Cuban Discrimination on Revleft

[mushroompizza]

It seems that here on Revleft, Cuba is idolized and Cuban Americans are viewed as having no real legitimate arguements against Castroism. Here is my backlash from a Leftist Cuban American... :cubaflag:

1. Cuban Americans were not all rich bastards!
We were not all white elitist pigs when we still lived on the island. My family were once supporters of Castro, they lived in poverty. Once they realized Castro only continued their oppression but under a new name "socialism", they left to Miami.

2. Not all Cuban Americans are Right Wingers
Many of the older anti commie cubans are but the younger generation are becoming more left wing, most cubans in 2012 voted for Obama.

3. Cubans don't lie about Cuba!
There is this stigma that when a Cuban complains about Cuba its exaggerated. You know whats not exaggerated, my father got a bar of soap for his bday because it was all my family could afford. Its true the island is that ridiculous!

Just remember if Cuba is so great why are hundreds of people every year risking their lives to raft to Miami. Cuba Libre!

[Sewer Socialist]

Voting for Obama is not left wing, and I hardly think most people on RevLeft consider Cuba to be socialist.

Even if those things were true, they wouldn't constitute discrimination.

[RedWorker]

While I am not a supporter of Cuba, arguing that the Miami exile culture would not have an influence on someone of that background is ridiculous. Just look at yourself - you've posted comments saying things like "Che, that murderous dog, deserved to have been murdered"... and you are obsessed with everyone's attitude towards Cuba, in one of the leftist communities with the least support for Cuba. This speaks for itself.

So yes, you may not fit into the "Miami exile right-winger" stereotype, but don't pretend that you exist in an isolated state from everyone else.

[BITW434]

To be fair, from what I've seen, the vast majority of RevLeft (including myself) don't uphold Cuba as being legitimately socialist.



Just remember if Cuba is so great why are hundreds of people every year risking their lives to raft to Miami. Cuba Libre!
I imagine this is mostly down to the dry feet policy of the US government, which essentially grants US citizenship to any Cuban who can get their feet on US soil. Naturally, a lot of Cubans would be interested in this prospect as the United States is a more developed country than Cuba, and this a reality which has existed long before 1959. I think if they extended this principle to the rest of Latin America, you would also see a huge amount of migration to the United States. While I'm not particularly a fan of the Cuban Communist Party, I think lying the blame soley at their doorstep for this one is slightly unfair.

[Artiom]

1. Agree

2. eeeh... yeah agree with the first part, but you know that most ppl on this forum wont label Obama as left wing

3. True, but I think it's bcs the one's that scream the most are the one's that gets attention from right wingers and are being up holded by them and therefor many leftis are suspicious about them. About the soap, the embargo strikes extra hard on hyginic products if I'm right.


Just remember if Cuba is so great why are hundreds of people every year risking their lives to raft to Miami.

The propaganda has gone to far with not even admiting the existing problems, making ppl belive that evrything is gona be "awsome" as long as they leave the country.


Cuba Libre!

Agree.

[Antiochus]

are becoming more left wing, most cubans in 2012 voted for Obama.:laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh:

Really though, Cuba isn't Socialist. Here is the thing though: Neither are any of the Cuban 'Opposition' in Miami. I mean, topple Castro and replace him with what? Most likely a neo-liberal state that will make life much harder for most Cubans.

Nor do I think you are a Socialist. From your few comments I glean that you are a social democrat at best. Guevara, Castro etc... have faults, no doubt. But the notion that something bad has to be replaced with something worse is just ridiculous. What Cuba needs is organization of the working class and actual democracy. The embargo must be lifted and Cuba should continue to foster economic and social ties with the rest of Latin America, and if it is possible to avoid a parasitic relationship, with the United States.

[Anglo-Saxon Philistine]

I think the attitude of many of the members of this site toward Cuba is beyond hilarious. Stalin is generally considered the Devil himself, while the Stalinist Guevara is considered a great revolutionary hero. (Stalinists and Maoists were once banned on RL... back when it was called Che-Lives). The DPRK is hell on Earth, but Cuba, Cuba has free healthcare (unlike... the DPRK?). And RL doesn't even have the excuse of believing in "Trotsko-Guevarism" like C. Hart (didn't she die recently, bless'er?), mostly because no one on RL likes Trotskyists either (well, those who aren't Her Majesty's social-democrats in any case).

That said, of course people are going to distrust emigres. Emigres are notorious for spreading stories of, ah, questionable veracity. I'm from the former Yugoslavia, and back in the day our emigres would spread stories about how chilrun were ground up into sausages as well. They were nonsense, of course - and I say that as someone whose family included nearly every shade of political opinion, from State Security officers to people who were imprisoned (briefly) for speaking out against the regime. It makes sense - if you move to a more developed country, or one more to your political liking, and you say "oh well the place I used to live in was slightly underdeveloped", then you're a filthy immigrant who is stealing our jobs, our jobs I tell you! But if you throw in a story about how the evil totalitarian communists ground chilrun into sausages, then you've made yourself useful to the state.

Also, a lot of these "left" emigre groups are anything but. I remember a "left" Croat emigre group, in Australia, that the USEC used to associate with. Turns out, they were in close contact with the group led by the erstwhile Croat fuehrer. Oops. From what I understand, many of the Cuban emigre "left" groups were like this as well - or simply pressure groups for the Democratic Party.

Also placing this in Discrimination is sort of... not politically smart.

[Sasha]

you keep using this word discrimination, i dont think that you know what it means..

[G4b3n]

People who regard Cuba as a state worth defending are an ultra small minority on here. And what does Obama have to do with Leftism?

[cyu]

How about this - before anybody can accuse you of being one-sided, devote part of your post to saying things you like about them, and devote part of your post to saying things you don't like about them. Before anybody can accuse you of being a middle-of-the-roader, exaggerate both the good and bad things you say about them :lol:

[Atsumari]

Goddamn, I thought I knew some pretty awful strawmans, but you sir should take the grand prize for creating the biggest strawman ever known on RevLeft.

[Danielle Ni Dhighe]

Just remember if Cuba is so great why are hundreds of people every year risking their lives to raft to Miami.
Yeah, because US capitalism is so great for the working class? :rolleyes:

[Danielle Ni Dhighe]

Also: you're not fucking being discriminated against just because people are critical of your stances on Cuba or Guevara.

[Bala Perdida]

I think it's pretty humorous when liberals try to discredit Che by saying he was a racist homophobic killer. It was the 50's and 60's, exactly who are they worshiping that wasn't a racist homophobic murderer?

I myself don't like Che, so I'm not looking to defend him as much as I'm looking to bug liberals.

As for Cuban discrimination, I've only seen two users throw around the term Gusano.
As for Cuba being terrible, yes it is. I want to throw out the fact that people risk their lives just as much, if not more, escaping from the rest of Latin America but I don't see what difference that makes. Mostly it's out of curiosity whether you think that'll stop post-castro.

[consuming negativity]

that people risk their lives to get out of cuba doesn't mean that cuba is bad. who are they? why are they doing it? have you never heard of criminals "running to the border" in the US? why is it that we assume the immigrants are in the right from the get go and that also the criminals are in the wrong from the get go? think critically.

[mushroompizza]

Ok you guys are smarter than I thought! :grin:

Obama is not a leftist (you guys are correct) just he is more so than the Republican Party, and Cubans are warming up to him. In 2012 most cubans voted for the democrat a first in American History.

I am not a social dem more of a Luxemburgist I would say. I just seem like a social dem because my dialogue so far has been critical.

And I suppose you guys are right when saying Castroists are few here (Im a new user anyway) but I still dislike them.

Lets just all agree that we not buy a Che t shirt!

[Tim Cornelis]

I already have a Che shirt, and a Tanja Neijmeijer shirt.

[Bala Perdida]

I actually have a Hugo Chavez shirt.
Those were dark times.

[Cliff Paul]

I own like three slayers shirts

[Anglo-Saxon Philistine]

I own like three slayers shirts

Get along, try again.

[Cliff Paul]

Get along, try again.

k liberal

[Comrade Jacob]

Ok you guys are smarter than I thought! :grin:

Obama is not a leftist (you guys are correct) just he is more so than the Republican Party, and Cubans are warming up to him. In 2012 most cubans voted for the democrat a first in American History.

I am not a social dem more of a Luxemburgist I would say. I just seem like a social dem because my dialogue so far has been critical.

And I suppose you guys are right when saying Castroists are few here (Im a new user anyway) but I still dislike them.

Lets just all agree that we not buy a Che t shirt!

This guy is such a whiny liberal. I'll buy a che t shirt if I want to. M'kay?

[mushroompizza]

Wouldn't that just further Capitalism? :sneaky:

[Armchair Partisan]

Wouldn't that just further Capitalism? :sneaky:

Not anymore than buying any other shirt.

[Quail]

If nobody has anything to say that wouldn't be more at home in Chit-Chat, I'm going to close this thread. This is a general warning to stay on topic.