Sole (so-lay) -- a health plan for those who can afford unrefined sea salt

[ckaihatsu]

Since discovering sole, I start my day with a teaspoon of this powerfully detoxing and rejuvenating elixir. Because it requires only himalayan salt (or Real Salt), water, and a jar, this health treatment is accessible and affordable for everyone.




The benefits of himalayan salt sole include:


Detoxifies the body by balancing systemic pH

Improves hydration by providing trace minerals

Improves mineral status of the body

Reduces muscle cramps by improving minerals and hydration

Helps balance blood sugar

Supports hormone balance for everyone, no matter what hormonal issues you face

Helps balance blood pressure because it provides unrefined, mineral-rich salt in an ionic solution

Improves sleep by supporting blood sugar and hormone balance

Acts as a powerful antihistamine

Supports weight loss by balancing hormones and improving energy

Supports thyroid and adrenal function (Source and read more benefits!)




http://empoweredsustenance.com/himalayan-salt-benefits/


Also:


http://www.perfecthealthnow.com.au/products/himalayan-salt-products/crystal-salt-sole-so-lay/


And:


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Past health-related threads:


Use engineered sound waves to destroy pathogens in the body, for better health

http://www.revleft.com/vb/use-engineered-sound-t191727/index.html


Boost your physical and mental health with cheap health tech

http://www.revleft.com/vb/boost-your-physical-t191186/index.html


Quick, cheap way to improve your health with common materials at home

http://www.revleft.com/vb/quick-cheap-way-t175831/index2.html

[Creative Destruction]

dude. stop posting this pseudo-scientific crap.

[ckaihatsu]

dude. stop posting this pseudo-scientific crap.


There's sufficient empirical science in this line alone:





[I]t provides unrefined, mineral-rich salt in an ionic solution


The health implications of this uncontroversial statement are yours (the individual's) to verify for yourself, if you like.

[Creative Destruction]

There's not. They're abusing "mineral-rich." There's trace elements of some minerals in Himalayan salt, that you can get in much larger quantities from other foods rather than drinking a glass of what is only salt water, all things considered.

All of the health claims they're making here are complete crap. They provide no evidence for their claims, and the one source they provided links back to a shopping page for the salt. Good job falling for a new-agey capitalist scheme.

[ckaihatsu]

There's not.


There is.





They're abusing "mineral-rich." There's trace elements of some minerals in Himalayan salt, that you can get in much larger quantities from other foods rather than drinking a glass of what is only salt water, all things considered.


Source?





All of the health claims they're making here are complete crap. They provide no evidence for their claims, and the one source they provided links back to a shopping page for the salt. Good job falling for a new-agey capitalist scheme.


Granted the sources are commercial in nature, but that doesn't automatically invalidate the information.

Just because you haven't done any research yourself doesn't mean that you're correct, either.

[Sperm-Doll Setsuna]

We already know you're a bit of a woozer, it's not the first time you post this kind of dumb shit. It's what happens when you read the dumb, deranged crap that is posted on left-liberal newsgroups and newsletters. These people are more unbearable than right-wing nutters.

[ckaihatsu]

We


"We" -- ?

You may want to specify who besides *yourself* you're talking about -- you mean all those who would rather use stereotypes than deal with claims and their merits.





already know you're a bit of a woozer,


You're angling to be the 'leader of the pack', then -- ?





it's not the first time you post this kind of dumb shit.


Just because you're resorting to name-calling doesn't make something 'dumb'.





It's what happens when you read the dumb, deranged crap that is posted on left-liberal newsgroups and newsletters. These people are more unbearable than right-wing nutters.


Note that I'm not around such ilk for their *politics* -- left-liberal politics is *indefensible* for not dealing with the most immediate, class-based issues of our society.

But if other cultures happen to know of some personal-scale methods that work, as for health, I'm not going to be prejudiced about such knowledge.

[Creative Destruction]

Source?

Any fucking geology 101 textbook you can find.


Granted the sources are commercial in nature, but that doesn't automatically invalidate the information.

That's not what "invalidates" the information. It just makes it ridiculous that a communist would be linking to an obvious capitalist scam site as some sort of evidence for your new age crap beliefs. No, what invalidates the information is that there is no fucking evidence for it. There's no research that site can point to that backs up their claims.


Just because you haven't done any research yourself doesn't mean that you're correct, either.

Good lord. Shut up, you moron.

[Creative Destruction]

But if other cultures happen to know of some personal-scale methods that work, as for health, I'm not going to be prejudiced about such knowledge.

hey. did you know that bloodletting does away with fevers?

[ckaihatsu]

Any fucking geology 101 textbook you can find.


No, the part about *food* having more sources of minerals than the sea salt.





That's not what "invalidates" the information. It just makes it ridiculous that a communist would be linking to an obvious capitalist scam site as some sort of evidence for your new age crap beliefs. No, what invalidates the information is that there is no fucking evidence for it. There's no research that site can point to that backs up their claims.


It's not a matter of 'belief' -- again there *are* minerals, and the presence of the salt creates an ionized solution which is beneficial to the body.





Good lord. Shut up, you moron.


*I'm* not the one who decided to engage in mud-slinging over this stuff -- it was *you*. You could certainly have left this content and simply thought it too trivial to bother with, but that's not what actually happened.





hey. did you know that bloodletting does away with fevers?


Well that's not what I'm claiming -- spurious juxtaposition.

[Atsumari]

Salt block cooking is pretty hype.
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Regardless of health benefits/myths, it is still quite the delicacy and my chef occasionally uses it on some of his sushi, mostly scallops or some white fish.

[Ethics Gradient, Traitor For All Ages]

ckaihatsu the burden of proof lies with the person making the claim, that's you and whatever snakeoil peddler is behind this. It's become clear that you yourself do not even believe any of this bullshit, if you did you would be putting some actual effort into defending it. Instead, every time you post one of these threads you dismiss any criticism as some widespread conspiracy this site has towards you, or worse that we're all so blinded by the medical establishment that we instinctively dismiss "Proletarian Medicine" completely out of hand without any investigation. You are either A.) Trolling or B.) in possession of a deep persecution complex that requires you to be publicly harassed over something once a month or so.

Regardless of which one is really true, it has to be obvious at this point that you are literally the only one here that is interested in this stuff. Keep it to yourself, it's embarrassing to think how this might reflect on the rest of the community to new users or people who lurk.

[Ethics Gradient, Traitor For All Ages]

Salt block cooking is pretty hype.
IXWd7kRA2Rg
Regardless of health benefits/myths, it is still quite the delicacy and my chef occasionally uses it on some of his sushi, mostly scallops or some white fish.

What exactly does it do to the taste?

[Atsumari]

I never cooked with a salt block so I cannot say, but in regards to sushi, it does nothing that normal salt wouldn't do. All the pink color does is just makes the sushi look really pretty. In other words, this is just a garnishing salt whereas table salt is infused with the dish while it is cooking.
However, my chef said that there is indeed a difference which is that Himalayan salt has a floral taste but it is too subtle for me to notice.

[ckaihatsu]

ckaihatsu the burden of proof lies with the person making the claim,


Yes, and for the *third* time now, here's the empirical fact that is the *point* for all of this:





[I]t provides unrefined, mineral-rich salt in an ionic solution





that's you and whatever snakeoil peddler is behind this. It's become clear that you yourself do not even believe any of this bullshit, if you did you would be putting some actual effort into defending it.


See above. One point.





Instead, every time you post one of these threads you dismiss any criticism as some widespread conspiracy this site has towards you,


I have not used the term 'conspiracy' even once. You can do a search on this thread.





or worse that we're all so blinded by the medical establishment that we instinctively dismiss "Proletarian Medicine" completely out of hand without any investigation.


Well, it *does* help to actually familiarize oneself, as through personal experience for matters of health, with the subject matter at hand.





You are either A.) Trolling or B.) in possession of a deep persecution complex that requires you to be publicly harassed over something once a month or so.


I'll skip your cutesy pop-psycho-analysis here, but thanks for the entertainment nonetheless.

I'd also rather *not* have the harassment, as you're admitting to doing, so please stop, all of you. Thanks.





Regardless of which one is really true, it has to be obvious at this point that you are literally the only one here that is interested in this stuff. Keep it to yourself, it's embarrassing to think how this might reflect on the rest of the community to new users or people who lurk.


Obviously it *doesn't* reflect on all of those who *vigorously* weigh-in on the topic -- it's understandable that some may want to *distance* themselves, but it certainly isn't being done on any grounds of fact or merit.

[ChangeAndChance]

"...it requires only himalayan salt (or Real Salt)"

What is "real salt"? Salt is fucking salt.


Detoxifies the body by balancing systemic pH

The body balances its pH automatically through the regulation of breathing with the lungs and filtering excess hydrogen ions out of the bloodstream into the urine produced by the kidneys. It doesn't need some mystical "Himalayan" salt to do that.




Improves hydration by providing trace minerals

Improves mineral status of the body

Reduces muscle cramps by improving minerals and hydration

What few credible chemical analyses of this pink salt that have been done show that its about 95-98% sodium chloride (AKA actual salt) and 2-5% polyhalite impurities (AKA the "trace minerals). These minerals are in such a minute amount that they have practically no effect on the chemical composition of the body. Here's how to improve your hydration: drink water. The end.




Helps balance blood sugar

Improves sleep by supporting blood sugar and hormone balance

That's what the liver and the pancreas are for. Once again showing an astounding ignorance of basic human anatomy. It's all automatic: the body doesn't need highly priced salt from Pakistan to do one of its basic fucking functions and do it well.

As for all the other bullshit claims made on their site, I haven't the time to thoroughly debunk. Anyone with the slightest shred of logic should be able to see through the scam. Ultimately it all comes down to this: there is absolutely NO evidence published in peer-reviewed journals that replacing white salt with pink salt makes a shred of difference or leads to any improvement in health.

OP, please stop posting this horseshit.

[ckaihatsu]

Well, as before, I have no personal interest in attempting to *convince* others of any of this, so that plus the one-sided bias on display here is enough to dissuade me from going further.

I'll leave off with a link to a non-commercial page that goes into more detail about the relevant dynamic:


The Benefits of Negative Ions

http://www.detoxion.com/negative%20ions.htm

[Kingbruh]

You may want to specify who besides *yourself* Sorry this is kinda off topic but why do you put asterisks on words alot

[ckaihatsu]

Sorry this is kinda off topic but why do you put asterisks on words alot


Yeah, no prob -- the kinds of exchanges I'm usually in here at RevLeft tend to be position statements and argumentation, so the nature of the communication lends itself to requiring *emphasis* (there it is!) (grin), whereas in other contexts I'm sure I wouldn't use them nearly as often. I find it helps with the pacing of the sentence, too.

[John Nada]

I don't see what all the controversy is. Sole will provide essential nutrients and do everything they claim. Of course anything that contains the same ingredients will too.:lol:

The problem I have is that not everyone can afford that overpriced brand, which in all likelihood is salt from a mine. The price comes from them actually bothering to do needless tests for very trace elements that are ubiquitous at that level. I'd go so far as to say plain old table salt would contain similar nutrients if vigorously tested. They then can claim it's mysteriously different from other brands, except other ones who also bothered to test theirs too. To top that off, list what's are proven health benefits of salt(which not everyone can afford ie. the third-world) and trace nutrients.

Which brings me to another thing that pisses me off. They list all those health benefits, that sodium chloride and all other nutrients actually have, as well as their properties, and describe it in a bunch of jargon that in the court of law could be true, but no one in any one field in any one era uses in the real world. This makes it look like they've discovered something that the experts missed, and not that they're making up their own language by playing nomenclature Mad Libs. This hooks in people who are sick and desperate. It will do everything they claim, but not anything a good diet and nutrition. But with the flowery claims, which in the US can only be said to promote heath and not treat/cure, someone dying of something like cancer will buy this shit and a bunch of other shit like it out of desperation. It might not be that much, they're dying anyway, but it's less money left for their families. Even worse they might turn down proven treatments and cures for something that looks like panacea without side effects. There condition gets worse, either for neglecting real treatment or even because of side effects from the snake oil(heart problems from high sodium).

Now that I think about, this is capitalism to the max. What right-"libertarians" get wet dreams about. And "legitimate" capitalists have similar scams(big pharma, tobacco, auto, ect.). In fact this is capitalism summed up in one product.

Fuck this bourgeois sham medicine! Fuck this screwing everyone over for profit! Re-educated these assholes or line the motherfuckers against the wall when the revolution happens. Don't use this bullshit! Replace coffee with Andean salt and support revolutionaries! Increases energy, clears sinuses and greatly increases the risk of getting laid.(side effects included being an asshole, reduced bank account and loss of personal property)

[John Nada]

I just thought of something. This "Sole"(aka Brine, Hypertonic/saturated sodium chloride/electrolyte solution) is actually healthier than soft/sport drinks like Gatorade and Coca-Cola. They make similar claims(that it's refreshing, gives electrolytes, aids athletic performance, increases energy, helps recovery from sickness, ect.) but are full of shit that's bad for you. Saline solution is used to hydrate sick people who can't keep food down or are dehydrated. The sugar and caffeine in all those other drinks negates it's hydration and electrolytes. In fact it's better to just take salt, for it prevents dehydration by retaining water, and sugar and caffeine dehydrates you.

Sugar adds calories and increases the risk of shit like diabetes, heart problems, and obesity. The electrolytes aren't usually balanced. Caffeine is addictive, raises heart rate, constricts blood flow, increases anxiety, and increases dehydration. The acids erodes the teeth and bones. Benzene is produced from the plastic and ingredients. Bromides are added as "flavor enhancers".

The container has BPH, which has an estrogen effect, disrupts the endocrine system and can harm fetuses. The plastic and metal is wasteful and ruins the environment. Precious limited resources like fossil fuel are thrown away. Coca is only still grown because it's used in soft drinks(okay that's not that bad;)). The big companies exploit the workers and peasants(ie Coca-Cola hiring rightist militias to murder union members).

All the popular soft drinks and sports drinks do these terrible things. Yet they have the money for slick marketing campaigns. They do far more damage, and exploit far more people, young and old(both the consumer and the real producers, the proletariat). Yet if the OP started talking about soft drinks or sports drinks, this wouldn't get the same response. Why is that?:confused:

Me personally, I avoid sugary drinks. Pointless and bad for you. Only after the yeast gets to it, then I drink.:)

[Os Cangaceiros]

To hell with that, caffeine is awesome. Stimulants to the day I die nucka!

I don't think that anyone thinks that something like Coca Cola is healthy in any way, shape or form either...it and other sodas are essentially liquid candy.

[Cliff Paul]

Liberals trying to tell me whether or not I can drink soda

[John Nada]

Nah, Sole has electrolytes and shit:drool:(Idiocracy reference)

[ckaihatsu]

For anyone here who still has a shred of credulity remaining *and* takes their own experiential evidence seriously, here's a tip if spring water (as recommended for the sole thing) isn't readily available for you:

Put some water into a glass and stir it quickly so that there's a standing vortex in the water, for about a minute. Alternatively you can use a blender to do the same thing.

Compare it to an identical glass with some of the same source water, unstirred.

The vortexed (restructured) water will be 'sparklier' in bright light, indicating some kind of physical change. Also note the texture of each glass of water when drinking -- the vortexed water is smoother and thinner.

The theory behind this is that water is a *liquid crystal* and is better for the body in 'restructured' form, as from vortexing, and also from being saturated with salt.

[John Nada]

For anyone here who still has a shred of credulity remaining *and* takes their own experiential evidence seriously, here's a tip if spring water (as recommended for the sole thing) isn't readily available for you:

Put some water into a glass and stir it quickly so that there's a standing vortex in the water, for about a minute. Alternatively you can use a blender to do the same thing.

Compare it to an identical glass with some of the same source water, unstirred.

The vortexed (restructured) water will be 'sparklier' in bright light, indicating some kind of physical change. Also note the texture of each glass of water when drinking -- the vortexed water is smoother and thinner.The vortex aerates the water. This dissolves oxygen, nitrogen, carbon dioxide and any other gas in the air. Aeration is necessary for things like brewing or hydroponics. Both already proven;).

The dissolved/suspended gases alter the viscosity, density and surface tension of the water. This alters visible of the water, changing it's color slightly. It's know as the Tyndall effect (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tyndall_effect)

The dissolved gases interacted with the water and form hydrated shells (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solvation_shell). Some gases such as carbon dioxide, chemically combined to make carbonic acid (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carbonic_acid), increasing the amount of proton ions(H+) and protonated water(Hydronium (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hydronium),H3O+) relative to unprotonated(H2O) or deprotonated water(hydroxide (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hydroxide),OH-). It self-ionizes. Normally both charged forms are equalmolar, but bases and acids alter this. The water will even dissolve traces amounts of the glass, forming silicic acid. The carbonic acid and silicic acid can interact with other trace ions, such as magnesium or calcium, and precipitating or dissolving them. The tonicity and conductivity change.

When the atmospheric gases dissolve and saturated beyond their solubility, this can causes a suspension of gaseous colloids between the polar water and non-polar air. The emulsions are commonly called "bubbles". The oxygen of the water sticks to the interfaces of the air bubble.

Water isn't one homogenous liquid. Hydronium forms several hydrates. Neutral water forms several polymers: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Water_cluster

All these things are going on at once in water. It's strange to think of all the contradictions that water has. There's really no compound like it. It's everywhere, everyone's familiar with it. Yet there's still much that's unknown. Perhaps this is why all known life needs it?
The theory behind this is that water is a *liquid crystal* and is better for the body in 'restructured' form, as from vortexing, and also from being saturated with salt.The tonicity does alter how good water is for you. Too high, your body can't handle it(drink seawater). Too low, you can get an electrolyte imbalance, fucking up you heart rhythm and causing water delirium. On a celluar level salt can dehydrate cells, as well as your whole body in large amounts(why I think that woman's an idiot). Without any salt, the cells expand, including the brain cells. They could rupture. The cells of one's body require a balance.

[Vladimir Innit Lenin]

the only person I have ever heard waxing half this lyrical about himalayan sea salt was a friend's new age hippy family member who also believed in David Icke-type conspiracy theories and that the government was controlling us through mobile phone waves.

It's just some fucking salt.

[Vladimir Innit Lenin]

also the fact that a supposed 'communist' is peddling this shit is hilarious

[ckaihatsu]

the only person I have ever heard waxing half this lyrical about himalayan sea salt was a friend's new age hippy family member who also believed in David Icke-type conspiracy theories and that the government was controlling us through mobile phone waves.

It's just some fucking salt.


Stereotyping.





also the fact that a supposed 'communist' is peddling this shit is hilarious


Assumption.

(Unless you want to PM me your credit card number and then I *will* find something to do with that.)

[Sperm-Doll Setsuna]

Salt is delicious, but that aside...

When you see someone use "detoxify" you know you're dealing with a crank.

[ckaihatsu]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Detoxification

[Vladimir Innit Lenin]

(Unless you want to PM me your credit card number and then I *will* find something to do with that.)

Don't fucking threaten me.

[ckaihatsu]

Don't fucking threaten me.


Not a threat.

Watch yourself, re: post #29.

[Cliff Paul]

It's just some fucking salt.

Why are you always so grumpy?

[Vladimir Innit Lenin]

Why are you always so grumpy?

I'm not.

I am typing on the internet. Emotions don't really come into this.

[Futility Personified]

Not sure if I have 'fiddle my search results' ticked on google but I searched '[I]t provides unrefined, mineral-rich salt in an ionic solution' and this thread was the third hit.

A lot of these things seem amazingly spurious to me, and generally, they do come from that same new-agey centre of 1000s of monkeys with crystal skulls typing onto hemp paper using ink extracted from dessicated roadkill that you get on facebook after liking something that sounds vaguely radical because you are bored. Will shoving dildos in your ears improve your sexuality on hearing whale song? The man doesn't want you to cut your toenails! Stirring cats hair into your tea will let you see into the future - as a cat!

Conversely i've known people who have lived to quite a ripe age who did adhere to the folksy 'eat this root, chew this bean' alternative medicine thing, but they didn't drink a shitload or smoke, they just prepared their own meals and lived reasonably sensible lives. Perhaps if you are into this sort of stuff, you will be more wary of what you are consuming and what you are doing to your body, but it doesn't make these possible health benefits true, it just means they aren't doing you any harm. Any adult can make their own choice and choose whatever they think is wise, but personally, I think it's a load of old rope and doubt it would seriously impede whatever health complications arise from the stresses and pressures of my existence.

[Vladimir Innit Lenin]

It's amazing the amount of research money that is wasted when it is common knowledge that the key to increasing your chances of living a long and healthy life are to eat 2000-2500 calories a day, minimising one's intake of saturated fat, sugar, and salt, and to exercise at least moderately.

It's quite simple and I think all of these flash in the pan solutions do more harm than good, because they distract people from understanding the core ideas when it comes to health and fitness - eat well, eat moderately, and exercise.

[ckaihatsu]

I'm finding that 'health' can be just like any other area -- like revolutionary politics -- where there's a certain amount of commitment required from the participant, otherwise one is just an observer casually looking in from the outside with little to distinguish fact from hype.

One thing I've noted is that it's curious that the body doesn't have an immediate 'health-feedback' sense, the way the sense of hunger unignorably relates to the need for food -- people can get fairly un-healthy without any immediate internal sense of slipping away from healthiness. Fortunately anything that *does* help the body *is* apparent, so I have much to say for using individual experiential evidence, or experience.

[John Nada]

Not sure if I have 'fiddle my search results' ticked on google but I searched '[I]t provides unrefined, mineral-rich salt in an ionic solution' and this thread was the third hit.Google keeps a profile on users to tailor the results to what Google thinks you want. It's been called "the bubble".

[ckaihatsu]

Not sure if I have 'fiddle my search results' ticked on google but I searched '[I]t provides unrefined, mineral-rich salt in an ionic solution' and this thread was the third hit.


Undermining capitalism, starting with the fat-cat salt barons.


= D

[Lord Testicles]

Fancy salt water? That's not a health plan.

[ckaihatsu]

Fancy salt water? That's not a health plan.


I'm unsure how to comment on the unrefined-('fancy')-sea-salt-versus-table-salt issue, but if one is willing to forego the minerals of the sea salt, then I suppose it would be worth trying out the less-costly option, if only experimentally.

I also realize that the very act of self-administration -- for anything -- has the effect of de-politicizing the subject, but revolutionaries hardly shy away from the practice of self-directed *education*, as for revolutionary politics, so I don't see why matters of health should be roped-off from the same approach.

[John Nada]

I'm unsure how to comment on the unrefined-('fancy')-sea-salt-versus-table-salt issue, but if one is willing to forego the minerals of the sea salt, then I suppose it would be worth trying out the less-costly option, if only experimentally.Forgoing the minerals found in sea salt is suicide, forgoing the product sea salt is not(unless that's your only source of said minerals).

Sea salts supposed benefits over regular table salt are only subjectively in taste,texture and aesthetics. Iodized table salt is fine, and better because of the very essential nutrient iodine. Even better with fluoridated salt. It is part of our conspiracy to destroy freedom, along with vaccines, vulgar music and dance, and marihuana.:p
I also realize that the very act of self-administration -- for anything -- has the effect of de-politicizing the subject, but revolutionaries hardly shy away from the practice of self-directed *education*, as for revolutionary politics, so I don't see why matters of health should be roped-off from the same approach.Not this time for me. Already tried that with Chinese "bath salts". Never again(because they're banned:crying:)!

[Sea]

It's amazing the amount of research money that is wasted when it is common knowledge that the key to increasing your chances of living a long and healthy life are to eat 2000-2500 calories a day, minimising one's intake of saturated fat, sugar, and salt, and to exercise at least moderately.I'm interested. Where does cocaine fit into this health plan of yours?
I'm unsure how to comment on the unrefined-('fancy')-sea-salt-versus-table-salt issue, but if one is willing to forego the minerals of the sea salt, then I suppose it would be worth trying out the less-costly option, if only experimentally.
Can you link any peer-reviewed studies showing that this stuff is effective in curing any disease whatsoever, or having any positive effect on health above what an ordinary multivitamin would have? I wish to see you filleted with unrefined himalayan salt in your wounds.

[ckaihatsu]

Can you link any peer-reviewed studies showing that this stuff is effective in curing any disease whatsoever, or having any positive effect on health above what an ordinary multivitamin would have? I wish to see you filleted with unrefined himalayan salt in your wounds.


So you're standing in for our *regular* Friday-night funny guy....

[Lord Testicles]

I'm unsure how to comment on the unrefined-('fancy')-sea-salt-versus-table-salt issue, but if one is willing to forego the minerals of the sea salt, then I suppose it would be worth trying out the less-costly option, if only experimentally.

Drinking salt water, regardless of what type of salt it is, is not a health plan. Considering the amount of salt in foods, adding a glass full of saltwater to the mix is probably not going to do anyone any favours.

[ckaihatsu]

Drinking salt water, regardless of what type of salt it is, is not a health plan.


Fortunately no one on this thread has advocated for the drinking of salt water. Here's why, from a web search:





While salt is often labeled by nutritionists as unhealthy and even dangerous for the body, it is refined (a.k.a. table) salt which has earned this acclaimed title. Refined salt not only does not provide us with the many minerals we need, it actually leaches minerals from the body! In other words, it is more than unhealthy; it is toxic to the body. On the other hand, unrefined sea salt is a necessary food, the balanced consumption of which has many positive effects on the body. The following article by Dr. Brownstein does a very good job of presenting the facts about refined and unrefined salt. Enjoy…




http://www.louix.org/the-difference-between-refined-salt-and-unrefined-salt/





Considering the amount of salt in foods, adding a glass full of saltwater to the mix is probably not going to do anyone any favours.


Here's the physical / quantum background to it, from post #17:


The Benefits of Negative Ions

http://www.detoxion.com/negative%20ions.htm

[Lord Testicles]

Fortunately no one on this thread has advocated for the drinking of salt water.


Since discovering sole, I start my day with a teaspoon of this powerfully detoxing and rejuvenating elixir. Because it requires only himalayan salt (or Real Salt), water, and a jar, this health treatment is accessible and affordable for everyone.

That's saltwater, what she is describing there is a recipe for saltwater. Do you want to know how I know it's a recipe for saltwater? Because when you add salt (Hippy-Himalayan or otherwise) to water you get... you guessed it! Saltwater!

[ckaihatsu]

That's saltwater, what she is describing there is a recipe for saltwater. Do you want to know how I know it's a recipe for saltwater? Because when you add salt (Hippy-Himalayan or otherwise) to water you get... you guessed it! Saltwater!


What you're pretending not to notice is that there's a *distinction* -- the plain term 'salt water' connotes someone dipping a cup into the ocean, or sprinkling table salt into a glass of water.

You're just being argumentative for the sake of it. If you don't want to do it, don't do it.

[Vladimir Innit Lenin]

I'm interested. Where does cocaine fit into this health plan of yours

Weekends.

Although i've never taken coke and apparently most of the stuff on the market is now close to 0% purity, so ain't gonna be trying it any time soon. My dishwasher powder will remain in my dishwasher and not up my nose :grin:

[Sea]

So you're standing in for our *regular* Friday-night funny guy....Can you provide any such studies or not?

[Lord Testicles]

You're just being argumentative for the sake of it. If you don't want to do it, don't do it.

That may be but that doesn't detract from the fact that this thread is about drinking saltwater and pretending that it's good for you.

[John Nada]

Fortunately no one on this thread has advocated for the drinking of salt water.I am. Take the salt MDMA HCl in water. Changes the ions in your brain to improve mood.
I'm interested. Where does cocaine fit into this health plan of yours?The salt cocaine HCl has been shown to cut the risk of testicular cancer in half. Fact.
Here's the physical / quantum background to it...That's just a bunch of basic(no pun intended) shit packaged as some new age cures. The minerals in unrefined salt are extremely trace. You may well get more from McDonald's.

In fact those links contradict each other. One says that "negative ions" are good for you, more the better. "Negative ions" is a fancy way of saying acids. citric, chloride, bromide, iodide, sulfuric, lysergic, whatever.

The next touts how much more balanced unrefined salt is, yet claims that it has less acids percentage wise, and that acids are bad for you. They claim that the bases are good for you. Sodium, potassium, uranium, cocaine, whatever.

Now there are a few things where adjusting your diet's ph may have a medical effect. Heartburn or ulcers, osteoporosis, or the rate of absorption or excretion of a substance. It is not a miracle cure or new. Nor are the products they're pitching particularly effect for that end.

[ckaihatsu]

Can you provide any such studies or not?


Offhand I don't know about the extent of research done on this -- the Internet is at your disposal.

[Sea]

Offhand I don't know about the extent of research done on this -- the Internet is at your disposal.the burdern of bullshit is on the one making the claims though

[ckaihatsu]

the burdern of bullshit is on the one making the claims though


I have no way of knowing whether or not the information I've provided will be satisfying to any given random person such as yourself -- since you're dissatisfied with what's here you'd be better off looking into it yourself as you'd like rather than antagonizing me.

[Halert]

ayy lmao
http://products.mercola.com/himalayan-salt/
"we may sell out of this salt very quickly because of all its incredible benefits -- that's why, if you are interested I encourage you to place your order as soon as possible!" not suspicious at all.

[ckaihatsu]

ayy lmao
http://products.mercola.com/himalayan-salt/
"we may sell out of this salt very quickly because of all its incredible benefits -- that's why, if you are interested I encourage you to place your order as soon as possible!" not suspicious at all.


Apologies to all for any commercialism within -- sometimes that's the only vehicle making something known to the public, due to the overarching economic paradigm of capitalism.

[Lord Testicles]

ayy lmao
http://products.mercola.com/himalayan-salt/
"we may sell out of this salt very quickly because of all its incredible benefits -- that's why, if you are interested I encourage you to place your order as soon as possible!" not suspicious at all.

"Hi, I'm Dr. Mercola and I'm a greasy fucking snake-oil salesman. Please give me money for bullshit you dirty hippy shitpipes."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_Mercola

http://www.quackwatch.org/11Ind/mercola.html
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_Mercola)

[Ceallach_the_Witch]

its full of minerals

like

salt

[Sea]

I probably piss more minerals than this stuff has. Seriously.

Hey I have a question. Does sole even supply iodine?

[ckaihatsu]

So, to recap:

- All illnesses in the body are caused by pathogens -- you can use Rife frequencies (engineered sound waves) to *eradicate* those pathogens, according to any particular illness. Do a search for 'youtube newtimer5' to get these for free.

- The negative ions provided by a sole salt solution assist cellular function and mitigate illness. Unrefined sea salt -- plus a glass jar -- is inexpensive and will last weeks and months.


And now:

- Diseases, including cancer, cannot take place in a bodily environment of alkalinity. One can use an inexpensive box of baking soda (sodium bicarbonate) to instantly create alkalinity in the body, to forestall -- or even eliminate -- the existence of disease-causing pathological growths.

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[Ethics Gradient, Traitor For All Ages]

That's actually one of the more dangerous, not to mention inefficient, methods of alkalizing one's body.

[ckaihatsu]

That's actually one of the more dangerous, not to mention inefficient, methods of alkalizing one's body.


The guy in the video shows lemon pieces in water, as an alternative.

[Sewer Socialist]

That's actually one of the more dangerous, not to mention inefficient, methods of alkalizing one's body.

Is it? Athletes have been doing it since the 70s, though people disagree on its effectiveness (I don't think it does; I also recall hearing that the acidity of lactic acid is not being the reason for anaerobic fatigue). What is a more efficient method, though?

[ckaihatsu]

The sea water drinkers

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Woman Finds Fountain of Youth By Drinking 6 Bottles of Water a Day

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Drinking Baking Soda for Health

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DIY fresh water - free solar soda bottle still easy

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[ckaihatsu]

Interesting development -- here's a very easy, quick way to get structured water:

I went to the dollar store and got a couple small bags of glass beads, as for use in a vase with plants -- they're not even perfectly round, though round marbles would probably be preferable, technically.

I found a plastic pint-sized squeezable water bottle and put the two bags of glass beads into it, then added water, screwed the cap on, and shook it vigorously like a cocktail shaker, for about 30 seconds. (I then had to add a couple of miscellaneous plastic pieces to take up the space and stabilize all the pieces within the container against the shaking so that the glass beads don't move around. I didn't even have to remove the glass beads from their original plastic mesh bags. I did wash everything with detergent first.)

So the whole water bottle is significantly *heavier*, obviously, but the repeated shaking of the water against all of the glass beads (or marbles) is sufficient to break down the molecular clusters, as happens naturally from the water's path through streams and rivers.

The test is to pour out the structured water -- by whatever means -- into a clear glass and compare side-by-side with regular (tap) water. Structured water is 'sparklier' in the light, and is much 'slippery-er' in texture. It can become *so* thin that it becomes almost impossible to drink it without drooling it somewhat, because of that physical quality.

[Armchair Partisan]

Reminds me of this quote: "You know what they call alternative medicine that works? Medicine."

[ckaihatsu]

Reminds me of this quote: "You know what they call alternative medicine that works? Medicine."


I've said this before on RevLeft, I'm saying it now, and I'm sure I'll have to say it again in the future:

Why is bourgeois *medicine* treated as an exception, when our / the revolutionary treatment of *all other* subjects -- like economics, for example -- is meticulously critical -- ?

I'm not making any 'medical' claims, except to say that some of this stuff I've looked into *will help* one's physiology in a positive way, meaning better health and less disease.

[Lord Testicles]

Haha, "bourgeois" medicine.

[Armchair Partisan]

I've said this before on RevLeft, I'm saying it now, and I'm sure I'll have to say it again in the future:

Why is bourgeois *medicine* treated as an exception, when our / the revolutionary treatment of *all other* subjects -- like economics, for example -- is meticulously critical -- ?

Medicine is not bourgeois or proletarian. Chemicals do not have class interests, nor do they care if you are a sweatshop worker or the richest bourgie on Earth. They either cure you, harm you, or have no effect regardless. We may criticize medicinal institutions, but not because they use the scientific method.

The scientific method - which involves evidence-based, peer-reviewed research and development of medicine - is just as good for us as it is for the bourgeoisie, I would believe. This is just a load of scientific-sounding words mashed together in order to appear legit. You are unwilling to provide any proper evidence that this works. If a medical scientist told his or her peers that they should do the research themselves if they don't believe his or her invention works, they'd be laughed out of the scientific arena in seconds.


I'm not making any 'medical' claims, except to say that some of this stuff I've looked into *will help* one's physiology in a positive way, meaning better health and less disease.

Yes, I too am aware of the placebo effect. It is the key behind the success of homeopathy, after all.

[ckaihatsu]

Medicine is not bourgeois or proletarian. Chemicals do not have class interests, nor do they care if you are a sweatshop worker or the richest bourgie on Earth. They either cure you, harm you, or have no effect regardless. We may criticize medicinal institutions, but not because they use the scientific method.

The scientific method - which involves evidence-based, peer-reviewed research and development of medicine - is just as good for us as it is for the bourgeoisie, I would believe. This is just a load of scientific-sounding words mashed together in order to appear legit.


I'm not claiming any credentials, or even credibility, regarding any of this stuff -- it's strictly f.y.i., based on my own forays into the information that's out there and my own follow-ups from experience.

In terms of *theory*, one possible *critique*, though, of the bourgeois (mainstream) 'approach' to medicine is that it's *reductionist*, in line with the common approach to *all* scientific investigations -- deductive reasoning, basically, as differentiated from *inductive* reasoning.

This isn't to question the validity or efficacy of this-or-that drug, but rather to say that such isn't the only *possible* approach to the issue of treatments / interventions regarding health.





You are unwilling to provide any proper evidence that this works.


In post #67 I described a method for thinning / 'restructuring' water that is accessible to *anyone* -- one only needs to get marbles, glass beads, or even just an assortment of small stones from nature anywhere to duplicate this 'experiment' and obtain results for oneself.





If a medical scientist told his or her peers that they should do the research themselves if they don't believe his or her invention works, they'd be laughed out of the scientific arena in seconds.


This is a *contradiction*, since you just mentioned 'evidence-based, peer-reviewed research', which is synonymous *with* 'peers [doing] the research themselves'.





Yes, I too am aware of the placebo effect. It is the key behind the success of homeopathy, after all.


I won't presume to speak one way or the other for homeopathy since I claim no knowledge or expertise regarding it -- I'm only going on a case-by-case basis here, with the particular specifics that I'm presenting.

[ckaihatsu]

Also borax:





Borax is considered an antimicrobial compound, a fungicide, anti-inflammatory, and detoxifying agent. As such, the substance is effective for preventing the accumulation of fluorides and other toxic substances in the body, removing parasites and bacteria, treating molds and other fungi and chelating the system of heavy metals. Borax also stimulates the production of important hormones and stabilizes calcium, copper and magnesium levels in the body to inhibit calcification.

Sodium borate is also effective for treating a variety of specific ailments. As an anti-inflammatory agent, borax effectively treats arthritis, gout, swollen gums and other inflammatory diseases. Additionally, the substance eliminates infection such as bladder infection, urinary tract infection and others. It has also been used to treat cancer, obesity, high blood pressure, arterial disease and osteoporosis.




http://www.earthclinic.com/remedies/borax.html

[ckaihatsu]

Also red pepper flakes:





What Are the Health Benefits of Crushed Red Pepper?

Crushed red pepper is a great addition to a meal and can help reduce inflammation.

If you want more flavor in your food plus health benefits like weight loss and pain relief, try adding crushed red pepper to your meals. In traditional Chinese medicine and Ayurveda, a traditional form of Indian medicine, red peppers have been used to treat digestive problems, circulatory problems, infections and arthritis. Most crushed red pepper mixtures contain a variety of different peppers such as bell, jalapeno, ancho and cayenne peppers, which range from mild and peppery to hot and spicy. The pepper seeds are included to increase the spice level.




http://healthyeating.sfgate.com/health-benefits-crushed-red-pepper-7217.html

[Ele'ill]

did you know that food provides nutrients and health benefits, and that usage-gimmicks are a market that preys on this

[BIXX]

Ckaihatsu, you felt the need to revive a thread that is dead by over a year and demonstrates your continued commitment to being into anti-scientific nonsense.... Why?

[ckaihatsu]

did you know that food provides nutrients and health benefits, and that usage-gimmicks are a market that preys on this





Ckaihatsu, you felt the need to revive a thread that is dead by over a year and demonstrates your continued commitment to being into anti-scientific nonsense.... Why?


As usual you both would rather issue a sweeping, summary opinion statement without dealing with the actual subject matter.

Just remember that your jumped-to-conclusions are facile and spurious. Do some research and/or get some personal experience, and *then* you'll have something to comment-on -- otherwise it's just spam from your mouths.

[Ele'ill]

What you're trying to do here is go back into your threads and add content that is more reasonable. For example, going into a thread about magical salt usage, with ts absolute lack of peer reviewed research/science, and post things about nutrition. Therefore, in your manipulative social magician mind, because one thing is relatively established, the other will be bought more easily as well.

Also to note is the question of whether dietary alterations can cure acute conditions in the way that you're describing with peppers. Isolating an element in the pepper and extracting it for further study doesn't mean that eating red pepper can cure inflammation, in everyone, or even generally. I like blueberries and peppers but they have no noticeable impact on inflammation, for me- whereas current studies do show that elements in peppers may offer future breakthroughs in treating inflammation.

[BIXX]

As usual you both would rather issue a sweeping, summary opinion statement without dealing with the actual subject matter.

Just remember that your jumped-to-conclusions are facile and spurious. Do some research and/or get some personal experience, and *then* you'll have something to comment-on -- otherwise it's just spam from your mouths.

Then explain how if peppers are anti-inflamatory how does pepper spray cause inflammation?

[Ele'ill]

Then explain how if peppers are anti-inflamatory how does pepper spray cause inflammation?

After getting sprayed or gassed just get more sprayed or gassed and it'll be fine.

[ckaihatsu]

Then explain how if peppers are anti-inflamatory how does pepper spray cause inflammation?


I guess it's a matter of internal vs. external -- I'm no expert, but it's a good question.

[Ele'ill]

We already know you're a bit of a woozer, it's not the first time you post this kind of dumb shit. It's what happens when you read the dumb, deranged crap that is posted on left-liberal newsgroups and newsletters. These people are more unbearable than right-wing nutters.

lol

[Ele'ill]

dude. stop posting this pseudo-scientific crap.

This is the first reply of this thread and I completely agree.

[ckaihatsu]

lol





This is the first reply of this thread and I completely agree.


You and the other misinformed posters should start your own club together -- 'The Misopinionators'.


x D

[Ele'ill]

i just think you should start to formulate opinions that aren't completely bunk marketing gimmicks used to prey on people

[ckaihatsu]

i just think you should start to formulate opinions that aren't completely bunk marketing gimmicks used to prey on people


See -- instead of using real information you're just making spurious accusations, as though I would somehow personally *benefit* from any potential commercial transactions. I have *zero* personal and/or financial interests in whatever it is that you find so offensive, without your knowing about *any* of it.

Instead of being hypersensitive why not just move along if it doesn't superficially appeal to you -- ? Nooooo, for you this is some sort of huge crusade, because you'd rather villify me as some sort of evil capitalist. All untrue, as usual.

[BIXX]

Lol, ckaihatsu thinks that not wanting capitalist marketing gimmicks on a revolutionary anti-capitalist forum is a crusade.

[ckaihatsu]

Lol, ckaihatsu thinks that not wanting capitalist marketing gimmicks on a revolutionary anti-capitalist forum is a crusade.


No, I was speaking more generally about Ele'ill -- I usually don't post anything that's commercial, but *information* about the same is *not* a bad thing. It's quite a gray-area, obviously.

[BIXX]

Ckaihatsu, the problem is actually the fact that you have spent years posting that kind of crap, along with email spam and nuisance graphics. It's that users have found this behavior disruptive for years and when you are called on that shit, you evade and deny and hope to god that everyone else will grow tired of it and give up. The reality is that given this trend that stretches across years has been well documented over and over again, and so trying to pretend it's an issue of a crusade against you (why? You're really not important enough for a crusade) by a small group of users is obviously false, when a variety of users from a variety of ideological backgrounds have been calling you on your behavior for years. I really can't find a way to spoon-feed this to you any more than we already have.

[ckaihatsu]

I really can't find a way to spoon-feed this to you any more than we already have.


Thanks for being so considerate, since I happen to take all my food by... uh, -yawn- *spoon*. (grin)





Ckaihatsu, the problem is actually the fact that you have spent years posting that kind of crap, along with email spam and nuisance graphics. It's that users have found this behavior disruptive for years and when you are called on that shit, you evade and deny and hope to god that everyone else will grow tired of it and give up. The reality is that given this trend that stretches across years has been well documented over and over again, and so trying to pretend it's an issue of a crusade against you (why? You're really not important enough for a crusade) by a small group of users is obviously false, when a variety of users from a variety of ideological backgrounds have been calling you on your behavior for years.


Well, I of course don't agree with your neat little sum-up here, but that aside, it *is* becoming a crusade at this point since you and Ele'ill have repeated your trivial one-sided concerns repeatedly, after the material issue itself is over, spamming up several other threads with your collective self-centered opinion-making and dictatorial demands of the board.

I don't know what you hope to accomplish with this endless harassment, but it's not welcome, *and* it's inappropriate. Perhaps you want to be my lead historian, or something like that -- I would really think that the both of you would have better things to do with your time. I certainly do, than to ceaselessly defend myself against your obvious frame-ups and juvenile antics.

[Ele'ill]

Thanks for being so considerate, since I happen to take all my food by... uh, -yawn- *spoon*. (grin)





Well, I of course don't agree with your neat little sum-up here, but that aside, it *is* becoming a crusade at this point since you and Ele'ill have repeated your trivial one-sided concerns repeatedly, after the material issue itself is over, spamming up several other threads with your collective self-centered opinion-making and dictatorial demands of the board.

I don't know what you hope to accomplish with this endless harassment, but it's not welcome, *and* it's inappropriate. Perhaps you want to be my lead historian, or something like that -- I would really think that the both of you would have better things to do with your time. I certainly do, than to ceaselessly defend myself against your obvious frame-ups and juvenile antics.

It wasn't a crusade though but that's a really funny accusation coming from someone who spams copy pasted automated newsletter messages from their inbox to the point that multiple users find it disruptive, across many years.

You also tried to fuck up at least two threads I started, the one you posted an insanely long copy pasted newsletter from your inbox without even removing the email header or close, and the other had very little to do with the thread given it's location and was copy pasted news spam. You also derailed the russia is an imperialist country thread so that you could talk about this there too.

[ckaihatsu]

It wasn't a crusade though but that's a really funny accusation coming from someone who spams copy pasted automated newsletter messages from their inbox to the point that multiple users find it disruptive, across many years.


This is exactly the point I'm making -- instead of trying to engage with others like myself you and your identical twin there, BIXX, just come out shooting, making accusations and calling for your own policy, instead of trying to dialogue.

*Your* opinion and definition of 'spam' has to be the prevailing one, and you both think that you speak for every last member on the board just by saying so.

You make up ad-hoc policies like all news items *have* to have discussions following them, etc.





You also tried to fuck up at least two threads I started, the one you posted an insanely long copy pasted newsletter from your inbox without even removing the email header or close, and the other had very little to do with the thread given it's location and was copy pasted news spam. You also derailed the russia is an imperialist country thread so that you could talk about this there too.


You're just making empty accusations and expecting everyone to just take you on your word, as if you're the correct party here -- people are *not* idiots, and your self-centered agenda-setting will only go so far, so be very careful as to who you try this shit on.

[Ele'ill]

This is exactly the point I'm making -- instead of trying to engage with others like myself you and your identical twin there, BIXX, just come out shooting, making accusations and calling for your own policy, instead of trying to dialogue.

*Your* opinion and definition of 'spam' has to be the prevailing one, and you both think that you speak for every last member on the board just by saying so.

You make up ad-hoc policies like all news items *have* to have discussions following them, etc.

the threads and a lot of the posts you make are the definition of spam


You're just making empty accusations and expecting everyone to just take you on your word, as if you're the correct party here -- people are *not* idiots, and your self-centered agenda-setting will only go so far, so be very careful as to who you try this shit on.

There's an entire thread's worth of user complaints about your spam and how its disruptive, but i'm sure you remember deciding to ignore most of that.

[BIXX]

This is exactly the point I'm making -- instead of trying to engage with others like myself you and your identical twin there, BIXX, just come out shooting, making accusations and calling for your own policy, instead of trying to dialogue.
You disrupt every attempt at dialogue if it involves any changes to you're behavior because you don't believe you can be in the wrong, which is typical of someone who fails to realize or care that they harm others. We tried dialogue but you wouldn't budge or even admit that you could see why others might find it a problem and making even minor changes to your behavior- you couldn't do any of that, instead you evaded and lied and now we're here. I wonder how you've fucked people over in the real world ckaihatsu?


*Your* opinion and definition of 'spam' has to be the prevailing one, and you both think that you speak for every last member on the board just by saying so.
99.99% of the current and historical user base agrees with our "definition of spam" (which happens to be the dictionary definition)- as we've documented in the Ckaihatsu spamming thread.


You make up ad-hoc policies like all news items *have* to have discussions following them, etc.
I look at cnn for news that doesn't need discussion, or news that isn't revolutionary.
By the way, this is from the description of the news and ongoing struggles subforum...

Discuss political method and news from around the world and how this affects our struggle against capitalism and oppression
Note:

Discuss political method and news
You indeed do have to at least try at conversation, ckaihatsu.


You're just making empty accusations and expecting everyone to just take you on your word, as if you're the correct party here
We have provided actual proof while you just tried to piss in everyone's eyes and hope no one knew it was you who did it.


-- people are *not* idiots,
You're not a person then.


and your self-centered agenda-setting will only go so far, so be very careful as to who you try this shit on.
Does threatening people on the internet get you off or something dude?

[ckaihatsu]

Okay, since there's been so much spillover of off-topic flaming-type posts into various threads, I'm going to start issuing warnings and infractions for such. The threads to watch are these in particular:


Stop Deportations Action-Oct 6th! [Gary, IN] [buses from Chicago]

https://www.revleft.space/vb/threads/199902-Stop-Deportations-Action-Oct-6th!-Gary-IN-buses-from-Chicago?p=2888765#post2888765


Russia is an Imperialist Country

https://www.revleft.space/vb/threads/197922-Russia-is-an-Imperialist-Country


Sole (so-lay) -- a health plan for those who can afford unrefined sea salt

https://www.revleft.space/vb/threads/192551-Sole-(so-lay)-a-health-plan-for-those-who-can-afford-unrefined-sea-salt


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[ckaihatsu]

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