Anarcho-Communism v. Communism

[Kingbruh]

So, what's the difference between AnCom and regular Communism? Don't both advocate for a stateless, money-less society?

[GiantMonkeyMan]

Both advocate for the same thing, essentially, as in both advocate a stateless, moneyless and classless society. Communism, ie Marxism, recognises that the working class needs to create a state and government of its own in order to dismantle the last vestiges of capital after the revolution, it's generally the worker's boot to hold down the throat of the capitalist, as it were before the classless society can be achieved. Anarchism, on the other hand, believes that a revolution by itself would be enough to destroy the bourgeoisie and that communism can be achieved outright though this process.

There are other aspects which make co-operation a challenge such as whether or not to participate in contemporary trade unions, whether or not to stand in elections, how best to integrate yourself and spread your ideas within cultural movements etc.

There's a quote of a bourgeois scumbag, Bismarck: "Crowned heads, wealth and privilege well may tremble should ever again the Black and Red unite!" But, fundamentally, anarchism and communism take different lessons from the current movements in the world.

-edit: I'm pretty drunk tho so cut me some slack aha.

[tuwix]

So, what's the difference between AnCom and regular Communism? Don't both advocate for a stateless, money-less society?

The difference is in the road to communism. Marxist communism is going to be introduced after a first stage that is transition period between capitalism and full communism when there are money and state in some different form. But AnCom is to be introduced immediately with immediate abolishing a state.

[Kingbruh]

The difference is in the road to communism. Marxist communism is going to be introduced after a first stage that is transition period between capitalism and full communism when there are money and state in some different form. But AnCom is to be introduced immediately with immediate abolishing a state.

Both are stateless though, correct? A popular AnCap argument about Communism is that it's not really a form of Anarchy.

[John Nada]

Both are stateless though, correct?Yes.
A popular AnCap argument about Communism is that it's not really a form of Anarchy.A fact about "anarcho"-capitalism is that a privatized state isn't a form of anarchy. Making a businessperson dictator of their property isn't anymore stateless than having a king/queen rule the realm.

[Bala Perdida]

It's ancomism and marxism that is the main difference. Ancomism varying in forms of course too, but stands out in its rejection of party and state. Marxism is (we all know it, sing along!) RDOP, Socialism, Communism! That last one being awkwardly interchangeable with the second one.

[John Nada]

It's ancomism and marxism that is the main difference. Ancomism varying in forms of course too, but stands out in its rejection of party and state. Marxism is (we all know it, sing along!) RDOP, Socialism, Communism! That last one being awkwardly interchangeable with the second one.Revolutionary Dictatorship Of the Proletariat. Just DoTP for short. Okay that was probably a typo but it still makes sense.:)

Socialism may be interchangeable with communism for some(like it was in Marx's and Engels's day), but communism is not always interchangeable with socialism(some Leninists use it as a synonym for the DoTP). Like the ocean and the sea, you might say you're out at sea in the Pacific, but you'll never say I'm out in the Mediterranean Ocean. Some dialectical shit:grin:. Some make a big deal about it("Socialism=Communism, not the dictatorship of the proletariat!:mad:), I don't give a fuck either way.

The intermediate phase, called the dictatorship of the proletariat(fancy way of saying workers), is where the worker's rule after a revolution and fight off reactionaries seeking to put capitalists back in power. It's not dictatorship in the common way it's used(autocracy, oligarchy, ect), but a government. Like now it's a dictatorship of the bourgeoisie(fancy way of saying capitalists); The capitalist rule.

When the worker's have finally taken charge, and the coast is clear, and different classes are gone globally then the lower phase of communism is reached. This is the beginning of a classless, stateless society, however it still has some leftover effects from capitalism. Money is still used in a way. Later this will be obsolete, post-scarcity basically. Then everyone just works to their ability, and in turn receives what they need. This is the higher phase of communism.