Showcase of religious anticommunist propaganda

[RedWorker]

Volume I: FBI-backed comic series "This Godless Communism"

http://i.imgur.com/Zn3qjvu.jpg

The reason the idea of building a "heaven on Earth" is so attacked is that one of the fundamental principles of religion is that people are asked to endure the suffering of oppression because they will later reach paradise. Therefore any attempt to build a "heaven on Earth" is a frontal attack against one of the core ideas of religion.

[Rafiq]

Interesting, one of the most sophisticated interpretations of Hegel I have ever encountered. The FBI should have taught courses in university.

"Our choices are not free, they are forced on us by the times we live in" - G.W.F. Hegel, In case philosophy of history is tl;dr

[Bala Perdida]

That part doesn't even sound real. Did they even number their schools in the soviet union or any other country ruled by a red party? I'm pretty sure they still had names.

[motion denied]

Today we had all new teachers at school... They call it soviet school 32 now instead of St Joseph's. Teachers said that there is no god and that communism is all-good and all-powerful!This is GREAT.

[Trap Queen Voxxy]

Volume I: FBI-backed comic series "This Godless Communism"

http://i.imgur.com/Zn3qjvu.jpg

The reason the idea of building a "heaven on Earth" is so attacked is that one of the fundamental principles of religion is that people are asked to endure the suffering of oppression because they will later reach paradise. Therefore any attempt to build a "heaven on Earth" is a frontal attack against one of the core ideas of religion.

That's a pretty basic thing to say lemme out you on some Gucci, like that's an inaccurate generalization. Consider the fact that Jesus flipped over money tables, attacked merchants, preached anti-monetary sentiments and was slowly inciting a revolt against Rome. Consider similar things could be said of Buddha or how that French priest Vianney sat and listened to confessions 24/7 or whatever. There is plenty of progressive ideas contained within all of the major religions, assholes cherry picking, misinterpreting or just plain lying and perverting shit does not negate this. Jesus hungout with the lumpenprole and slaves he didn't preach no religion for rich folk fuck out of here. Literally said it's impossible for a rich man to enter paradise, tf.

Every single religious figure was also trying to initiate progressive secular change see Jesus or Buddha or Moses or whoever. The first time Moses left Egypt he killed an Egyptian overseer for whipping a Hebrew slave and then he comes back and liberates all of the Jews from the yoke of Egyptian oppression like a Israelite Toussaint Louverture and your trying to peddle this to me?

[RedWorker]

The purported principles behind any religion are irrelevant. Religion, as used in any relevant context, was only a tool to control people. Thus, while what the holy texts of each religion may differ, there are the same fundamental principles behind them - no matter how much populism. This is not even about Christianity - it's about religion. Religion as in a generalized condition within class society, not as in a few irrelevant people independently following a certain religion.

[Trap Queen Voxxy]

The purported principles behind any religion are irrelevant. Religion, as used in any relevant context, was only a tool to control people. Thus, while what the holy texts of each religion may differ, there are the same fundamental principles behind them - no matter how much populism. This is not even about Christianity - it's about religion. Religion as in a generalized condition within class society, not as in a few irrelevant people independently following a certain religion.

All of which is an artificial fictional reality created by anti-theists to have something to get attention over. Like really, I didn't even specifically mention holy works but what various Dharmic and Abrahamic faiths teach about the life and actions of prophets and gurus and holy men. Religion is filled with this and it's wholly simplistic, inaccurate and absurd to suggest that religion is a inherently coordinate effort to control people, it isn't. We need to reframe the conversation. Kings, emperors, presidents or nation states or whatever using religion to validate rule and social control doesn't negate anything I've said.

[BIXX]

The purported principles behind any religion are irrelevant. Religion, as used in any relevant context, was only a tool to control people.

So was communism.



















Trolololololololol

[RedWorker]

Kings, emperors, presidents or nation states or whatever using religion to validate rule and social control doesn't negate anything I've said.

But in any serious analysis directed at understanding religion as an expression of class society, religion is nothing but this. How is the 'religion' you speak about relevant? For this discussion, the beliefs any people may have in the fashion you speak of are irrelevant. What is relevant is understanding the social phenomena of religion in class society from a radical perspective. This discussion is not intended to talk about any 'religion' outside of that meaning. If you want to talk about something else - then why post here?


There is plenty of progressive ideas contained within all of the major religions, assholes cherry picking, misinterpreting or just plain lying and perverting shit does not negate this.

And how many reactionary ideas are there? Oh, poor religion, 'assholes' are 'cherry picking', 'misinterpreting' or 'just plain lying and perverting' what it says.

[Vogel]

And how many reactionary ideas are there? Oh, poor religion, 'assholes' are 'cherry picking', 'misinterpreting' or 'just plain lying and perverting' what it says.

I don't think you realize how Marxist Jesus was. His position was just above a slave, the second lowest. In fact, Roman soldiers used his name as a curse word. Buddha was all about da peace and social wellbeing of all. You should know as well as anyone the ruling classes will use religion to secure their positions.

here be some intellectuals from a 20 year PhD scholar on the History of religions.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1z65Z8UjmYY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K35Ii5p74h4

At any rate, it is because of Jesus that I am a communist.

[Asero]

Open our Churches!

lol. Didn't Stalin reopen the Orthodox Church during WWII?

[Bala Perdida]

I wonder what there is to say about la Santa Muerte. I'm not sure if I'm just being vaguely self-centered with her, but I find her to be a contradiction in the general 'religious agenda' since her worship has for the most part been the worship of rebellion. Other than the 'criminal' slave who prays for protection as they do their business. She's not inspiring much rebellion, but I don't know what will.

[Asero]

The reason the idea of building a "heaven on Earth" is so attacked is that one of the fundamental principles of religion is that people are asked to endure the suffering of oppression because they will later reach paradise. Therefore any attempt to build a "heaven on Earth" is a frontal attack against one of the core ideas of religion.


But in any serious analysis directed at understanding religion as an expression of class society, religion is nothing but this. How is the 'religion' you speak about relevant? For this discussion, the beliefs any people may have in the fashion you speak of are irrelevant. What is relevant is understanding the social phenomena of religion in class society from a radical perspective.

Not every religion believes in an afterlife, so ascribing Heaven as a fundamental core idea of the entiriety of religion is fallacious. Yes, it is true that it is a very prevalent ideological idea among the religious in present society, that this is reflected among class issues, and as Radical Leftists, but simply dismissing the beliefs of certain people as being "irrelevent" is rediculous. I have been accused of holding up "politically irrelevent" ideas, and I'm pretty sure many communists here have as well, and I have also seen people saying that "fascism is a dead ideology," yet fascism is on the rise in Europe. I don't think anyone would argue here that religion isn't used as a tool for class domination, but we have to admit that religion, or at least originally religious ideas, has very much influenced Left-wing thought and can be as easily used as a force of liberation as much it could be used as a force of oppression.

On an added note, I know someone who has talked to a religious socialist, and have read his pamphlet. He literally wants to bring a Kingdom of Heaven upon earth via a violent revolution.




If you want to talk about something else - then why post here?
I personally think it's bad habit throw around accusations about people not genuinly being leftists for not discussing certain topics from your perspective.

This discussion is not intended to talk about any 'religion' outside of that meaning.
Then you should have said so in the OP.

[RedWorker]

Jesus, a Marxist? That is a ridiculous claim.

To everyone: It is well known that all tyrants in their propaganda invent or promote populist figures that the common people would identify with in order to dominate them. And whatever the origins of the figure Jesus, this is the only relevant role it played when considering religion as a condition in class society.

[Mass Grave Aesthetics]

The reason the idea of building a "heaven on Earth" is so attacked is that one of the fundamental principles of religion is that people are asked to endure the suffering of oppression because they will later reach paradise. Therefore any attempt to build a "heaven on Earth" is a frontal attack against one of the core ideas of religion.
Do people really see the communist movement as an attempt to establish "heaven on earth"?! Do people really think communism will be anything like a "heaven on earth"? I thought that shit was just a conservative talking- point.

But in any serious analysis directed at understanding religion as an expression of class society, religion is nothing but this. How is the 'religion' you speak about relevant? For this discussion, the beliefs any people may have in the fashion you speak of are irrelevant. What is relevant is understanding the social phenomena of religion in class society from a radical perspective. This discussion is not intended to talk about any 'religion' outside of that meaning. If you want to talk about something else - then why post here?

You really think it's that simple and easy? A dismissive, vulgar and one-sided position such as this is hardly the conclusion of a serious analysis. How believers view their faith and interpret the scriptures must be relevant to understanding the function of religion in class society.


To everyone: It is well known that all tyrants in their propaganda invent or promote populist figures that the common people would identify with in order to dominate them. And whatever the origins of the figure Jesus, this is the only relevant role it played when considering religion as a condition in class society.
Like how Stalin, Mao, Hoxha etc. used the figure of Lenin?

[Trap Queen Voxxy]

Jesus, a Marxist? That is a ridiculous claim.

To everyone: It is well known that all tyrants in their propaganda invent or promote populist figures that the common people would identify with in order to dominate them. And whatever the origins of the figure Jesus, this is the only relevant role it played when considering religion as a condition in class society.

I find it odd how Marx fuckers cling to select phrases that are sorely inaccurate and then as a means to confirm your researcher's bias anything that conflicts with that is 'fiction' whereas all data that positively reaffirms your position is deemed as an example of "the condition of religion in class society." What a ludicrous and meaningless phrase. Really. As for Jesus, he was literally executed for inciting rebellion against the ruling merchant class and Pharisees, as well, Rome, Caeser and governments in general; he was a political martyr, tf have you done? Yes, it's common for tyrants to use martyrs for the cause and co-opt them to reframe historical events and sanitize memories to confirm social control and legitimize the current system of organization that's how they quell and stop revolt and prevent rebellious personal figures or their demise as becoming tallying symbols for change but that has fuck all to do with anything we're talking about when you get down to it. Notice how President Snow becomes increasingly more and more infuriated by revolutionary symbols popping up around Katnias such as the Mockingjay, or holding up three fingers silently in the air or his own grand-daughter wearing a side-pony tail. Why? Because these were symbols used to rally the people against the oppression of the Quelling and President Snow. Notice a well the silent hands up symbol being used I rally people against the ferguson police dept and Obama gives tangent, superficial support for the Brown family to contrast the governments actual actions.

[Peachman2000]

Just goes to show how ignorant people were in the 40s and 50s. I mean, anybody could have picked up the Communist Manifesto and read it. Then they would have realized 90% of those comics were garbage.

As for the religious thing. It was just used to control society and justify whatever was needed. It institutes the fear of going to hell for not conforming to set values. Communism was a threat to America's Bourgeois Parlimentary system, so religion was used as anti communist propaganda.