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ChangeAndChance
15th March 2015, 09:13
Another thread from three years ago mentioned the danger of "Bill C-51", an omnibus security bill the Conservative government was trying to pass back in 2012. It was kicked out. Now it's back and worse than ever.

Some admirable features of this POS legislation include:
A. The expansion of the definition of terrorism to include any act or advocation of opinions that threaten the political, social or "economic security" of Canada.
B. The criminalization of speech the government deems "pro-terrorist" according to their beyond-flexible standards above.
C. A proposal that would give 17 "security agencies" access to any information in any government department on any Canadian.
D. The expansion of the authority of CSIS (Canada's CIA) to include the ability of act out based on the "information" they collect on Canadian citizens.

There is no consensus in Parliament on the bill at all. The Conservatives (every single one of them) are gung ho for it and the Liberals claim they're okay with the bill and insist once they get into power in this year's election, they'll do some "tweaking" with it if necessary. Even the NDP (Canada's luke-warm social democrats) aren't delving too deep into discussing the sledgehammer blow that the proposed bill obviously does to what few "liberties" Canadians have left.

And here we have people talking about how if we just changed the government that would solve everything. Goddamn it, people are fucking stupid.

OnFire
15th March 2015, 16:41
Seems like the reactionaries are getting cold feet, but I fear this legislation will be used to opress the people even more, much like the Patriot act which enahnced the dicatorship of the capitalists in the US.

GaggedNoMore
15th March 2015, 16:52
There were anti C51 rallies all across Canada yesterday. Unfortunately I was unable to go :( There's not much on it yet, but I'm told the turnout was impressive.

The Intransigent Faction
18th March 2015, 01:19
Trudeau's mental gymnastics are getting more ludicrous by the day. In B.C., he recently said:


We know that, tactically, this government would be perfectly happy if the opposition completely voted against this bill because it fits into their fear narrative and [their desire to] … bash people on security.

In short, "We have to support the bill, because otherwise they'll say the Opposition is soft on terrorism!" I'd laugh if it didn't worry me so much.

OP, that last sentence was spot on. According to Angus Reid, at least initially, 82% of Canadians supported this bill. Just think about how scary that is for a moment. That's all the more perplexing if the rallies really were impressive. I don't dismiss them entirely, but I sincerely doubt that they're reason enough to be optimistic about most people in Canada's attitude toward the bill.

I've ranted so much about it already that I just find I'm repeating myself and hoping that this is somehow stopped. On the topic of changing governments, though, I've had moments where I'm tempted to critically support the NDP if it at least prevents more legislation such as this. The chilling effect that this would/will have on any substantive attempts to organize or promote class-consciousness among workers is just too daunting, even though the NDP would of course still govern in accordance with existing bourgeois narratives and institutions. That said, even the fiercest NDP criticism is limited by their (increasingly weak) reformist perspective.

Shit's fucked up, I tell ya! :mad:

Mr. Piccolo
18th March 2015, 09:33
OP, that last sentence was spot on. According to Angus Reid, at least initially, 82% of Canadians supported this bill. Just think about how scary that is for a moment. That's all the more perplexing if the rallies really were impressive. I don't dismiss them entirely, but I sincerely doubt that they're reason enough to be optimistic about most people in Canada's attitude toward the bill.

The media really has people shaken up over terrorism, despite the fact that North Americans are extremely unlikely to actually experience a terrorist attack.

I have an elderly uncle who only listens to right-wing media (Fox News, talk radio, etc.) and he is scared to death that terrorists are going to kill him. He told me he imagines al-Qaeda fighters scaling his apartment walls to get him. He no longer goes to shopping malls or restaurants because he is so afraid of terrorists. He only leaves his house to go shopping for essentials or for visits with his doctor.

I know an oddly large number of people who think like this, only not to that extreme degree. It is really ridiculous.

ChangeAndChance
8th May 2015, 05:27
And following up on this: Bill C-51 passed in the House of Commons today by a margin of 183 to 96 thanks to the Tories' majority in Parliament and Trudeau's Liberal Scum (TM) adding additional support, the NDP and Greens opposed to the bill were no match for combined forces of Oil Man and Middle Class Monster.

Fuck everything.

The Intransigent Faction
8th May 2015, 07:26
And following up on this: Bill C-51 passed in the House of Commons today by a margin of 183 to 96 thanks to the Tories' majority in Parliament and Trudeau's Liberal Scum (TM) adding additional support, the NDP and Greens opposed to the bill were no match for combined forces of Oil Man and Middle Class Monster.

Fuck everything.

Meanwhile, France passed legislation granting sweeping state surveillance powers just a few days ago, bringing it in line with Britain, the U.S., Germany, and others. It seems that surveillance was already bound to happen, in any case. This just takes what would otherwise have been hidden extralegal activity and publicly sanctions it through codification, because trying to hide it would do little at this point.

The Cons have a majority. The question was never about whether the bill would be passed. It was what will happen when public outrage toward that inevitable act is brushed off.

ChangeAndChance
8th May 2015, 08:52
Now it remains to be seen whether people actually give enough of a shit to continue protesting (or for that matter even start doing so). However, knowing Canada being the docile state-loving land it is, the outrage will probably die down soon and we can all return to our daily lives, blind to the troubles that plague our society. Hip hip hooray.

The Garbage Disposal Unit
8th May 2015, 15:35
The group I'm part of, Maritime Anarchist Initiative, in collaboration with a woman named Nicholle Savoie, produced a short pamphlet on C-51:

C-51 or Not: Canada is a Racist Police State

http://halifax.mediacoop.ca/sites/mediacoop.ca/files2/mc/imagecache/thumb200/banner_2.jpg (http://halifax.mediacoop.ca/sites/mediacoop.ca/files2/mc/imagecache/bigimg/banner_2.jpg)




This piece was written by members of Maritime Anarchist Initiative ([email protected]) and Nicholle Savoie for distribution at the April 18th rally against Bill C-51.

What is Bill C-51?

Bill C-51 - introduced in the wake of media frenzy about "terrorism" and particularly the Michael Zehaf-Bibeau shooting - is nothing new when taking a long view of the Canadian state. It does, however, expand in some specific ways the repressive powers of Canada's "intelligence" and "security" agencies. While it's important to see Bill C-51 in a historical context of Canadian "security" that includes Japanese internment camps and goes back to the Indian Act, it's also necessary to be aware of its specific implications.


The five sections of the act are:


1. The SECURITY OF CANADA INFORMATION SHARING ACT which allows any branch of government to access more-or-less every document from every other branch. In other words, it creates a situation in which no information provided to any government agency is confidential.


2. The SECURE AIR TRAVEL ACT which formalizes the rules around no-fly lists. It legalizes and expands the power of the Transportation Minister to add anyone to a secret list of names, on undisclosed evidence, prevents them from boarding air planes.


3. Amendments to the CRIMINAL CODE which expand the powers of police to arrest and hold people without charge, and which make it illegal to "promote" terrorism. It also makes it easier for the evidence in such cases to be kept secret.


4. Amendments to the CANADIAN SECURITY INTELLIGENCE SERVICE ACT which expand the powers of Canada's spy agency, the Canadian Security Intelligence Service (CSIS), from surveillance to "disruption". This includes (while in some instances requiring a warrant) anything short of "causing death or bodily harm" or violating "the sexual integrity of the individual". On evidence that can be kept secret.


5. Amendments to the IMMIGRATION AND REFUGEE PROTECTION ACT which expand the powers of the government to keep evidence secret in proceedings against immigrants and refugees.


Who/what does Bill C-51 protect?


Given that, in Canada, one is approximately 100 times more likely to killed by police than terrorists, it should be apparent that this act isn't about the security (let alone well-being) of the vast majority of people. To understand what is meant by "national security" in Bill C-51, one needs to look at what agencies named in the bill are already doing.


There is extensive documentation, for example, that the RCMP spies extensively on Indigenous communities. This is especially the case when communities are engaged in resistance to resource extraction or other colonial interests. The case of 2008 case of Kitchenuhmaykoosib Inninuwug First Nation is instructive - RCMP spied on the community, and arrested five leaders of resistance to mining on their traditional territory. The leaders hadn't committed a crime per se - rather, they were accused of violating an injunction won by the mining company on the basis that they were "interfering".


CSIS in collaboration with the Canadian Border Services Agency (CBSA) has been active, particularly, in spying on and harassing Muslim communities. This has included facilitating indefinite detainment under Security Certificates, notably the so-called "Secret Trial 5" - three of whom remain under strict house arrest after over a decade.


Who will Bill C-51 most affect?


The peoples most targeted by Bill C-51 are the peoples who have always been targeted for surveillance, criminalization, and other forms of state violence. While the legislation may be new, it continues a long history of criminalizing the existence and resistance (and existence as resistance) of Indigenous peoples and people of colour. The movements that Bill C-51 is designed to suppress are Indigenous struggles for self-determination and sovereignty, migrant justice and survival strategies, and struggles against resource extraction, especially insofar as they overlap with the former two.


As Kanien'kéha:ka activist Ellen Gabriel argues, "the colonialist Canadian government has always criminalized First Nations people who defend their rights and their lands." Because C-51 is intended to protect against any "threat to the sovereignty, security, or territorial integrity of Canada or the lives or the security of the people of Canada," Indigenous sovereignty continues to be criminalized by definition. Expanding no-fly lists and border policing continues the targeting of Arab communities and migrants. For the racist nation-state on stolen land to continue, those who challenge it explicitly or simply by continuing to survive must be met with state violence. Bill C-51 is a more formalised, clear, and public form of this, but it is by no means new.


What can we do?


In order to resist BIll C-51, we need to look at the broader picture of state

repression and resistance of which it is a part. Many ways that Bill C-51 is being talked about are unhelpful in this regard. For example, many critical "progressive" commentators have expressed that C-51 is "Un-Canadian". Such a statement refuses to take a good hard look at the history and current reality of the Canada - a country which has never ceased carrying out colonial violence against the Indigenous peoples, which is one of the world's largest and most unapologetic contributors to climate change, and which has viciously repressed dissent from the Winnipeg General Strike to the stand-off in Elsipogtog. Rather than appealing to an imagery history of a "Peace, Order, and Good Government" such legends needs to be exposed for what they are: History written by the victors in the blood of the oppressed.


Recognizing this, we need to extend our solidarity in ways that don't exclude those communities in struggle who are most directly targeted by Bill C-51 in particular, but also the Canadian state in general. While on paper it may be true on paper that everyone in Canada is equally subject to being spied upon, harassed, and imprisoned it is clear that, in reality, people of colour and Indigenous peoples are subject disproportionately, especially when directly engaged in resistance. Therefore, rather than decrying the criminalization of "peaceful protest", or emphasizing the ways Bill C-51 might be used against the respectable white left, environmentalists, and "law abiding citizens", we need to stand with those whose tactics we do or do not agree with, those who are not citizens, and those people that popular discourse deems "criminal". It is, after all, the same government which has crafted C-51 which always decides who is within or outside of the law.

Puzzled Left
9th May 2015, 08:08
The media really has people shaken up over terrorism, despite the fact that North Americans are extremely unlikely to actually experience a terrorist attack.

I have an elderly uncle who only listens to right-wing media (Fox News, talk radio, etc.) and he is scared to death that terrorists are going to kill him. He told me he imagines al-Qaeda fighters scaling his apartment walls to get him. He no longer goes to shopping malls or restaurants because he is so afraid of terrorists. He only leaves his house to go shopping for essentials or for visits with his doctor.

I know an oddly large number of people who think like this, only not to that extreme degree. It is really ridiculous.
I'm not sure that is still healthy, you sure he's not suffering from some sort of paranoia that need medical treatment?

I did not realize that right-wing propaganda can physically damage an individual. Oh well...

Matteo
13th May 2015, 09:44
82% of Canadians supported this bill. Just think about how scary that is for a moment. That's all the more perplexing if the rallies really were impressive. I don't dismiss them entirely, but I sincerely doubt that they're reason enough to be optimistic about most people in Canada's attitude toward the bill.

The mainstream media in the West is simply part of an indoctrination system. It is actively conditioning us to accept the ostensibly prevalent threat of terrorism as a means to advance unconstitutional policy.

I simply can not believe the masses are falling for this again.