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nomoba
7th March 2015, 13:20
The US deep state will fiercely fight such a perspective

http://failedevolution.blogspot.gr/2015/03/piigs-and-brics-unite.html

Die Neue Zeit
7th March 2015, 23:53
Such "multipolar world" alternative would greatly boost worker-class struggles everywhere.

Mr. Piccolo
8th March 2015, 00:55
Such "multipolar world" alternative would greatly boost worker-class struggles everywhere.

Yes, I tend to agree. The decline of American hegemony may open up opportunities for working-class movements.

motion denied
8th March 2015, 03:06
So we're now adopting Dugin-ist notions of "Multipolar World"? Like, the "I'm not a fascist, I just base my views on Carl Schmitt, Heidegger, Evola etc for a rehabilitation of pre-modern non-Western culture" guy?

We might as well just admit it's all over and there's no possibility of a (true) left perspective anymore.

cyu
8th March 2015, 03:48
If the ruling class can use divide and conquer on the poor...

John Nada
8th March 2015, 04:47
Now the question remains, what will MINT do? Can Goldman Sachs come up with more catchy acronyms that arbitrarily lump together totally different countries?

Mr. Piccolo
8th March 2015, 08:33
If the ruling class can use divide and conquer on the poor...

Right. The likely alternatives to a multipolar world are:

1. Hegemony of one capitalist superpower. The United States attempted to fill this role but I think it is clear that American power, relative to other countries, is on the decline. The fact that the United States did not more aggressively act in opposition to Russia in the Ukraine and could not prevent the Russian annexation of Crimea is evidence of America's inability to act as a total global hegemon. I can't see any other possible hegemon on the horizon, not even China.

2. A scenario where the various national capitalist classes force their governments to collaborate, possibly ending with some type of global governance. This option is potentially quite bad for the Left because it closes the potential space for revolutionary action.

The best option for the Left is a multipolar world where workers can exploit conflicts between the national capitalist classes to their advantage.

Even though the Left in Russia and China seem bound to nationalism, which is problematic, it is better than the alternative: liberal capitalist internationalism.

GiantMonkeyMan
8th March 2015, 11:37
There might be some nation states that can conduct imperialist ventures across the globe (USA) and some which exert economic and military pressures on nations that are their immediate neighbours (Russia/China etc) but, ultimately, in capitalism every nation has its own national bourgeoisie that looks to expand their power by influencing other nations' markets and labour forces at the expense of those nations' national bourgeoisie. Imperialism is an essential characteristic of this epoch of capitalism.

Ⓐdh0crat
8th March 2015, 15:31
The best option for the Left is a multipolar world where workers can exploit conflicts between the national capitalist classes to their advantage.
Lmao, because that has a great track record.

Die Neue Zeit
8th March 2015, 18:08
Yes, I tend to agree. The decline of American hegemony may open up opportunities for working-class movements.

You just need to look at past history to see spikes in worker-class struggles coinciding with a multipolar world. Apologists of Western imperialism will shout "WWI!" while ignoring the mass worker movements in Germany and elsewhere across Europe before that war.


So we're now adopting Dugin-ist notions of "Multipolar World"? Like, the "I'm not a fascist, I just base my views on Carl Schmitt, Heidegger, Evola etc for a rehabilitation of pre-modern non-Western culture" guy?

We might as well just admit it's all over and there's no possibility of a (true) left perspective anymore.

Pilantra, I'm not looking to that fascist Dugin or any of those other blokes at all. My critical inspiration comes from within the Marxist tradition itself, a very diluted, "lite" adaptation from the defencist Parvus himself. Simply put, Parvus timed his siding with the far less interventionist Germany woefully, woefully wrong (http://www.revleft.com/vb/articles-defencism-parvuss-t192510/index.html). That was a no-no during a revolutionary period!


Lmao, because that has a great track record.

Hello, worker-class movements all across Europe before WWI! :glare:

The German worker-class movement (pre-WWI SPD) and other worker-class movements had their class-strugglist momentum in a multipolar world era.

Ⓐdh0crat
9th March 2015, 10:18
Hello, worker-class movements all across Europe before WWI! :glare:

The German worker-class movement (pre-WWI SPD) and other worker-class movements had their class-strugglist momentum in a multipolar world era.
And were promptly crushed / assimilated in the face of imperialist power struggles.

Die Neue Zeit
10th March 2015, 03:23
And were promptly crushed / assimilated in the face of imperialist power struggles.

That mass party-movement building is by far the best shot for realizing a revolutionary period for the working class, and is by far least inhibited in a multipolar world order.

Oh, and just in case anyone wishes to bring up again that Dugin canard, here's what I said in 2011, years before his opportunist "multi-polar world" musings in 2014:


Simply put, it is in an economically multi-polar or bi-polar world where worker struggles advance the greatest. (http://www.revleft.com/vb/us-economic-meltdown-t151339/index.html?p=2045789#post2045789)