My friend is a fascist!

[mushroompizza]

Help! My friend today told me he was a "National Socialist", I think he has spent too much time on /pol/ on 4chan (not even a little joking). What can I do to convince him otherwise? By the way last month he was an "Individualist Anarchist". He told me the holocaust was exaggerated and that killing jews was a misstep.:(

[BIXX]

Well, your friend is pretty far gone. Go grab a brick, its the only way.

[BITW434]

Your friend is a fascist? Is that not a contradiction in terms?

[Sewer Socialist]

Verbally berate him, and tell him you won't be friends with a fascist. Hopefully that's actually true.

Here is some specific information on the topic - http://www.revleft.com/vb/holocaust-proof-t128842/index.html

Given that your "friend" is quickly moving through completely antithetical political positions, he will realize soon enough that fascists (and 4chan idiots) are assholes. If not, don't be friends.

My impression of 4chan is that's a bunch of "forever alone" misogynists and white people with a persecution complex.

[cyu]

If he's changing ideologies month-by-month, he probably doesn't really have a clue what he believes, and is just randomly grabbing at whatever happens by. You might try introducing him to vast amounts of random literature, including Scientology and Juggalo :grin:

[mushroompizza]

Im not going to abandon him as a friend because he is a nice guy, I just hope that I can get him out of this fascist phase as fast as possible.

[#FF0000]

You know who actually has some really good advice for something like this?

Andrew WK. (link) (http://blogs.villagevoice.com/music/2015/03/ask_andrew_wk_bigotry.php)

The advice column I linked here is someone writing in about how their friend being a bigot and what to do about it, which is pretty much the same boat you're in. And I'm posting it because I've found that the direct, not-so-angry route usually works best, i.e. telling your friend that you're disappointed in them, how awful they sound saying ignorant shit, and how you know they're better than that, as opposed to attacking them verbally. I'd drop the dude, though, if he's gonna just wallow in his ignorance like this. You say he's a "nice dude" but someone can only be so "nice" when they're a fascist -- like how "nice" people who are rude to wait staff aren't really "nice".

[BITW434]

Im not going to abandon him as a friend because he is a nice guy, I just hope that I can get him out of this fascist phase as fast as possible.
I had a friend all through high school who I thought was decent but then he turned into one of those EDL nationalist types so we naturally grew apart.

I don't mean preach at you, but I personally couldn't hang around with somebody who had such reactionary far-right views.

[RedWorker]

He's obviously trying out several viewpoints and people's reactions to them, given that a month ago he was an anarchist. If you make it look like it's a big deal that he's a Nazi, that may be playing into it. Instead, try to ignore it for a while, pretend that you don't care at all. Make sure that he doesn't get any attention.

If it continues then you need to probe him. Why is he a Nazi? What emotional and psychological needs does he fulfill with that? What are his ultimate political goals? He won't answer these questions directly, you have to check around.

Usually with Nazis of the style you described it is not about a real political goal - it is more about fulfilling personal needs and a lifestyle. He feels he 'belongs' there. The particular ideology, Nazism in this case, is not relevant: anything could be filling these needs - Marxism, anarchism, etc. He probably needs to feel like an intellectual, or "different". You need to make sure that you aren't confirming, playing right into what he wants by being a Nazi.

Try argumenting about whether Nazism truly fulfils its positive ideals (e.g. achieving the common good for the nation). Try attracting him to left-wing nationalism or other such ideas.

[Rafiq]

In consideration of what it actually means to be a friend, what personal predispositions allow for someone to identify as such, and what does it say about yourself if these are characteristics you're willing to excuse?

It's not a matter of political correctness. One cannot possibly befriend one who festers in darkness and filth without degrading their ethical, political and ideological standards. So the advice is simple: how important is this all to you? The apolitical, even the bourgeois liberals (including conservatives) can be excused. But the reaction, the degenerate soldiers of what is most rotten to the core of life, the insistence upon THE insistence... This cannot be wavered.

[Anglo-Saxon Philistine]

My sincere advice is to not bother. It will save you a lot of nerve in the long term. Just ignore him.

[Sea]

and that killing jews was a misstep.:(Well in his defense it was kind of a bad move.

[mushroompizza]

Well hes not a skinhead, actually hes kind of a nerdy hippie. I dont see his beliefs becoming problems in everyday life, like he doesn't not talk to black kids or anything like that. I think hes just a 4chan Nazi who has fallen too deep into the /pol/ shit posting. This morning we had an educated political debate, nothing crazy like "Kill these fuckin niggers", "no asshole workers must rise!", just conversation. Was wondering if you guys had any ideas on how to convince him to leave Fascism?

[#FF0000]

Was wondering if you guys had any ideas on how to convince him to leave Fascism?

Well, like I said, you can't make him change his mind. All you can do is express how disappointed you are that he'd stew in ignorance on 4chan, of all places.

[Antiochus]

Your friend is a fascist? Not a problem. Fasci-itis can be cured with the following aggressive treatments (the more prompt, the better):

http://thecommonsenseshow.com/siteupload/2013/06/guillotine-1.png

If you are too squeamish, you could hire this broke ass boxer to pummel him to death for you:
http://www.miketysoncares.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/Mike-Tyson-0081-225x225.jpg

[#FF0000]

I thought Mike Tyson was doing alright these days. Doesn't he have his own cartoon now?

[Redistribute the Rep]

Well, you don't want him to feel like he's being personally attacked, so you should bake him a cake

http://www.revleft.com/vb/attachment.php?attachmentid=9572&stc=1&d=1428361435

[Palmares]

Come out to your "friend" as gay, and say you've discovered that you are part Jewish and black.

See how your "friendship" goes from there. :lol:

This is a joke! Maybe...

[Sinister Intents]

Yeah, you're better ignoring him and letting the relationship grow apart with these types. I've tried, it can hurt you in the long run to be around bigoted morons. I quickly ended a relationship with a white supremacist years ago because he kept hurting me intentionally hurting me, I even thought he was nice until I just snapped and realized that this person wasn't good to be around or associate with.

[Asero]

Well, like I said, you can't make him change his mind. All you can do is express how disappointed you are that he'd stew in ignorance on 4chan, of all places.

Hey, I go to 4chan...

[Bala Perdida]

I have a friend that is gay and fascinated by Hitler. It's weird but he's still a much better person than most of my family.

[#FF0000]

Hey, I go to 4chan...

I'm sorry to hear that.

I do like the imageboard format tho. A shame that it tends to breed garbage communities.

[Creative Destruction]

I have a friend that is gay and fascinated by Hitler. It's weird but he's still a much better person than most of my family.

weird. i know a dude like that. except he admires mussolini.

[consuming negativity]

post a picture of mussolini's hanging corpse on his facebook wall

i'm pretty sure engels did that to one of his fascist friends once and it was hilarious

[Cliff Paul]

Hey, I go to 4chan...

why

[Palmares]

post a picture of mussolini's hanging corpse on his facebook wall

i'm pretty sure engels did that to one of his fascist friends once and it was hilarious

You're facebook friends with Engels? Marx aswell? Are you a follower of Engels and Marx on top of that? I bet their twitter accounts have some zingin' quotes from all those drug and alcohol infused communist parties they hold.

[1xAntifa]

I had a friend and we had gone through some stuff. We lost contact for a couple of years and reconnected through another friend. It was all absolutely icebox until someone bombed Tripoli way back in 1986. On hearing this news, our mutual friend declared that 'world war III was going to start and he was saved'. As for we heathens, we were going to burn. Charmed I'm sure. Turns out he'd fallen in with some whack job Christian mob. We on the other hand rode bikes, drank beer and hung out checking out the scenery in Kings Cross. Anyway he went off to be saved and we had another beer. Life's like that.

[RA89]

What kind of stupid things does he believe?

You could probably disprove all of them one by one if you cared.

[Antiochus]

I can sort of see why a servile person would admire Hitler given his "power" and "achievements", but Mussolini? Sort of like admiring the wrestler that never won a fight and was more of the circus clown.

[BIXX]

I can sort of see why a servile person would admire Hitler given his "power" and "achievements", but Mussolini? Sort of like admiring the wrestler that never won a fight and was more of the circus clown.
I'm sorry but I suspect you don't know much about mussolini.

[Redistribute the Rep]

I can sort of see why a servile person would admire Hitler given his "power" and "achievements", but Mussolini? Sort of like admiring the wrestler that never won a fight and was more of the circus clown.

Hitler failed at pretty much everything he did. He was a shit artist, and then invaded the SU which was a massive facepalm

[cyu]

i'm pretty sure engels did that to one of his fascist friends once and it was hilarious

You're facebook friends with Engels?

Engels unfriended me :(

[cyu]

I can't imagine fascism being something people would still be talking about a few thousand years from now - maybe at most as a footnote in history. Seems even people like Alexander the Great just end up being footnotes, and you'd actually have to explicitly research him to learn anything. Are religious figures the only ones that still play a significant role in people's lives long after they're gone? A few thousand years from now, what would they say of our contemporaries? I suspect we'll all be considered a bunch of nobodies ...just like most centuries just produce a bunch of nobodies :grin:

[Antiochus]

I don't think you have any clue what my comment was about.

At least Hitlerites can point to 'Hitler' conquering most of continental Europe and bringing Britain the USSR to their knees. What can Mussolini point to besides his disastrous invasion of Greece (lol)? His joke of an attack on British Egypt (vs ~40,000 British troops). Keep in mind that fascists kids are usually drawn by military regalia and "victories". Mussolini had none. Well, he did massacre defenseless Ethiopians.

[cyu]

Besides a few cultists, nobody takes either Hitler or Mussolini seriously any more (the Insane Clown Posse of the political world :lol: ). Marx seems to have outlasted both of them.

[Trap Queen Voxxy]

Well, your friend is pretty far gone. Go grab a brick, its the only way.

That's inhumane, firstly, and secondly the jolt of adrenaline and possible physical exertion should they attempt to flee would make the meat tough and chewy and finally, said blunt force trauma might damage the pelt and making mounting more expensive and difficult. A 22 or other smaller caliber fire arm would be seem preferable in this case.

[BIXX]

Who cares if marx outlasted hitler

[Trap Queen Voxxy]

Who cares if marx outlasted hitler

I'm assuming both parties, Hitler and Marx, would probably care.

[BIXX]

But I mean, its like saying my stick is better than your poop when the enemies that control society have assault rifles.

[consuming negativity]

You're facebook friends with Engels? Marx aswell? Are you a follower of Engels and Marx on top of that? I bet their twitter accounts have some zingin' quotes from all those drug and alcohol infused communist parties they hold.

oh no lol, i was just making a joke


But I mean, its like saying my stick is better than your poop when the enemies that control society have assault rifles.

there are parts of africa where you can get an ak-47 for next to nothing

meanwhile, in the free world, you can't even get it with the original grip

[BIXX]

oh no lol, i was just making a joke



there are parts of africa where you can get an ak-47 for next to nothing

meanwhile, in the free world, you can't even get it with the original grip

Honestly I have no idea where you live but all my life my family has practically had AKs thrown at us

[Palmares]

oh no lol, i was just making a joke

So was I!!! :lol:

[consuming negativity]

Honestly I have no idea where you live but all my life my family has practically had AKs thrown at us

not real, fully functioning ones, unless you know people that i don't (or have a lot of money, maybe)...

[BIXX]

not real, fully functioning ones, unless you know people that i don't (or have a lot of money, maybe)...
To make them fully functional requires a small modification to the trigger assembly. However for me fully functional tends to be a waste of money ;)

Also yeah no AKs have been super cheap- I am wondering if it has to do with the state you live in. NJ, CA, NY (I believe), among others, are bad for guns, so perhaps inflated prices locally? Idk.

[Sea]

I'm sorry to hear that.

I do like the imageboard format tho. A shame that it tends to breed garbage communities.7chan has a board /v/ - the vinyard dedicated to gentlemen enjoying fine wines by sticking their weewees in it. They call the practice 'dipping'. Maybe you should try going there?
whyfurry porn duh

[Asero]

why

4 le ebin dank maymays

[BIXX]

7chan has a board /v/ - the vinyard dedicated to gentlemen enjoying fine wines by sticking their weewees in it. They call the practice 'dipping'. Maybe you should try going there?

Bullshit. I can't believe you.

But I'm totally going to that sounds awesome.

[Sea]

Bullshit. I can't believe you.

But I'm totally going to that sounds awesome.I'll say this in advance:

I told ya so. ;)

[mushroompizza]

Does your dong add flavor or something? What if youre a girl, do you miss out? SO MANY QUESTIONS!!!!!!:confused:

[ChangeAndChance]

I feel like this thread's really gone downhill.

[motion denied]

I feel like this thread's really gone downhill.

Well it did start with a fascist friend. Not like the prospects were that good anyway.

[BIXX]

Honestly this is one of the best threads there been since I've been on revleft.

[cyu]

From the point of view of actually discussing fascism and where it is in the world, it's not really getting anywhere.

From the point of view of everything sucks, I just want to watch the world burn, well, come to think of it, when you have a failed state, whether resulting from capitalism, feudalism, warlordism, corruption, incompetence, or some other type of authoritarian structure, there are strains of the same kind of "nihilist" anger common to all sorts of radical ideologies, even if they end up going in different and opposite directions (and even end up fighting each other on the political and military battlefields).

I guess the only thing they can all agree on is that the previous administration was an abject failure. If you wanted to find common ground among the various post-collapse parties, instead of arguing with them on where their paths have taken them after the collapse, it may be easier to walk them back to the shared branch of the ideological family tree, when all parties finally decided the previous system was crap.

[Sea]

Does your dong add flavor or something?Other way around. :9
What if youre a girl, do you miss out? SO MANY QUESTIONS!!!!!!:confused:There's a complimentary practice to dipping, called dabbing.
From the point of view of actually discussing fascism and where it is in the world, it's not really getting anywhere.

From the point of view of everything sucks, I just want to watch the world burn, well, come to think of it, when you have a failed state, whether resulting from capitalism, feudalism, warlordism, corruption, incompetence, or some other type of authoritarian structure, there are strains of the same kind of "nihilist" anger common to all sorts of radical ideologies, even if they end up going in different and opposite directions (and even end up fighting each other on the political and military battlefields).

I guess the only thing they can all agree on is that the previous administration was an abject failure. If you wanted to find common ground among the various post-collapse parties, instead of arguing with them on where their paths have taken them after the collapse, it may be easier to walk them back to the shared branch of the ideological family tree, when all parties finally decided the previous system was crap.But after you get back to there, you all have to decide once again how to move forward. Then the problems and bickering will start all over again when the fascist wants one way and the communist another, the anarchist a third and so on.

[cyu]

Everyone just wants to be happy.

...either that or a beer - hard to tell...

Don't mean to be flippant, but I'd say in fact that everyone does just want to be happy. However, sometimes that happiness is wrapped up in the "correctness" of the ideology they've chosen to follow, such that if their ideology is "defeated" then they feel unhappy. If you wanted to flank that, you'd have to disentangle their identification with the ideology, such that their sense of self-esteem is no longer associated with the correctness of the ideology. Saying "only an idiot can believe what you believe" would probably be counter-productive. It would probably be hard to get them to associate with an opposing ideology, but might be easier to instead get them attached to something relatively unrelated, for example, their artistic or athletic ability.

[Comrade Jacob]

Tell him why national socialism is not socialism. If it is the socialism he is interested in then surely you can bring him around. Good luck.

[Viktor89]

Talk politics with him/her, make your friend realize how racism is dividing the working class and is only good for the rich, how stupid it is to hate a whole people or nation, as there is good and bad people in every country. Teach your friend about how the bourgeois and the capitalists was the ones who gave the nazi movement money, so that they could beat and kill socialists and workers on strike, and so on. Make your friend see that fascism/nazism is the most anti-worker ideology that exists. They are guarding the capitalist system with violence to make sure the rich stays rich and the oppressed stays oppressed and poor.

[JayBro47]

It's a laughable/enraging :laugh::mad: shame that the internet humor/memes has literally spread Nazism to elements of people.

What can you say to him? That the holocaust was considered the WORST CRIME in HISTORY back in 1942 and therefore was not just a misstep, it was going well on it's way from 1942-1943, (Chelmno, Sobidor, Operation Reinhardt) not just an end-of-war chaotic mess where Jewry died collaterally during Allied destruction of Germany, Starvation, etc. Tell him holocaust is worst thing ever. Tell him the Italian Fascists were not antisemitic or racialist and didn't participate in the holocaust. Wean him from Nazism --> Italian Fascism --> Social Democracy --> ???
Tell him Communism respects national-self-determination and freedom for all ethnic groups as well as social justice for the people. Tell him that antisemitism, while some of it might be based on some factual things, he is not seeing the context: That while Jewry represented elements of Capitalism, Middle-Men, Finance, Trade, Business they were not the *only* elements within that, and that Landed Aristocracy/Feudalism/Gentry was decidely non-Jewish, that Jewish Heritage/Bankers aren't any *worse* than Militarists, Aristocracy, Industrialists, Barons, etc, that Socialists believe Capitalism is a more Progressive Stage than Feudalism. Tell him /Pol/ is garbage. Tell him the Left is far and wide, although we have common agreements, opposition to Nazism being primary. There is Anarchism, to Leninism, to Social-Democracy, etc. Tell him as Communists we disagree with the Communist States themselves. We think Russia in the 1960's to it's end was Social-Imperialist, or we believe that Anarchism is the way to go, that Socialism was achieved but not Communism, or that State-Capitalism was achieved, etc. Tell him though anti-Nazism is where we draw the line. Tell him Communism is open to all humanity of all ethnic/racial groups. It's a big-tent ethnically, but a small tent ideologically. And that we are scientists, following the line of history and economics. He should get on the train of progress or stand aside.

[mushroompizza]

I think if memes were about Socialism and his dad didnt die he would be a socialist.
Isn't there a thing like that most neo-Nazis have problems in the home, (like not having a dad)?

[index]

National Socialism and Communism aren't enemies, more like rivals. Fascism is Italian.

Some quotes that I like:

"This man Hitler was even more ferocious. The more ferocious the better don't you think? The more people you kill, the more revolutionary you are." - Mao Zedong

"We are socialists, we are enemies of today’s capitalistic economic system for the exploitation of the economically weak, with its unfair salaries, with its unseemly evaluation of a human being according to wealth and property instead of responsibility and performance, and we are determined to destroy this system under all conditions." - Adolf Hitler

"Since I am an immature and wicked man, war and unrest appeal to me more than good bourgeois order. Brutality is respected, the people need wholesome fear. They want to fear someone. They want someone to frighten them and make them shudderingly submissive." - Ernst Röhm

"Death is the solution to all problems. No man - no problem." - Joseph Stalin

"The only real power comes out of a long rifle." - Joseph Stalin

"Let us have a dagger between our teeth, a bomb in our hands, and an infinite scorn in our hearts." - Benito Mussolini

"For my part I prefer fifty thousand rifles to five million votes." - Benito Mussolini

and the proof of the matter from the "Nazism" wikipedia page says:

Propaganda Minister Joseph Goebbels had stressed the socialist character of Nazism, and claimed in his diary in the 1920s that if he were to pick between Bolshevism and capitalism, he said "in final analysis", "it would be better for us to go down with Bolshevism than live in eternal slavery under capitalism."

[Counterculturalist]

Is it just me, or are there a lot of fucking morons posting here lately?

[Sinister Intents]

National Socialism and Communism aren't enemies, more like rivals. Fascism is Italian.

Some quotes that I like:

"This man Hitler was even more ferocious. The more ferocious the better don't you think? The more people you kill, the more revolutionary you are." - Mao Zedong

"We are socialists, we are enemies of today’s capitalistic economic system for the exploitation of the economically weak, with its unfair salaries, with its unseemly evaluation of a human being according to wealth and property instead of responsibility and performance, and we are determined to destroy this system under all conditions." - Adolf Hitler

"Since I am an immature and wicked man, war and unrest appeal to me more than good bourgeois order. Brutality is respected, the people need wholesome fear. They want to fear someone. They want someone to frighten them and make them shudderingly submissive." - Ernst Röhm

"Death is the solution to all problems. No man - no problem." - Joseph Stalin

"The only real power comes out of a long rifle." - Joseph Stalin

"Let us have a dagger between our teeth, a bomb in our hands, and an infinite scorn in our hearts." - Benito Mussolini

"For my part I prefer fifty thousand rifles to five million votes." - Benito Mussolini

and the proof of the matter from the "Nazism" wikipedia page says:

Propaganda Minister Joseph Goebbels had stressed the socialist character of Nazism, and claimed in his diary in the 1920s that if he were to pick between Bolshevism and capitalism, he said "in final analysis", "it would be better for us to go down with Bolshevism than live in eternal slavery under capitalism."

Did you think before posting this? Are you literally fucking drawing parallels between two opposing ideologies? Fascism and communism are diametrically opposed, and to see any correlation between the two is a sign of some serious delusions and cognitive dissonance.

[index]

Did you think before posting this? Are you literally fucking drawing parallels between two opposing ideologies? Fascism and communism are diametrically opposed, and to see any correlation between the two is a sign of some serious delusions and cognitive dissonance.
Capitalism is the ultimate enemy of the two ideologies.

[cyu]

Is it just me, or are there a lot of fucking morons posting here lately?
The more the attempts to discredit communism, the more the ruling class indicates they are in a state of panic.

Just look at their attempts to outlaw cash - if that's not Magikarp flailing around, I don't know what is =D

[#FF0000]

Capitalism is the ultimate enemy of the two ideologies.

Fascism is capitalism though. Fascism developed historically in failing capitalist states that were on the verge of communist upheaval. Fascists were the cudgel used to maintain the bourgeois state through naked force and state violence.

[Armchair Partisan]

Well, we could say Nazism and Juche are more like rivals than enemies. Doesn't say anything about actual communism, though.

[The Intransigent Faction]

@Index: None of what you just pulled out of your ass has any relevance to the actual political (socioeconomic) conditions of Nazi Germany vs. a communist society, even if that's an accurate representation of Goebbels' views of Bolshevism.

[index]

Well, we could say Nazism and Juche are more like rivals than enemies. Doesn't say anything about actual communism, though.
Juche is the new NATIONAL SOCIALISM.

[Counterculturalist]

There's a whole lot of horseshit... I mean horseshoe theory going on around here these days. No, come to think of it, horseshit sounds about right.

Isn't there some kind of third-positionist forum you assholes could join?

[Sewer Socialist]

So you are a National Socialist? Would you mind fucking off, please?

[The Disillusionist]

Im not going to abandon him as a friend because he is a nice guy, I just hope that I can get him out of this fascist phase as fast as possible.

Another contradiction in terms. I'm a pretty tolerant guy, but no way in hell would I spend any more time than absolutely necessary with a holocaust denier. The guy might be nice as an individual, but his ideologies are flat-out psychopathic.

Oh, and his stint with "individualist anarchism" should have been a warning sign. Those people are nuts, only one small step removed from anarcho-capitalists in my opinion.

[index]

There's a whole lot of horseshit... I mean horseshoe theory going on around here these days.
National Socialism is SOCIALISM. National SOCIALIST German WORKERS Party.
Fascism is Italian. They are also ANTI-CAPITALIST.

Feminism is bourgeois. The original feminism was all about gaining suffrage and jobs within a democratic CAPITALIST system. It still is about gaining rights WITHIN the CAPITALIST system.

Anarchism is simply impossible. How will you defeat the zionist capitalist system (the longest lasting mafia in history) without absolute leaders and chain of command?

Horseshoe theory usually is right. Joseph Stalin purged zionism from his country and was allied with Adolf Hitler. They were socialist twins.

[The Disillusionist]

Fascism is capitalism though. Fascism developed historically in failing capitalist states that were on the verge of communist upheaval. Fascists were the cudgel used to maintain the bourgeois state through naked force and state violence.

Yeah, this is the typical argument, and to some degree it's true... but it's also dangerous.

I don't think that we should pretend that "true" Communism is the opposite of fascism, and capitalism and fascism are the same thing. Communism can slip into fascism very easily, as can capitalism, if you let them. Fascism must be carefully avoided in any stage of political governance.

[The Disillusionist]

National Socialism is SOCIALISM. National SOCIALIST German WORKERS Party.
Fascism is Italian. They are also ANTI-CAPITALIST.

Feminism is bourgeois. The original feminism was all about gaining suffrage and jobs within a democratic CAPITALIST system. It still is about gaining rights WITHIN the CAPITALIST system.

Anarchism is simply impossible. How will you defeat the zionist capitalist system (the longest lasting mafia in history) without absolute leaders and chain of command?

Horseshoe theory usually is right. Joseph Stalin purged zionism from his country and was allied with Adolf Hitler. They were socialist twins.

:huh:



Feminism is bourgeois. The original feminism was all about gaining suffrage and jobs within a democratic CAPITALIST system. It still is about gaining rights WITHIN the CAPITALIST system.


:blink:

This is just like a lot of other arguments I've seen on this site... "Anything even remotely associated with a capitalist context must be bourgeois." Some people on this site can spot bourgeois-ness in just about damn near everything. It's like a pre-canned response to any argument no one agrees with.... "I don't like this, it must be bourgeois!" :rolleyes:

But seriously, feminism is not bourgeois, it should be present in any political system. It might pander to capitalism in some of its forms, but it is not inherently "bourgeois".

[Counterculturalist]

Why do you keep pointing out that fascism is Italian? The fuck does that have to do with anything?

I don't mind arguing about feminism or anarchism with people I have a modicum of respect for. I'm not going to waste my time discussing anything with a fucking half-wit, though.

[index]

Don't get me wrong, my ideology is simple. If you can hold a gun, point, and shoot the target then you're in. Woman, Man, Child, whatever. Feminism and identity politics in general are usually poisonous. Feminism divides the working class and never was present in the USSR, Third Reich, Maoist PRC, Democratic Kampuchea, DPRK, etc.

[index]

Why do you keep pointing out that fascism is Italian? The fuck does that have to do with anything?
Because people keep throwing the word around as an epithet rather than having respect for what it is/was: an Italian revolutionary ideology that branched off into other ideologies (clerical fascism which I don't really like, integralism, etc).

[index]

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[Zoop]

Juche is the new NATIONAL SOCIALISM.


National Socialism is SOCIALISM. National SOCIALIST German WORKERS Party.
Fascism is Italian. They are also ANTI-CAPITALIST.


Feminism and identity politics in general are usually poisonous. Feminism divides the working class and never was present in the USSR, Third Reich, Maoist PRC, Democratic Kampuchea, DPRK, etc.

I think at this point you need to fuck off.

[index]

The only argument against me is "fuck off" or "troll". I'm waiting on the banhammer.

[Sewer Socialist]

The only argument against me is "fuck off" or "troll". I'm waiting on the banhammer.

Fortunately, it was not a long wait. :)

[Sasha]

The only argument against me is "fuck off" or "troll". I'm waiting on the banhammer.

Glad to be of service.... Bye :)

[#FF0000]

The only argument against me is "fuck off" or "troll". I'm waiting on the banhammer.

i like how he ignored me completely before getting owned.

[cyu]

http://images.sodahead.com/profiles/0/0/1/8/5/7/1/2/1/cant-tell-if-troll-or-just-stupid-78768989080.jpeg

Update: Perhaps people only troll because they are stupid xD

[Comrade Jacob]

Oh god. A National "socialist"

[The Modern Prometheus]

Well hes not a skinhead, actually hes kind of a nerdy hippie. I dont see his beliefs becoming problems in everyday life, like he doesn't not talk to black kids or anything like that. I think hes just a 4chan Nazi who has fallen too deep into the /pol/ shit posting. This morning we had an educated political debate, nothing crazy like "Kill these fuckin niggers", "no asshole workers must rise!", just conversation. Was wondering if you guys had any ideas on how to convince him to leave Fascism?

Get him to actually try and read Mussolini, Mein Kampf and other works of Fascism. After 5 minutes of trying to read that it should turn him off it. I have seen people like you describe before actually and they tend to be the sheltered type who have not yet actually been out in the world yet hence why they fall for this utter nonsense. They don't realize how utterly disconnected fascist "ideology" (if one could call it that) is from the real world.

There might be hope for your friend maybe he just needs to get out more. If that doesn't work i won't advocate physical violence but i won't discourage it either ;)

[mushroompizza]

Index is literally my friend. "You know Fascism and Marxism are very similar". Thinks hes smart about politics because he saw a youtube video, rejects all of history class. These days my friend has become a Capitalist Centrist.

[cyu]

"You know Fascism and Marxism are very similar". Thinks hes smart about politics because he saw a youtube video

Kind of like the ones who say Christianity and capitalism are very similar, or capitalism is democracy :lol:

[mushroompizza]

Ok now I have another friend that is a fascist, what luck! My ex-fascist friend that this thread was started about well his friend and now my friend is a fascist. He is a black arab muslim, he was once an ISIS supporter he said it was funny how they killed jews but when they killed the japanese reporters he stopped supporting them (hes a weeaboo). What do I do? He is also a /pol/ idiot hitler memer.

[Zoop]

^ I'd recommend either a baseball bat or a shotgun. Whatever you feel most comfortable with.

[StromboliFucker666]

Pick better friends and you won't have this issue.

[Atsumari]

Ok now I have another friend that is a fascist, what luck! My ex-fascist friend that this thread was started about well his friend and now my friend is a fascist. He is a black arab muslim, he was once an ISIS supporter he said it was funny how they killed jews but when they killed the japanese reporters he stopped supporting them (hes a weeaboo). What do I do? He is also a /pol/ idiot hitler memer.
The fact that you go on 4chan and many of your friends seem to be /pol/ is starting to show me just how serious we should take you.

[Zoop]

What sort of crowd are you hanging around with anyway? And why is it so difficult to know what to do? Just drop him as a friend. I think a lot of people will be suspicious of the sincerity of your convictions if you're friends with fascist filth. It demonstrates a lack of hatred on your part. This tolerance isn't something to be valued. Just drop him as a friend. Fascists should be beaten, not befriended.

[Islam Muslim Muhammad]

Diligent fasting has helped me clear my mind of evil thoughts and mentalities. Suggest to your friend that he try it, perhaps it could help rid his mind of undesirable thoughts.

[Armchair Partisan]

Diligent fasting has helped me clear my mind of evil thoughts and mentalities. Suggest to your friend that he try it, perhaps it could help rid his mind of undesirable thoughts.

I guess that if this is true, then starving out the reactionaries after a revolution might be a good way to convert them to the revolutionary cause, huh?

(Also, what's up with you and your religious preaching all around the forum? What "evil thoughts and mentalities" has starving yourself managed to get rid of?)