The kinderladen movement

[Rafiq]

First and foremost, I don't want to start a debate about them. Rather, I was wondering how significant the movement was in representing the German left, and whether or not cases of abuse, neglect and mistreatment were as widespread there as described by the press. Did a significant amount of them grow up to have psychological problems or trauma?

If anyone has information on them in general, this would be of great use, I.e. to counteract right wing claims regarding the "Left's" history of child abuse.

[Rafiq]

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[Creative Destruction]

no clue, dude. (aka pity reply)

[hexaune]

What was/is the kinderladen movement? I tried using google but it just came up with a load of pages with the same antisemitic article and after two paragraphs that didn't seem to get beyond paranoid descriptions of communism as a jewish conspiracy and Karl Marx as the devil incarnate I gave up!

[Rafiq]

A lot of the controversy stems from the Spiegel article: http://www.spiegel.de/international/zeitgeist/the-sexual-revolution-and-children-how-the-left-took-things-too-far-a-702679.html

[Ceallach_the_Witch]

i've never heard of this movement but I think there was a school/social experiment in the UK in the 60s/70s which operated along similar lines - like you mentioned in that other thread, that 'one of the tenets was that punishing children at all, in any way shape or form, or even interfering with their autonomy in any shape or form was harmful to their development (as revolutionaries.)' Unfortunately I read the article a few years ago and I can't remember the name of this school but I'm sure it wouldn't be overly hard to search for.

[DOOM]

Yeah I remember how Die Grünen have made some stupid statements concerning the relationship between adults and children.

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I believe Cohn-Bendit talks a little about the kinderladen. They're speaking french and the subtitles are in german though.

[Sasha]

i guess it was revleft in a larger scale, some much needed critical rethinking about sexual morality got hijacked by perves...

my mom was a progressive sex-ed teacher in the 60's, she still got some books that if you would trade in them today would probably land you in prison.

bad things happened, bad things always happen though, did they give too much room to creepy individuals to define what a healthy sexual relationship was? absolutely, was this misguided idealism and still a lot more considerate than what happens at every conservative place that deal with children like the scouts and the church, absolutely too.

[Rafiq]

While it's a given that abuses did happen, were they completely definitive of the movement? If not, how did the children tend to grow up, were the methods in raising them outside of sexual matters (I.e. not inhibiting their autonomy) actually effective?

[blake 3:17]

There's about a century or so long of 'progressive' education that would seem have some connection to the ideas of this movement.

I attended an school as a teenager that was very much influenced by ideas of the New Left and it worked well for some people and not so well for others. I generally discourage my friends from putting their young children in schools like it, unless they've got some strong motivation (that isn't stupid). Here the 'alternative' kindergartens have the lowest vaccination rates.

There's a whole set of complicated questions which I'm inferring from this, but I don't know enough about this particular movement other than the scandals.