalist anarchist ;)

[ChangeAndChance]

More like 3edgy5me. "National Anarchism" is thing especially in the Deep South and, for some reason, the Bay Area. There's one on YouTube and his videos are a treasure trove of facepalms and yelling at your computer screen.

[Mr. Piccolo]

More like 3edgy5me. "National Anarchism" is thing especially in the Deep South and, for some reason, the Bay Area. There's one on YouTube and his videos are a treasure trove of facepalms and yelling at your computer screen.

I vaguely recall the group in the Bay Area calling for the creation of a "white homeland" in the American Pacific Northwest. Racism is the common thread in National Anarchism.

[mushroompizza]

So I went on the National Anarchist Movements website and this is my opinion. It seems that edgy punk anarchists some tough nazi skinheads and 2 or 3 hippies got together and made a philosophy. They want society to be reduced to anarchic tribes of ethnicity sparking race wars and living of the land while respecting the environment. :confused:

[BIXX]

More like 3edgy5me. "National Anarchism" is thing especially in the Deep South and, for some reason, the Bay Area. There's one on YouTube and his videos are a treasure trove of facepalms and yelling at your computer screen.
Fucking links

[Sinister Intents]

Fucking links

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http://www.national-anarchist.net/?m=1

[keine_zukunft]

national anarchists often say they are for the 'nation' and against the state. I think for national anarchists the idea of nation something of a tribal community thing.

[Sinister Intents]

national anarchists often say they are for the 'nation' and against the state. I think for national anarchists the idea of nation something of a tribal community thing.

They view their nation as comprising only white people and completely segregate groups that aren't "white" from themselves. They're fascists that seem to want a kind of feudalism

[JayBro47]

AnZis are hostile to a Jewish existence in Europe...as well as in Palestine. They are basically NAZIS, not even separatists.

Better UKIP and National Front: these organizations don't argue for the type of racial-purity they do, nor antisemitism.

All these types of groups: Third-Positionism, New Resistance, National Anarchism, Autonomous-Nationalists, Anti-NATO Russian Ultra-Nationalists, all bad.

[Sperm-Doll Setsuna]

Better UKIP and National Front: these organizations don't argue for the type of racial-purity they do, nor antisemitism.


Are you a troll or are you just taking a piss

[keine_zukunft]

They view their nation as comprising only white people and completely segregate groups that aren't "white" from themselves. They're fascists that seem to want a kind of feudalism

yes clearly they want a segregated white community hence why they often rename national anarchism tribal anarchism. they also advocate alot of them a postmodern version of racial separatism called racial pluralism a theory largely derived from french thinker alian de benoiste. which kind of about people sticking to their parts of the world and not mixing. but essentially it seems like a linguistic tactic to hide their violence.

national anarchism unlike the autonomous nationalist scene is full of dual meaning shady meta political lingo to cover up the fact that it's basically a form of non hierarchical national socialism that has been rebranded. I think it is wrong to confused the an scene with national anarchism they are infact pretty different and the an scene despite the black bloc aesthetic is pretty old school politically.

[cyu]

Not directly related, but reminded me of this from a Facebook discussion about the Boston Marathon trial:

"my concern is for the behavior of Americans in situations like this. The dancing in the streets after terrorists hunts, the demands for more death and off hand remarks cannot be good for society or for the American image. I'm deeply concerned about this and what impact it has on our youth."

"If Hitler could do it, any "well-controlled" media campaign can incite any amount of hatred for anything."

[G4b3n]

In the 1920s, the term socialism had a sort of moral force as well as political legitimacy that we couldn't even conceive of today, and we see how appropriation of the term played out in Germany. Now with anarchy being the least stigmatized terms to describe radical grassroots organization, it is in the process of being appropriated in the same manner. Similar situation with the term "libertarian" in the 1950s.

[G4b3n]

Not directly related, but reminded me of this from a Facebook discussion about the Boston Marathon trial:

"my concern is for the behavior of Americans in situations like this. The dancing in the streets after terrorists hunts, the demands for more death and off hand remarks cannot be good for society or for the American image. I'm deeply concerned about this and what impact it has on our youth."

"If Hitler could do it, any "well-controlled" media campaign can incite any amount of hatred for anything."

But are we really on the correct grounds to be criticizing the inciting of hatred in general? We are not liberals. There are those we hate and typically intensely and with great passion. They are just not the marginalized and impoverished.

[cyu]

You know how Christians say "hate the sin, not the sinner"? I'd say that is something that helps the spread of Christianity. If the "sinner" believes they are "unredeemable" then they'd fight Christianity all the harder. If the "sinner" believes they can be "saved" if they do X, then instead of having a block from being infected by the memeplex, they become a possible new vector for infection.

Similarly, if a classless society prevents the kind of behavior leftists hate, then it isn't so much that certain people would be killed in a classless society, but that they wouldn't be able to (or wouldn't be motivated to) engage in such behavior in the first place. This isn't to said I'm a pacifist - in fact I'd say the ruling class likes to push non-violence only to ensure the slaves are easier to defeat.

[Tim Cornelis]

National Anarchism = nationalist mob rule.

[JayBro47]

AnZis are worse than UKIP. They pose as even more anti-establishment.

[Viktor89]

The fascists always steal ideas and styles from the left, to look attractive to some idiots who are easily fooled. Populism. The national-syndicalists (Falange) is one example, national socialism another, or natbol. They don't understand that if you put national before a word like socialism or anarchy it's no longer socialism or anarchy. It is the same stinking fascist crap as always, just new words. The nazis copied black bloc style, they have tried making hiphop and other music, even nazi reggae here in Sweden, which of course people just laugh at. Their own ideology is so empty.

[cyu]

Sounds like the same type of people who fund http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prosperity_theology :lol:

[keine_zukunft]

The fascists always steal ideas and styles from the left, to look attractive to some idiots who are easily fooled. Populism. The national-syndicalists (Falange) is one example, national socialism another, or natbol. They don't understand that if you put national before a word like socialism or anarchy it's no longer socialism or anarchy. It is the same stinking fascist crap as always, just new words. The nazis copied black bloc style, they have tried making hiphop and other music, even nazi reggae here in Sweden, which of course people just laugh at. Their own ideology is so empty.

True but it does show that they are aware of changing youth subcultures and that they must adapt. as for the black bloc thing that is essentially just a tactic and not specifically an anarchist thing perse. I mean here they copy the antifa flags not so much anymore but you still see it.

I think national anarchism has it's roots in the concept of 'the anarch' which i believe comes from ernst Junger.

[Viktor89]

That is what I mean, the antifa copied flags, the hiphop look, or casual hooligan look also, they try to infiltrate a lot of genres and styles to spread their hatred.

[Popular Front of Judea]

If you were ever curious what a 'third position anarchist' would look like, look no further:

http://attackthesystem.com/

[mushroompizza]

I feel like this shit is gonna replace fascist movements. Because after the fall of Hitler no one wants to openly admit "hey that guy who just shot himself in a bunker was a pretty cool due". I think this is what racists are looking for, plus the anarchist title gives it that edgy feel.

[cyu]

Racism, like any ideology, is learned. There aren't really any innate reasons for anybody to be racist. So the question is, what motivates others to want to teach racism to children?

[mushroompizza]

Racism can be learned, its basic psychology. If someone appears different they can become socially othered if not taught other wise. Prejudice exists because of the differences of humans, the groups of differences, and generalizations. Racism can be fought by learning or experience.

[The_Southern_Leftist]

National-Anarchism is essentially a synthesis of tribalism and soft primitivism. They want to segregate into tribes, different tribes for different races, and then want to (as others have said) live of the land and keep mother nature pure. They do all this while still wanting to have some modern aides. However, if it was implemented I see it developing in two ways not explicitly apart of National-Anarchist doctrine.
1.A power would emerge and develop a tribal group from a form of anarchy into a corporatist super state. This would eliminate the soft primitivism and would resurrect fascism in the National-Anarchist world.
Or
2.From the racial and tribal warfare that would develop from such a system, hard primitivism would emerge. Most of humanity would be wiped out and the remaining members would plunge further into deep ecology and eventually anarcho-primitivism.

[StromboliFucker666]

They basically advocate "racialism" with social anarchist means of organization. So they would have all white people living in Europe, all black people living in africa, etc


It's a pretty idiotic movement when you really think about it. How would they force people to move without using authority which would contradict anarchism? There are a lot more things to say about it but I'm fucking lazy.

[QueerVanguard]

It's the logical outcome of Bakunin and Proudhon's well-known racist history. Anarchists can try to disown it all they like, but the proof is in the pudding.

[StromboliFucker666]

It's the logical outcome of Bakunin and Proudhon's well-known racist history. Anarchists can try to disown it all they like, but the proof is in the pudding.
While I agree that Bakunin and Proudhun were racist, that does not make all anarchism racist or discredit the movement as a whole. You can agree with someone on one issue but disagree on another. I don't agree with everything marx has said over the years but that does not discredit all of marxism.

[cyu]

After people learn to spot and point out https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Association_fallacy then much of the old ways of doing politics would be dead.

...including racism...

[Sasha]

After people learn to spot and point out https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Association_fallacy then much of the old ways of doing politics would be dead..

yup, seen the leaked internal memorandum on how newdemocracy (the greek pro austerity party) planned on winning the referendum?
"do not ask 'why are the banks closed?' but ask 'under which government did the banks close?'"

[cyu]

"do not ask 'why are the banks closed?' but ask 'under which government did the banks close?'"


Lol - sometimes all you can do is facepalm :laugh:

[StromboliFucker666]

After people learn to spot and point out (link wuz here) then much of the old ways of doing politics would be dead.

...including racism...

It's rather easy to do in most cases although some people will hide it within the details of what they say so they can make their point without facing the criticism for using logical fallacies instead of actually responding to the other person's argument.


Holy run on sentence batman!