Podemos' Pablo Iglesias: Outspoken support for the police and military

[RedWorker]

Pablo Iglesias, of Podemos, was recently boasting about his sworn support for the police and military in one of his mass worship rallies. Iglesias even openly shouted: "Long live the police people and military people [who stand for change]" (in other words, those who back Iglesias). This is the culmination of Iglesias' open praise of the state's footmen, which has been ongoing for months now. Among other things, Iglesias has been claiming that he knows so many policemen that support him, in response to his conservative opponents claiming that "policemen are against Podemos because Podemos supports ETA", entering a competition about who is most supported by policemen. Iglesias may be in an early part of a plan to create sectors of support in the police and military for his future populist regime.

This goes along with the rest of filth spewed by Iglesias, who has come to the point of even making ethnic nationalist speeches in his mass worship rallies, stating even that "the DNA of the historic Spanish people is with us today" in his 'patriotic', nation and race-based speech. Iglesias justifies all of this by claiming that once he was "anti-military" in his youth, but that now he has come to "see the truth", 'realized' that communism is only a "philosophical fantasy to be kept inside universities" and that his 'struggle' is now in the scenario of "the actual reality". Once again a confirmation of the nature of the ideas of people who make such statements, which may at first mistakenly appear reasonable to most people.

This is an open display of the degeneration of Podemos, which for starters was only a moderate party, and which the international pseudo-left is so intent on supporting, against the evidence and revealing the true ideas of this pseudo-left. Even a person such as me, who was interested in Podemos at first, can recognize the utterly populist and bourgeois nature of Podemos. The creation of Podemos, at first intended as a puppet party managed by the Spanish section of the reunified Fourth International (USFI) which then became an internal dictatorship ran by the appointed puppets, has been a fiasco which has come to display the bankruptcy of the politics and behavior of certain 'leftist' groups.

Read more: Exposing the Podemos fraud (http://www.revleft.com/vb/blog.php?b=19183).

[Vladimir Innit Lenin]

At least provide a source for your claims, not merely a link to your own blog...

[RedWorker]

On March 14, Iglesias literally shouted before a mass rally: "¡Vivan esos militares demócratas, esos guardias civiles, esos policías que querrían poner las esposas a los corruptos, son ciudadanos de uniforme y están por el cambio, no sobra nadie, contamos con ellos, estamos orgullosos de su trabajo!". This translates to "Long live these democratic military people, these police people, these police people who would like to arrest corrupt people. They are citizens in uniform and they are for change, there's nobody who should be left out, we count with them and we are proud of their work!"

In his ethnic nationalist speech of January 31 to a mass rally, after making numerous references to Spanish nationalism and Spanish events, Iglesias claimed: "The people [who have always have defended democracy] in our country [...] The DNA of that heroic people is with us today, and we are proud". Obviously, this is a reference to a supposed Spanish race.

These two statements are absolutely intolerable, and I do not expect even PP leaders to make them. Iglesias has reached a new low.

Iglesias claims that rich people and politicians who make use of the Spanish flag are in fact only "so-called patriots", and that "truly standing for the country is needed". This is similar to the Nazi Party, which in its propaganda claimed to stand against "bourgeois patriotism" limited to supporting the status quo while flying the German Empire flag, arguing that "true nationalism" is needed. Among other things, Iglesias claims that "the nation must stand over the individual".

Iglesias has even come to saying: "No soy religioso, pero me sorprende estar tan de acuerdo con el papa" ("I am not religious, but I am surprised by being so in agreement with the Pope"). This comes after Iglesias had been restlessly clapping to a speech of the Pope in the European parliament, while the social-democratic United Left party in comparison stood against the presence of the Pope.

As for Podemos being created by the Spanish section of the USFI, it is so widely known now that it would be a waste of time to explain it again here. Search the many sources that detail it, including mainstream newspapers.

[RedWorker]

No person who supports Podemos has a reply to this, much less a defense to these. Support for Podemos can be repeated ad infinitum. Yet, in the face of facts, any ideological arguments collapse. People may say: "I disagree with these statements of Iglesias, but still agree with the approach of Podemos". But these statements are yet again another proof of what the Podemos approach produces.

The fact is, Podemos does not challenge the bourgeois state. And the bourgeois state will always use the police and the military to repress the population. Does anyone really believe that in the face of any serious rebellion, Iglesias would not order the repressive forces to crush it? If so, I feel pity for their naivity.

[MarxistWorld]

Redworker: you know humans are not perfectionists, many people, even leftists with pictures of Lenin, Che Guevara, and Marx as their profile pictures on Facebook, support Berny Sanders, and Elizabeth Warren. Most people are not very perfectionists about their own ideology. So I think that's why many people in the left support PODEMOS and Pablo Iglesia and Syriza, even though those parties are in favor of capitalism with cheap and/or free medical care and cheap and/or university degrees, and other kinds of social services for the masses. And not in favor of socialism which is supposed to be a government of workers, with nationalizations of all large businesses under worker's control.

I know that capitalism with free medical care, and free college is a lot better than the neoliberalism brand of capitalism we have in America, which is capitalism without free medical care and without free colleges. But however a real leftist should be pro-marxism and should follow what Marx, Engels, Lenin and the other main writers of socialism said about true socialism which is the temporary stage between the end of capitalism and the begining of state-less communism. And that temporary stage should not be capitalism with free medical care, and free college education. Bu t instead it should be a dictatorship of the working class, exercising a dictatorship against the enemy capitalist class. And applying an economic model of nationalizations of large corporations under worker's ownership






No person who supports Podemos has a reply to this, much less a defense to these. Support for Podemos can be repeated ad infinitum. Yet, in the face of facts, any ideological arguments collapse. People may say: "I disagree with these statements of Iglesias, but still agree with the approach of Podemos". But these statements are yet again another proof of what the Podemos approach produces.

The fact is, Podemos does not challenge the bourgeois state. And the bourgeois state will always use the police and the military to repress the population. Does anyone really believe that in the face of any serious rebellion, Iglesias would not order the repressive forces to crush it? If so, I feel pity for their naivity.