Reverse Racism?

[mushroompizza]

Do you believe reverse racism exists in america or elsewhere on earth? What is to be done about it or its myth? Has it ever affected your life?

[Antiochus]

Yeah, I've been victimized a lot as a White man. I hate the fact that the media has allowed to both be considered the epitome of success and physical attractiveness.

Like for example, one time I was sitting on a bus on the way to my gated community and this old Black lady was like "***** gtfo of my seat", suddenly the policeman nearby starting hitting me with his rifle butt and threw me in jail for disturbing the peace.

Another time I remember seeing this youtube video of 2 white guys fighting and all the Black people started posting about how Whites were human scum that needed to be exterminated.

Back to the real world.

[Asero]

Racism as in stereotyping and so on upon white people do exist, but racism as systematic structural oppression on white people does not.

I would also like to add that the term 'reverse racism' is stupid.

[Stirnerian]

Minority-on-majority racism is not the same thing as 'reverse racism'.

It's entirely possible for a member of a racial or ethnic minority to hold biological/'scientific' racialist views of a dominant majority. The Nation Of Islam believes that whites were created by an evil scientist from outer space. That's little different from something like Nazi theosophy.

What is meant by 'reverse racism' is something more sinister and subtle - and nonexistent: that liberal Western civilization has been bent - by whites themselves (through the insidious worldview of 'Cultural Marxism') - against their white majorities. This is patent nonsense: if we 'Cultural Marxists' had such power, I can assure you, we'd have redistributed the means of production and to Hell with some sort of cultural liberalism.

A personal story: I'm a white male, and perpetually unemployed. I applied the other day at a clothing store with a predominant African-American clientele. I never got a call back. Should I then cry about my 'victimization'?

No. Because I submitted my application on-line. The proprietor never saw my face. Every time I've heard some woebegotten anecdote about 'reverse racism' it has boiled down into some similar banality.

The secret of the human condition: a great many people enjoy feeling victimized. It makes them feel morally in the right. An emotional relic of martyr-religions.

[Mr. Piccolo]

It's entirely possible for a member of a racial or ethnic minority to hold biological/'scientific' racialist views of a dominant majority. The Nation Of Islam believes that whites were created by an evil scientist from outer space. That's little different from something like Nazi theosophy.

I am glad you mentioned the Nation of Islam because they and other black nationalist groups are often used as examples of "reverse racism." This sort of racism, like individual racism, isn't institutional because the racism is not manifested or practiced by dominant racial groups or institutions.

I suppose whites could be oppressed in countries where they are the minority, but in many cases these white people were part of a former colonial ruling group and are often wealthier than the native people, so it is tricky.

[Stirnerian]

I agree with you: the difference is whether or not the racism is institutionalized, overtly or not.

The Nation Of Islam is also a strawman stand-in for other black nationalist groups. The Panthers never shared anything with them beyond a taste for flashy clothes.

[Rafiq]

I agree with you: the difference is whether or not the racism is institutionalized, overtly or not.

The Nation Of Islam is also a strawman stand-in for other black nationalist groups. The Panthers never shared anything with them beyond a taste for flashy clothes.

Yes but even these racialist theories have connotations of inferiority. Whites are inherently "cruel, cold, calculating" while blacks are "stupid, lazy, promiscuous". These have connotations of power. Could you imagine a Gaul saying Romans are "stupid, lazy and promiscuous savages"?

The point is simple: what is "whiteness" and how did it emerge. Why is it not "Italian" or "British". Because the black identity was built by slavery, by assorting people's from a wide array of different cultural, ethnic and religious backgrounds and designating them all as "black". Whiteness, was therefore built upon the subjegation of blacks, as a reflexive designative identity. White = "Non-colored" in other words. Otherwise, what else do these European nationalities have in common?

[Ethics Gradient, Traitor For All Ages]

If I'm recalling correctly, the Yakub story is that he took all of the negative traits naturally present in 'original man' and stripped out all of the good qualities which balanced them out to create the white race. So there's definitely an element of self blame present in the creation myth, but really that seems true for most creation myths when dealing with the devil, devils, demons, etc. The believers are always partly to blame themselves for setting evil loose into the world.

[mushroompizza]

I suppose there is anti white discrimInation. But not institutional racism.

[Celtic_0ne]

racism is racism whether its institutional or not, same goes for sexism

[Creative Destruction]

racism is racism whether its institutional or not, same goes for sexism

this is fucking stupid. it's not the same.

[John Nada]

Do you believe reverse racism exists in america or elsewhere on earth?No. It's not anything genetic, so it's conceivable that there could be a society where white people face racism(not reverse anything) from non-white people. I am not aware of any, even in "ex"-colonies the White settlers and lighter skin people seem to be privileged.
What is to be done about it or its myth?It's a lie. The answer is full communism.
Has it ever affected your life?No, just regular racism. White friends/family might occasionally hear some prejudiced comment, but not anything that's "reverse"-racism.

Edit: Apparently Antiochus was being sarcastic.:unsure: Oh well, here's a strawman.
Yeah, I've been victimized a lot as a White man. I hate the fact that the media has allowed to both be considered the epitome of success and physical attractiveness.As a straight cis-male, I too hate being the standard. It's hard with all this reverse-sexism, reverse-homophobia and reverse-transphobia going around.:rolleyes:
Like for example, one time I was sitting on a bus on the way to my gated community and this old Black lady was like "***** gtfo of my seat", suddenly the policeman nearby starting hitting me with his rifle butt and threw me in jail for disturbing the peace.That's horrible that the cop acted like a cop(an asshole). But what makes this woman's possible prejudice against White people the same as racism(prejudice+power)? You're individualizing it like liberals do. Racism isn't one person using a prejudiced comment. It's institutionalized and systemic. It's been shown that if a person of color comes in contact with the police, they have a much greater risk of something worse happening. Though white people can sometimes face prejudice(not nearly as much as oppressed peoples) and oppression in other areas, such as gender, sexual orientation or class. How do you know it wasn't because you're a (lumpen-)proletarian?
Another time I remember seeing this youtube video of 2 white guys fighting and all the Black people started posting about how Whites were human scum that needed to be exterminated.How can you tell someone's real race over the internet?
Back to the real world.Already here.

[Brandon's Impotent Rage]

*pst* Hey, Juan. I think you may have missed Antiochus's sarcasm.


Anyway, reverse racism is complete and utter bullshit.

Does actual racism against white people exist? Yeah, perhaps (note the NoI references). But when people talk about 'reverse racism', that isn't what they are referring to.

No, when people are referring to 'reverse racism', they are actually just whining about the 'implications' of various civil rights legislation and social attitudes that are meant to counter historical and current injustices, caused by ACTUAL racism.

Examples include the Voting Rights Act, Affirmative Action, Integration, etc....

[John Nada]

*pst* Hey, Juan. I think you may have missed Antiochus's sarcasm.Apparently it can be hard(for me) to detect sarcasm over the internet too.:blushing:

[#FF0000]

racism is racism whether its institutional or not, same goes for sexism

No that is the farthest thing from true. One is "this person said a mean thing" and the other is violence upon an entire population of people.

[BIXX]

racism is racism whether its institutional or not, same goes for sexism
I thought we restricted racists.

[#FF0000]

The "why isn't he restricted" thing is beyond annoying. Let people say stupid shit for a little while without threatening them with exile imo

[Бай Ганьо]

racism is racism whether its institutional or not, same goes for sexism


this is fucking stupid. it's not the same.


No that is the farthest thing from true. One is "this person said a mean thing" and the other is violence upon an entire population of people.

I don't think that Celtic One meant that non-institutional and institutional racism are exactly the same, rather that both depart from the idea of inequality based on race. In that sense, what he clumsily expressed is true, but banal.

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Mainstream media sometimes report on anti-white propaganda in Zimbabwe. I have no clue about the veracity of these allegations, and even if they were true, the discrimination is still far from being systemic.

[Celtic_0ne]

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

[Celtic_0ne]

If a coloured person said "I hate white people." Would that not still be racism? no it isnt institutional but it is still racism.

[Ethics Gradient, Traitor For All Ages]

coloured person

:what:

[Celtic_0ne]

:what:
whats your problem?

[Ethics Gradient, Traitor For All Ages]

Are you posting from a time machine?

[Celtic_0ne]

yes

[Celtic_0ne]

you want me to just say black/brown person?

[Ethics Gradient, Traitor For All Ages]

Um well I don't think brown person is much of an improvement over coloured person, so no. Have you been outside of Utah before?

[Celtic_0ne]

not really no. but i guess that would have an impact on my terminology

[Vladimir Innit Lenin]

Racism as in stereotyping and so on upon white people do exist, but racism as systematic structural oppression on white people does not.

I would also like to add that the term 'reverse racism' is stupid.

^^/thread. I don't know how anybody could be clearer than Asero has been.

[#FF0000]

If a coloured person said "I hate white people." Would that not still be racism? no it isnt institutional but it is still racism.

First off, "colored person" is definitely not the correct terminology and is going to garner you a lot of strange looks. It's about equivalent in 2015 to calling someone a "negro".

Either way, as for the rest of your post, one is someone being a dick, and the other is a social issue. Plus racial discrimination by white people is sometimes backed up with institutional power. We're talking about the difference between groups like the Black Israelites dressing up like idiots and shouting about white people on a street corner, and entire minority neighborhoods being destroyed to make room for, say, the Cross-Bronx Expressway, or targeted specifically for drug enforcement.

This is stuff that happens in Utah too, by the way. In Salt Lake City circa 2010 (iirc), crystal meth and heroin made up about 2/3s of the illegal drug trade. However, SLC police focused their efforts on crack cocaine, which itself didn't make up anywhere close to 1/3rd of drug crime in the city. However, most meth and heroin was being sold and carried by white people. Crack cocaine, on the other hand, was more common in black neighborhoods. So instead of going after the bulk of the drug trade, they went for what amounted to pocket-change and went after crack cocaine in black neighborhoods almost exclusively. This isn't uncommon at all in drug enforcement -- police routinely go after poor, black neighborhoods, even though drugs are just as common in white and middle-class neighborhoods.

[Antiochus]

Yes but even these racialist theories have connotations of inferiority. Whites are inherently "cruel, cold, calculating" while blacks are "stupid, lazy, promiscuous". These have connotations of power. Could you imagine a Gaul saying Romans are "stupid, lazy and promiscuous savages"?

The point is simple: what is "whiteness" and how did it emerge. Why is it not "Italian" or "British". Because the black identity was built by slavery, by assorting people's from a wide array of different cultural, ethnic and religious backgrounds and designating them all as "black". Whiteness, was therefore built upon the subjegation of blacks, as a reflexive designative identity. White = "Non-colored" in other words. Otherwise, what else do these European nationalities have in common?

The Romans and Greeks did have racialist theories though. Just read Tacitus' Germania.

The "white" race (and "black") were born in the Americas. It is natural for people with somewhat similar cultural, linguistic and phenotypic traits to aggregate. Eventually their initial differences begin to fade with time and intermarriage. This was subsequently transplanted back to Europe.

The concept of a "white" race" was still somewhat rare in Europe in the 18th century. It can thus be surmised that with the global clout of Anglo-Saxon hegemony (first Britain, then America) these racial ideas were eventually incorporated in Europe. It is interesting to note that racial consciousness follows from national consciousness. Both are quite identical political beliefs and the former follows the latter.

[#FF0000]

The Romans and Greeks did have racialist theories though. Just read Tacitus' Germania.

Yeaaah but that stuff was more like run-of-the mill chauvinism and xenophobia, more akin to hating on people from another part of town or another state or province.

[Antiochus]

Yeaaah but that stuff was more like run-of-the mill chauvinism and xenophobia, more akin to hating on people from another part of town or another state or province.

Debatable. Its a fact that the Romans used slaves according (among several factors) due to their nationality (regardless of actual ability). For example, Greeks were considered effeminate but intelligent and refined, so even illiterate Greeks were sometimes used as tutors. Celts were much more often used as gladiators. Germans were later used by as imperial bodyguards etc...

Racism is chauvinism as well. I mean, "racism" is just the extension of chauvinism by clustering people with the closest phenotypic traits.

As far as racism goes. Racism has several components (I am talking about institutionalized racism):
1) Xenophobia. Unfortunately, this is a common human trait. It can be fought against by education and exposure to different people and ideas, but it won't ever be destroyed. Its a biological mechanism for humans. Babies for example tend to prefer adults that "look" (i.e "racially") like them. They also prefer better-looking people, but that is another topic. This is your run in the mill "Blacks are bad, white good" racism. Anyone can be this type of racist.
2) Economic and political dominance. Political dominance tends to follow economic dominance, although I suppose both can be interchangeable. People have an intrinsic desire to justify this dominance with ideology. So for example: "Why are we richer than the Blacks in the Ghetto"..... "We work harder; blacks are lazy". Its a simplistic rationale for a pretty complex problem. Human stupidity 101.
3) Historical: People tend to associate history with current fact. Although its interesting because off course its very selective history. Peoples that had "great Empires" are respected by racists. That is why white supremacists actually tend to like the Chinese for example.

Now, there is nothing that can be done about #1 that will eliminate it. What must be eliminated is #2 and education on #3.

[#FF0000]

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Yeah but stereotypes exist along regional and national lines too, but nobody considers folks from, say, the southern United States as a separate "race" from folks in the North, or that Dutch people are a separate race from Belgians. The modern concept of race is about trying to differentiate groups based on genetic differences (which don't actually exist in any meaningful sense).

[Rafiq]

The Romans and Greeks did have racialist theories though. Just read Tacitus' Germania.


You're missing the point. Aside from the fact that ironically, this alone disproves the notion of race considering blond hair and blue eyes were considered to be deformations with connotations of inferiority, my point was that it would be unimaginable for a Gaul to call a Roman "Lazy, stupid" and so on. My point is that racialist theories have connotations of power. A Gaul could, hypothetically, call Romans "Cold, calculating, ruthless" or whatever you want, and this would have an approximate connotation of power. The point is not that "racialist" theories are unique to capitalism (Even though, in their present form, they certainly are), the point is that they carry definite contextual meanings which makes it impossible to talk of "reverse" racism, in that racism itself is built on relationships of power, not simply looking an other straight in the eyes as an equal, and thinking they're "different therefore bad". That is utterly nonsensical!



1) Xenophobia. Unfortunately, this is a common human trait. It can be fought against by education and exposure to different people and ideas, but it won't ever be destroyed. Its a biological mechanism for humans.

Aside from this being utterly wrong by the example you yourself provided: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2566511/ (also http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2566514/ and http://www.apa.org/monitor/dec00/lookalike.aspx). And even if it was correct, all it would demonstrate is that human babies prefer the faces of those who look most like their parents (most likely mothers). It has nothing to do with any kind of innate xenophobia, even if the notion had solid foundations - which it doesn't. The fact of the matter is that this is wholly untrue. There is nothing biological about xenophobia or racism. Let's ignore the fact that there is no empirical evidence to even come close to supporting this notion - that it is "biological" - let's pay attention to the fact that the mere insistence that xenophobia or racism is biologically intrinsic to humans itself is a means of legitimizing present forms of real, structurally refined and perpetuated racism. Ultimately, there is no correlation between Xenophobia as such, and the "racial" differences of people on a directly physical level. What physiological differences there are, are completely and wholly dependent on the social connotations of those races - in other words, the place those "races" or nations have within the totality of our existing order. Take for example: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/fa/Scientific_racism_irish.jpg. We already know that xenophobia can be destroyed, because the forms xenophobia has taken throughout history have been historically relative. Americans aren't going to be Xenophobic to European tourists, but they certainly will be xenophobic toward Mexican immigrants. But let's look at your own qualifications for this "intrinsic" biological reality: The Romans AND Greeks enslaved vast swaths of nations and people's and were xenophobic to people who looked similar to them - by our own standards, people of the same race. Likewise, how could a baby "naturally" see these racially similar people as outsiders, if the very reason for them being outsiders is linked to biology or racially similar phenotypic traits?

The answer is that it has nothing, absolutely nothing to do with biology. Even if, in a vacuum, you took humans born in no particular social formation and gave them a different looking person to see what happened, it wouldn't matter if they would react in a hostile manner, because humans will never be constitutive of a non-social formation - as social animals. Racism cannot be combated through "education", the taming of our "natural" instincts but through the synchronicity of struggle - the universality of the Communist struggle binds the peoples of all nations and all "races" together whether they would prefer it "in a vacuum" or not - it changes their "natural instincts" wherein their survival has no room for racism, ultimately a tool to divide the working people. That the social antagonisms of capitalism are global now, the foundations of national and racial difference being done away with are 100% present. As it goes, a trans-national world could have no racism, as it would eliminate the actual foundations of it. I mean, are you even aware of the xenophobia in the 21st century being owed to the pressures of globalization on wages, the precariousness of job security and so on? To attribute this to "biology" is absolutely sickening. It is intellectually lazy to attribute the fact that in every social formation before capitalism (Let's concede this, whether it is true or not doesn't matter) there has been xenophobia to "innate" biological characteristics, rather than recognizing the unique, relative factors which gave way to it. Before capitalism, nothing even remotely similar to the computer, to virtual reality gaming, or to the state in its present form in all its complexity had existed. Does this mean you could have said we were biologically incapable of this, before capitalism?


3) Historical: People tend to associate history with current fact. Although its interesting because off course its very selective history. Peoples that had "great Empires" are respected by racists. That is why white supremacists actually tend to like the Chinese for example.


No, the respect for the Chinese, the Japanese, among other empires of the orient stems uniquely from the lack of a mass influx of immigration from those countries, alongside the fact that we are not presently at war with them. Not to mention the ideological connotations attributed to them - for the same reason that the nazis were fascinated with Eastern spirituality, a means to deter the antagonisms of capitalism onto solely "spiritual" problems and so on. During the Chinese immigration in the US during the industrial revolution, I doubt such racists - in California at least - would hold such reservations. And this completely discounts the fact that Africans had various great empires of their own, yet this is completely brushed off from the minds of racists. What you fail to recognize is why history is selectively articulated by racists, it is NOT a misunderstanding that can be eliminated with education. So long as the social predispositions for it exist, it in effect will still exist.

Now, there is nothing that can be done about #1 that will eliminate it. What must be eliminated is #2 and education on #3.

[Rafiq]

Yeah but stereotypes exist along regional and national lines too, but nobody considers folks from, say, the southern United States as a separate "race" from folks in the North, or that Dutch people are a separate race from Belgians. The modern concept of race is about trying to differentiate groups based on genetic differences (which don't actually exist in any meaningful sense).

Indeed but these genetic differences will always be solely national differences. When blacks were brought to the US en masse, indiscriminate of their diverse cultural backgrounds, they then became constitutive of a nation. Or, in terms of capitalism, a sub-nation. All nations are subservient to social formations, the reason we don't have talk of genetic differences between the Dutch and Belgians is that they constitute the same social formation. To talk of genetic differences with regard to race only has one purpose: Which is the justification of racial oppression and nothing more. There are no exceptions, there is not one meaningful pretense to race being genetic that was not an avowed political justification for racism.

I will say it again: ANYTHING with political significance whatsoever that is deemed "natural" or innately human is most certainly neither of those.

[Comrade #138672]

It is a myth designed to obscure the effects of institutional racism. This immediately explains why racists are so eager to counter genuine accusations of racism with accusations of "reverse racism".

[Creative Destruction]

If a coloured person said "I hate white people." Would that not still be racism? no it isnt institutional but it is still racism.

it doesn't have the same effect as institutional racism. a white person hearing a person of color saying that isn't going to incur any societal problems for the white person.

[mbalmedpoet]

Unless the white person is in an area where black people have been historically suppressed.

[mushroompizza]

Reverse racism is not institutionalized but it does exist and minority on majority oppression is possible look at South Africa.

[#FF0000]

Reverse racism is not institutionalized but it does exist and minority on majority oppression is possible look at South Africa.

Yeah but the minority in this case wielded institutional power.

[RA89]

I'm not white but it is a tricky issue.
I know white people aren't facing what coloured people do but I'd be lying if I said I didn't feel guilty listening to stuff like
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aoHZ5HE_O0Q

[mushroompizza]

I am white, it is a nice beat but very racist. I understand their racism, I see why they have hate in their hearts anybody would. Just remember the only way to combat racism is through kindness and integration.

[BIXX]

I am white, it is a nice beat but very racist. I understand their racism, I see why they have hate in their hearts anybody would. Just remember the only way to combat racism is through kindness and integration.
So, where did you buy those shrooms? They seem to be pretty damn good.

[MarxistWorld]

Yeah I think that there is a dangerous behaviour pattern in many black people in America (not all blacks) to blame all whites, all latinos for all the racism done against blacks in the past, or for the racism exercised by the latest white policemen against blacks (like Trayvon Martin, Michael Brown). And I think that it's a little bit like the hatred that many Israeli jews have against palestines, for all the suffering and evil done against israeli jews by Hitler.

And since there is not an organized left in America and since many blacks do not know, or are not aware that a communist workers state is the only solution for racism, many blacks behave in a rude way against latinos, whites and other non black population

I am white, but around where I live there are some black people and I try to say hi to them and to be friendly and nice with them, and most of them look at me, if i was a white racist person.





Yeah, I've been victimized a lot as a White man. I hate the fact that the media has allowed to both be considered the epitome of success and physical attractiveness.

Like for example, one time I was sitting on a bus on the way to my gated community and this old Black lady was like "***** gtfo of my seat", suddenly the policeman nearby starting hitting me with his rifle butt and threw me in jail for disturbing the peace.

Another time I remember seeing this youtube video of 2 white guys fighting and all the Black people started posting about how Whites were human scum that needed to be exterminated.

Back to the real world.

[BIXX]

Oh Jesus.

Muh anti-white oppression
Wah they aren't treating me fucking great must hate me for my skin tone
Fuck off.

[Rudolf]

This pretty much sums it up...

dw_mRaIHb-M

[Palmares]

I've seen that guy live. Total legend. Him and Nazeem Hussain were performing "Fear of a brown planet" at the Melbourne Comedy Festival a few years back.

[Slavic]

Oh Jesus.

Muh anti-white oppression
Wah they aren't treating me fucking great must hate me for my skin tone
Fuck off.


Oh please, no one is saying that white people are being oppressed, get a grip.

Not all racism is institutionalized and a lot of that racism boils down to ignorance and the fear of the unknown. Non-whites can show racism towards whites that is not institutionalized and it is wrong.

[Rudolf]

Oh please, no one is saying that white people are being oppressed, get a grip.

Not all racism is institutionalized and a lot of that racism boils down to ignorance and the fear of the unknown. Non-whites can show racism towards whites that is not institutionalized and it is wrong.

This 'racism' you speak of is just insulting terms though isn't it? Racism is not bigotry although the latter is implied in the former. Racism is a structure of oppression that has its roots in the particular and historic development of capitalism. It stretches back to the primitive accumulation of capital and its international dimension: colonialism.

[BIXX]

Oh please, no one is saying that white people are being oppressed, get a grip.

Not all racism is institutionalized and a lot of that racism boils down to ignorance and the fear of the unknown. Non-whites can show racism towards whites that is not institutionalized and it is wrong.
We have debunked your stupid bullshit so many times, not just in this thread but all over the forum. That isn't racism- that's bigotry.

[mushroompizza]

Well racism according to Google means... the belief that all members of each race possess characteristics or abilities specific to that race, especially so as to distinguish it as inferior or superior to another race or races. So anybody can be racist so just remember to combat all racism (but lets first tackle anti-black racism since its a bigger problem).

[Rudolf]

Well racism according to Google means... the belief that all members of each race possess characteristics or abilities specific to that race, especially so as to distinguish it as inferior or superior to another race or races. So anybody can be racist so just remember to combat all racism (but lets first tackle anti-black racism since its a bigger problem).


That is void of any social and historic context and is thus useless.

[Slavic]

This 'racism' you speak of is just insulting terms though isn't it? Racism is not bigotry although the latter is implied in the former. Racism is a structure of oppression that has its roots in the particular and historic development of capitalism. It stretches back to the primitive accumulation of capital and its international dimension: colonialism.

Can you provide me with your source for the definitions of racism and bigotry please.

[#FF0000]

Can you provide me with your source for the definitions of racism and bigotry please.

See: any sociology textbook.

That's cuz it's the sociological definition of racism, which is obvs. different from what most laypeople mean when they say "racism". That's because academia is more about getting speaking tours and publishing deals than solving actual problems.

That said I think it's the more useful definition. When people talk about racism against black n brown people, they're talking about structural and systematic violence against an entire population.

There's also this (http://sociology.about.com/od/R_Index/fl/Racism.htm) if you wanna keep being petulant about it.

[Sewer Socialist]

In this usage of racism, it is used to mean institutional oppression of a group of people on the basis of race. We do not mean it in the liberal sense; we do not mean it in the sense that an individual has bad ideas.

The oppressed can and do sometimes respond in kind; they may be anti-white in response to a white supremacist society. But so what? This in no way constitutes actual, material oppression; these are just ideas held by people who are powerless to do anything about it, and only in response to actual oppression.

Racism in the liberal sense, that of a condemnation of people with bad ideas, only exists because of the existence of institutional racism, which is white supremacy.

[1xAntifa]

This 'racism' you speak of is just insulting terms though isn't it? Racism is not bigotry although the latter is implied in the former. Racism is a structure of oppression that has its roots in the particular and historic development of capitalism. It stretches back to the primitive accumulation of capital and its international dimension: colonialism.

Yeah, finally the magic word. Hands up all those here who live in post-colonialist settler societies like Australia, New Zealand, the US, Canada, Israel et-al.

There's no denying that we are the beneficiaries of past atrocities against First Nation peoples. Our societies as a whole have benefited in incalculable ways and thrived on the extermination, dispossession and destruction of existing social and economic structures. Our forebears implemented racist social structures that we still haven't eradicated. Our flags and public holidays celebrate our over-weening dominance at every turn. If you're lucky you might see an Indigenous face in the media, but not too dark though.

Can anyone still entertain the notion of reverse--racism? Seriously? I think some distancing from emotive personal experiences is needed to grasp the issues here.

Like it or not, at looking distance on the street you are a symbolic reminder of Indigenous oppression and a representative of the broader racist society you emanate from. Put yourself in that situation, would you trust a random member of the master race, that has destroyed your people, with open arms, saying hey lets be friends? I don't think you would either.

So maybe its not your fault on a personal level, but rather you are experiencing a quite understandable disdain born of historical injustices that are still being perpetuated as we speak. From killer cops in Ferguson through to the brutal occupation of the Occupied territories and the proposed ethnic cleansing of Indigenous communities in Australia, Anglo supremacist culture exposes its true nature continually every day. So get over your hurt ego and get on with it.

Excuse the tone but the fascist fcks down here are using the same baseless reverse racism argument to reinforce their retro vision of a white australia. Fck me.:(

[mushroompizza]

Ok guys Im white and I was trying to buy weed yesterday from a black guy and when he saw my profile pic was the Black Panther logo he said it was suspicious so he didn't sell to me. :laugh:

[Bala Perdida]

I'm Latino in the US. Despite my whiter skin tone often getting me confused for white, I've never felt any racism on that end. At most, slight feelings of exclusion from other Latinos who think I'm white but that's usually done away with when I speak spanish. Meanwhile those in power who see through my 'disguise' have made my life terrible. I've had dress codes enforced, tickets written, and insults thrown at me because of it. Also I'm still very Latino on paper and I'm guessing that's played a part in me being denied jobs and shit. Amongst this, I'm still not experiencing the same thing as my darker friends. When white people claim they're at a disadvantage, they have no idea. Especially with their backwards notions that we minorities are worshiped because black people "have their own month". Stuff like that makes me appreciate being part of establishments that are minority white. In my majority white high school, racist privileged students would come to school with American paraphernalia on 5 de mayo as a big fuck you to us. In my community college with an average of 2 white people per class, they admit to having had bigoted feelings only after they're 'reformed'. Otherwise they don't come out saying crap like "the dream act is rewarding people who break the law".

[mushroompizza]

Yeah I am Hispanic but I am also half white so I only feel about half of that, usually the classic "you're not Hispanic, speak Spanish prove it!" (I don't speak Spanish). I don't think anyone has refused me anything (because I'm super pale looking), you are right white privilege and racism exists and its disgusting, no where near the small problem of reverse racism.

[John Nada]

Shit, I'm half white, can't speak spanish, and everyone still thinks I'm straight out of Mexico.:lol:

In Latin America there is a lot of colorism(based more on skin color). It's not quiet like in the US, where a lot of people considered Black or Native American in the US would be considered White in some countries. The people who're darker and look more Indigenous or Black are looked down on, and the people who're whiter and look more European are more privileged. For mixed race, the closer you look to either end, the more you're treated as such. Also the language, like if you speak Spanish and not Nahuatl, Mayan, ect. you'd be closer to mixed race. It goes back to colonialism, where the classes were directly associated with different races.

[Sea]

Yeah, I've been victimized a lot as a White man. I hate the fact that the media has allowed to both be considered the epitome of success and physical attractiveness.

Like for example, one time I was sitting on a bus on the way to my gated community and this old Black lady was like "***** gtfo of my seat", suddenly the policeman nearby starting hitting me with his rifle butt and threw me in jail for disturbing the peace.

Another time I remember seeing this youtube video of 2 white guys fighting and all the Black people started posting about how Whites were human scum that needed to be exterminated.

Back to the real world.You sly fucker, I like you. :laugh:

Reverse racism isn't any more possible than reverse evolution or cooking soup in reverse. Nothing in the process of racism is "reversible" in the first place, because there is nothing about racism that defines it must be X group against Y group. It either is racism or it isn't, and the fact that racism against blacks by whites is very common in this country doesn't mean that blacks and whites are the only ones involved in it nor does it mean that racism has a "direction".