Bringing a Rubber Knife to A Gun Fight!

[T.A.Frawley]

So I've been reading some of the threads here and some people have written about the need for a violent revolution order for the working class to over throw the capitalists. However, as I see unless by some miraculous event the working class was able to obtain large arms they would only have small arms to work with. Considering that the U.S.

Military and others already are used to "Protect American Interests" which as I understand is code for taking control of other nations resources as repayment for the political contributions of Capitalists. Plus considering that local government turned the police which are becoming more militarized against Occupy Protesters. Would our Military and Police with large arms not just squash any violent revolution like a bug on windshield.

With that in mind isn't the only possible hope some form of non-violent revolution. Regardless whether to establish Communism or Democratic Socialism.

[John Nada]

This is all hypothetical. Not even close to a revolutionary event like this type yet. I think all fantasies should be keep to a minimum. There's different theories on the zombie apocalypse. That said, armchair revolution!:)
So I've been reading some of the threads here and some people have written about the need for a violent revolution order for the working class to over throw the capitalists. However, as I see unless by some miraculous event the working class was able to obtain large arms they would only have small arms to work with. Considering that the U.S.In the case of the US, there's a 2nd Amendment and enough guns to arm every single person. Also a lot of infrastructure and educated people.
Military and others already are used to "Protect American Interests" which as I understand is code for taking control of other nations resources as repayment for the political contributions of Capitalists. Plus considering that local government turned the police which are becoming more militarized against Occupy Protesters. Would our Military and Police with large arms not just squash any violent revolution like a bug on windshield.Unfortunately, theoretically they may will try. Being professional forces it's unlike that there will be a lot of defectors/deserters(though there might be some), unless they end up resorting to conscription. Many(most?) of the military are combat ready. Not all the cops are(desk jobs). Still, if only 1% of the population supported it, that would nearly match them in number. It's possible that if it got to that point at least a significant minority of the population would support them. Either side could spit into rivals, for better or worse.

Also it'd not just be in the US. It'd likely have already happened in some other nations, or cocurrently. Even if the US happened to be the first in a global socialist revolution(which it is be global for it to eventually finally succeed), think about how it'd effect other nations. They might have to pull out of the others. The stock market and dollar might crash. There this saying that if the US sneezes, Canada catches a cold and Mexico the flu. Or they could pounce on the the would-be revolution, like they did with Russia(over a dozen countries invaded them):(. But even that might free up others.
With that in mind isn't the only possible hope some form of non-violent revolution. Regardless whether to establish Communism or Democratic Socialism.Most of it should be non-violent. Think worker's councils, land reform(where needed), or things like the Black Panthers' free lunch program. Stuff like that, big and little things. Dual power.

[Anglo-Saxon Philistine]

The social power of the proletariat is in their relation to the means of production, not military force. The proletariat can seize the means of production as direct producers, they can disrupt the functioning of the bourgeois state as direct producers, etc. And of course, the proletariat will split the imperialist armies along class lines, with proletarian and plebeian conscripts (even de-facto conscripts) turning their guns against their officers, against the police, loyalist forces etc.

[VivalaCuarta]

The last time that the workers were on the brink of revolution in an imperialist country was probably France in May 1968. There have been other close situations but May '68 in France was a really clear cut example worth studying.

The president fled the country, the French army was not considered to be trustworthy by the bourgeoisie.

What saved the capitalists wasn't their technical military superiority, it was treasonous class collaboration by the Stalinists and Social Democrats.

The Stalinists pushed the Evian accords on a restive strike/occupation movement. The Mandelite pseudo-Trotskyists accepted "structural reforms." Without a revolutionary leadership, the initiative taken by the Vietnamese liberation struggle and continued by the French proletariat was lost.

[T.A.Frawley]

Very interesting and informative thank you. I've also been reading some of the stuff over at communism.org and its helped me understand more as well.