Black Metal

[Viktor89]

Any BM-fans here? What bands do you listen to? What kind of BM?
Some of my favourites are Shining, Armagedda, Mütiilation, Carpathian Forest, Silencer, Sorhin, Watain, etc.

[BIXX]

I didn't really the title at first and thought this thread was about bowel movements. And I was like yeah BMs are pretty cool, they let us not pop or some shit.

[Creative Destruction]

oh man. i haven't really kept up with what is the latest and greatest in black metal, but i enjoy some of the old popular favorites... Mayhem, Darkthrone and what not. the most recent black metal group that i'm aware of and enjoyed a lot were Xasthur and Wolves in the Throne Room.

[#FF0000]

I like some black metal: Taake, Emperor, Burzum (kind of overrated imo). Most of the black metal I listen to these days is American tho. Wolves in the Throne Room, Agalloch, Liturgy etc.

Pretty sure Taake is my favorite though.

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[Lily Briscoe]

No.

[Yuli Ban]

I'm more into doom metal.

[Creative Destruction]

"no" to what?

[Palmares]

Love black metal. Bit of old school stuff, like Ulver, Darkthrone, Immortal, etc, but also newer stuff, like Cascadian (or inspired) BM, Fauna, Alda, Altar of Plagues, Saor, etc.

You should check out this blog:

r-a-b-m.blogspot.com/ (http://www.revleft.com/vb/r-a-b-m.blogspot.com/)

[Sasha]

I'm more into trash, sludge and metalcore, only BM related music I listen to occasionly is Behemoth and more melodic deathmetal like Arch Enemy and DevilDriver.

[Palmares]

I'm more into trash

http://www.toughpigs.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/140-300x300.jpg

[Viktor89]

I read that Wolves in the Throne Room is pretty left wing? I think Kommando Peste Noire (fascist) wrote some angry rant against that, lol.

Ulver is great.

While Vikernes is a nazi, Burzum's music is not, but I wouldn't buy any cd's of him anymore. NSBM-geeks needs to know that their shit is not part of the BM scene. They go against what BM stood for.

[Mr. Piccolo]

I'm more into doom metal.

Same here. I have listened to black metal, but I am not a big fan. I like doom metal and stoner metal. Some drone is good too.

[Thirsty Crow]

Any BM-fans here? What bands do you listen to? What kind of BM?
Some of my favourites are Shining, Armagedda, Mütiilation, Carpathian Forest, Silencer, Sorhin, Watain, etc.
Oh wouldn't touch Silencer with a pole stick :ohmy: :p

I like it mostly raw but still developed. Mgla would be the archetype of a newer band fitting the bill; no religious satan crap, no primitivist neo-pagan quasi-fascism either. Just pure negativity and misanthropy, and I always found that to be the most potent overall form suitable for black metal.

Though, gotta hand it to Mayhem. Still going strong, like pretty much always. I also dug the hell out of the dramatic character of Emperor (much more interestingly developed in Ihsahn's solo career IMO), the sheer raw buzz of early Enslaved, and Immortal particularly (time to blast Sons of Norther Darkness, thanks for reminding me of that record :lol:). Apart from those heavyweights, I adore Nocte Obducta, the most bizzaro of those still classic BM oriented bands. I recommend their entire opus, though if you're more into the raw side of things - check out Schwarzmetal (the subtitle is so apt - "a primitive interplay").

There's also some newer bands, apar from Mgla, to consider. I found Poles to have produced a curious and excellent new black metal, with the likes of Odraza, Genius Ultor and Furia (all released very good records in 2014). Even though I don't favor some particularly occult based black metal, Thy Darkened Shade is just too damn good to be passed over. Also from last year, and a smashing, really great record in Liber Lvcifer I: Khem Sedjet.

I also enjoy banjo black metal. Yup, there's such a thing, and of course it's American. Kinda Appalachian folk black metal. Panopticon is the band; and the Pacific boasts Wolves in the Throne Room. New York doesn't have a horse to run in this race, but an embarassment in the form of Liturgy :lol:

Anyway. I'd say black metal is my least preferred subgenre in metal but still there's great stuff to be found.




While Vikernes is a nazi, Burzum's music is not, but I wouldn't buy any cd's of him anymore. NSBM-geeks needs to know that their shit is not part of the BM scene. They go against what BM stood for.
Oh yeah and this. Burzum is shit. Musically speaking. And even worse, this festering crap produced legions of one-riff ambient "black metal" inanities so it deserves a special place in the hall of hate. My hall of hate that is.

But surely, all sorts of prejudice and fucked up attitude were inherent to the original, Norwegian second wave scene; and more than that but it's not necessary to delve into that. The point is that NSBM can'0t be said not to be a part of the scene.

Oh yeah, and this:


I read that Wolves in the Throne Room is pretty left wing? I think Kommando Peste Noire (fascist) wrote some angry rant against that, lol.
If deep ecology bordering kind-of anarchism is left wing - then yeah. They took the primitivism as one of the hallmarks of characteristics "ideologically" linked to black metal and purged it of its volkish, nationalist and fascist variants - to their credit. Kinda.

[Palmares]

I read that Wolves in the Throne Room is pretty left wing?

I believe they are, though they wouldn't necessarily use such words. Primarily they are strongly environmentalist.

For example:


D: Do you worry about other metal bands’ ideologies when you book tours?
AW: That’s an issue in Europe sometimes. If you play cities like Vienna or Salzburg, the metal scene is really hardcore right-wing. A lot of the bands aren’t neo-Nazi bands, but they’re an Odinist band into pagan nationalism, and you draw conclusions about where their politics are at. We’re an avowedly non-political band, but we’re also very clearly not a right-wing band. It’s funny, because we were protested in Germany as a neo-Nazi band two years ago. We almost had our whole tour canceled.


http://www.avclub.com/article/wolves-in-the-throne-room-29913

[Brandon's Impotent Rage]

Love Immortal, Summoning, Bal-Sagoth, Bathory.

Bal-Sagoth in particular is quite possibly one of the most unusual bands I've ever encountered.

[Crabbensmasher]

Oooh I've always wanted to get into black metal.

One of the songs I've really liked was 'Havenless' by Enslaved. I can't find anything else like it. Really catchy guitar riffs combined with this kind of 'foreboding' (is that the word?) percussion and just terrifying vocals that come in at the exact right time.

I guess I like black metal, but it has to have some substance to it. It can't just be like screaming the entire time

OH Also I really really like Kvelertak!! They kind of encapsulate what i like about black metal, but they aren't strictly black metal so eh iunno.

I remember blasting down some country road at 3am on drugs listening to Burzum once (my friend was driving). Holy shit that was scary

[Brandon's Impotent Rage]

Oh, I forgot to mention the Taiwanese band Cthonic.

Love their music, as well as their music videos....especially the one for "Supreme Pain for the Tyrant", where they beat the crap out of Nazis and Kuomintang goons.

[Luc]

atm I only listen to the big ones like Burzum, Darkthrone and precursors like Mayhem, Bathory. :o is Thorns BM? probably not but:unsure: i'll add 'cos they were around in the Norwegian scene and it hasn't been mentioned yet JOEfUzXshlU

[Creative Destruction]

Burzum is horrible. I do not know how Vikernes has such a following outside the neo-nazi shitheads who fawn over him.

[Mass Grave Aesthetics]

Burzum is horrible. I do not know how Vikernes has such a following outside the neo-nazi shitheads who fawn over him.
I agree it's massively overrated, but he had his moments. There is this atmosphere of genuine insanity in some of the early stuff few have been able to recreate but many tried. Burzum seems to have a following among some indie fans also and I'm sure his work is very influential on that whole blackgaze genre and the Cascadian scene.

There is always that problematic question of how broadly you define the genre. Primordial and Celtic frost are my two favourite bands of all time (along with Joy Division) but I would consider neither of them being actually bm, though both have strong elements of it (the latter being very influential on forming and shaping the genre). Would you guys f.e. consider the blackgaze stuff as bm?

I'm mostly into bands on the doomy, gloomy or oldschool/thrashy side of things. Some examples of bands I really dig are: Sigh, The Ruins of Beverast, Bathory, Negative Plane, Rotting Christ (the early stuff mainly), Master's Hammer (same as RC), Necromantia, Mgla, Darkthrone, Lunar Aurora, Deströyer 666, Sabbat (jpn), Forgotten Woods, Deathspell Omega, Bethlehem (early stuff only), Absu and Inquisition to name a few.

And as a final point; I adore the visual aspects of Graveland and the overall showmanship of Rob Darken.:grin:

[Creative Destruction]

I've never heard the term "blackgaze," tbh. Are those black metal bands who listened to a lot of My Bloody Valentine?

RE: Burzum. I don't think Vikernes has had as big an influence outside the "True Fucking Norwegian Black Metal" scene. I knew some clowns in Texas who tried to emulate them (not Absu... they were from suburban Austin, lol) but other BM scenes seem to have just treated him as a laughingstock, while mindlessly putting his early albums (and sometime those horrid Casio ambient albums) in with "classics." I do not think he's had much influence on the Cascadian bands, though. Wolves in the Throne Room don't really care much for him, afaict, and any influence they might have isn't really reflected in their music. The only other well-known band from the PacNW that I know if is Velvet Cocoon, but they seem to just be happy plagiarizing whomever they find appropriate at the time.

[Mass Grave Aesthetics]

I've never heard the term "blackgaze," tbh. Are those black metal bands who listened to a lot of My Bloody Valentine?
Yeah pretty much that and/or indie bands with a little bit of black metal aesthetics. Deafheaven and Alcest would be good examples.


RE: Burzum. I don't think Vikernes has had as big an influence outside the "True Fucking Norwegian Black Metal" scene. I knew some clowns in Texas who tried to emulate them (not Absu... they were from suburban Austin, lol) but other BM scenes seem to have just treated him as a laughingstock, while mindlessly putting his early albums (and sometime those horrid Casio ambient albums) in with "classics." I do not think he's had much influence on the Cascadian bands, though. Wolves in the Throne Room don't really care much for him, afaict, and any influence they might have isn't really reflected in their music. The only other well-known band from the PacNW that I know if is Velvet Cocoon, but they seem to just be happy plagiarizing whomever they find appropriate at the timehttp://cdncache-a.akamaihd.net/items/it/img/arrow-10x10.png (http://www.revleft.com/vb/#).
Velvet Cocoon is indeed an excellent example of what I was talking about. Judas Iscariot is on the other hand a very different (more traditional) band with strong Burzum influence. I might be overestimating it's influence on the Cascadian scene, which might after all be little or nothing, but its there in a lot of the bm-esque indie bands. Liturgy would be a shining example.

[Palmares]

I've never heard the term "blackgaze," tbh.

It's just a reference to bands that have elements of both black metal and shoegaze. As mentioned, Alcest is a good example. I saw them live a few years ago.


I do not think he's had much influence on the Cascadian bands, though.

Interestingly enough, a Cascadian-style BM band, Ayr, did a cover of a Burzum song which resulted in their German record label dumping them. Though I like the band, I'm happy the record label were willing to take a stand.

[Palmares]

I also enjoy banjo black metal. Yup, there's such a thing, and of course it's American. Kinda Appalachian folk black metal. Panopticon is the band

They're actually one of the neo-pagan bands you say you despise! :lol:

But seriously, they are pretty cool. I wouldn't say the best atmospheric/ambient/folk BM acts around, but they definitely have a unique flavour that demands attention. The drummer ended up being the session drummer for Saor. Austin evidently thought Saor was the shit, so basically begged to be the session drummer on their second album. But hell, he can drum. And makes Saor's second album have a bit more edge drumming-wise. However, I still think Saor's first album is better.

Generally, I guess I'm mostly a USBM fan, due to being into Cascadian/atmospheric/ambient/folk BM. The equivalent of that music in Europe has a tendency to have questionable politics, such as in Eastern Europe (especially Russia!).


One European band I didn't mention I really love is Blut aus Nord. In an interview I read a long time ago, they say they identify somewhat more ideologically with WITTR than most other BM acts. They even have that song where they attack face-paint wearing superficial BM.

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[Viktor89]

Burzum is horrible. I do not know how Vikernes has such a following outside the neo-nazi shitheads who fawn over him.

Because musically it's genious, Burzum's Filosofem and S/T, no other band will be able to ever create such at atmosphere on a CD as those old ones, such as Mayhem's old stuff and Darkthrone's first cd's. And of course Burzum. And Bathory.

You don't have to say Burzum sucks musically just cuz the man is a total idiot, we all know he is, but it will always remain the origins of pure BM. The music is just genious.

[Viktor89]

I never understood the nazis of Spear of Longinus, extremely weird band, look them up at metal archives if you haven't. Nazi Yoga? Swastika flowers? Rainbows and something about an "itching side" as song titles, strange band, even among the nsbm bands do they stand out as a bit odd.

[Viktor89]

Worth mentioning is also the subgenres of both chaos-gnostic BM and the abrahamitic satanist BM (orthodox satanism), such as Dissection, Arckanum, Watain, and the bands Deathspell Omega and Glorior Belli and Ofermod, etc.

Jon of Dissection was one of the, or the, organizer of Werewolf Legion, which probably was formed when he was in prison for murder, which now is no more a satanist gang, but a criminal street/prison gang that got new members not part of the satanist stuff, instead just ordinary criminals. I wonder if TOTBL still exists or what happened, I know the gnosticist satanists exists here and there in the underground, and some rare shops still sell their ritual manuals and stuff like that. But the cult and big talk about this is kinda gone, it was big some years ago in the BM scene here.

[Thirsty Crow]

They're actually one of the neo-pagan bands you say you despise! :lol:Nah, it's not that I despise neo-pagan bands, not at all. When it comes to the overall aesthetics and ideology (take this term with a grain of salt here) of black metal, classic satanism, occultism, paganism, these I just find deficient, each in its own way (of course, I won't even mention NSBM). That's why I referenced Mgla, apart from them being a smashing band, since their nihilistic and misanthropic bent really encapsulates what's most potent in black metal (and it ain't spiritual and all look-at-how-aesthetic-I-am thing in blackgaze/post-bm either). It's also cleverly written, the lyrics that is.

And it's a stretch to call Panopticon a neo-pagan band; to do that, you'd have to disregard or explain away the very good Social Disservices album. At least that, and I'm far from convinced that Kentukcy for instance is a wholly pagan affair as well.

Now about that perennial genre thing:


Worth mentioning is also the subgenres of both chaos-gnostic BM and the abrahamitic satanist BM (orthodox satanism), such as Dissection, Arckanum, Watain, and the bands Deathspell Omega and Glorior Belli and Ofermod, etcBlack metal is pretty much a style of music and a group of something like movements that all too easily invents new genre terms. In short - there is no chaos gnostic black metal (as much as Arckanum is really cool) and orthodox black metal, a term belonging to the mid 2000s, doesn't really do much and is useless if it includes the likes of Deathspell Omega (since these guys tore apart the traditional riff fabric of second wave black metal, with good helpings of Gorguts' breakthrough mindfuckery that is Obscura).

And the latter were the darlings of that orthodox black metal - whereas orthodoxy refers to theistic satanism. I'm dead against inventing genre labels which are wholly based on aspects of aesthetics and/or ideology.

And yeah, I don't get what's so strange in people dissing Vikernes - the man made horrible, horrible music. Even though there wasn't a time when I wasn't in some way biased due to that nazi crap, I genuinely dislike his opus. If I had to sit through Filosofem again...yeah, who know's what would I do to myself. I can imagine, though, washing the dishes while our ambient philosopher is buzzing in the background.

The thing with Mayhem is that there's no atmosphere there that's comparable to Burzum. Those two bands at the very start proceeded from different positions so to speak. I've no idea how IG8igwwi6cQ

can be likened to Burzum. Sure, both represent parts of the same scene and roughly the same style, but are different.

[Viktor89]

What happened to all the crazy guys also? We have the paedophiles from Woods of Infinity, we have those russian guys in M8L8TH whose singer killed some guys and robbed banks, or so they say, what happened to him now? And the Peste Noire poser, whatever his name was, the guy who acts as if he is the coolest hooligan satanist fascist pimp whatever ever to walk the earth, who always says what is BM and what is not BM lol! Hooligan satanist nazi? I doubt he has ever been in a fist-fight. But who knows haha.

About Vikernes and the Mayhem guys, whatever one may think about them, at least they weren't all talk and no action, fucking hell they were pretty crazy there, they deserve their place in extreme metal history that's for sure. War against stave churches. :laugh: Ozzy may have bit a bat's head off some time but fucking hell, those norwegian guys, that's brutal and obscure taken to another level.

[Palmares]

And it's a stretch to call Panopticon a neo-pagan band; to do that, you'd have to disregard or explain away the very good Social Disservices album. At least that, and I'm far from convinced that Kentukcy for instance is a wholly pagan affair as well.

Glad you don't despise neo-pagan bands! :grin:

By no means am I saying, that Panopticon is "neo-pagan" 24/7. They have varied subject matter, as you have mentioned. Infact, they were criticised for the Kentucky album in this regard. But I don't think this detracts from them having neo-pagan elements in their music.

On top of all that, I also have this below t-shirt:

http://www.paganflames.com/shirts/panopticon%20shirt%20front.jpg

http://www.paganflames.com/shirts.htm

It reads, "Anarcho Pagan Black Metal". :blackA:

[Creative Destruction]

Because musically it's genious, Burzum's Filosofem and S/T, no other band will be able to ever create such at atmosphere on a CD as those old ones, such as Mayhem's old stuff and Darkthrone's first cd's. And of course Burzum. And Bathory.

You don't have to say Burzum sucks musically just cuz the man is a total idiot, we all know he is, but it will always remain the origins of pure BM. The music is just genious.

I'm not saying the music is bad because of his political stance. That's incidental. The music is bad because the music is bad. I create about as much atmosphere sitting on the toilet and listening to my farts as Vikernes did with Filosofem.

[Creative Destruction]

War against stave churches. :laugh: Ozzy may have bit a bat's head off some time but fucking hell, those norwegian guys, that's brutal and obscure taken to another level.

It was also incredibly dumb, immature and not at all worthy of praise, except from some shitheads who thought it constituted some grand message against Christian society.

The Stave churches are gorgeous works of meticulous art. As a sometimes woodworker, it fucking sucks hearing when something like that went up in flames because of some knuckleheads and their egos.

[Ethics Gradient, Traitor For All Ages]

Eh, part of what makes art beautiful is it's fragility. That architecture will be even more beautiful in the mind than it ever was in life. I'm interested in getting into black metal, but you're all throwing out a lot of specialist knowledge. Are the sub-sub-sub-genres important to the music or is it just part of the discourse?

[Per Levy]

Eh, part of what makes art beautiful is it's fragility. That architecture will be even more beautiful in the mind than it ever was in life. I'm interested in getting into black metal, but you're all throwing out a lot of specialist knowledge. Are the sub-sub-sub-genres important to the music or is it just part of the discourse?

the sub-sub-sub-genres are pretty unimportent, and i say that as now 15 to 16 year long black metal fan, there are some main strain sub-gengres of black metal like depressive black metal... and that is pretty much it. anyway, it really depends on what you want in black metal and i could probally give you some stuff. if you are interested in its roots(wich was also a good band in its prime) id say early bathory, early darkthrone and early mayhem(i see a patern here) are pretty damn important, burzum is fine and quite enjoyable.

if you like keyboards then again early dimmu borgir and cradle of filth arnt bad, early old man's child is better than dimmu at any time though.

anyway, i just want to say this, as much as i like the rabm blog, most of the stuff from there is really damn shit and i think panopticon is pretty boring. there i said it.

[Creative Destruction]

Eh, part of what makes art beautiful is it's fragility.

Sometimes true. Certainly its fragility is more beautiful when you can look at it, rather than it being reduced to an ash heap.


That architecture will be even more beautiful in the mind than it ever was in life.

Again, sometimes true, maybe, and it depends on the person. Part of the beauty of Stave churches is being enveloped in the surroundings. Experiencing it then and there is much different, perhaps more beautiful, than experiencing it in my mind. My memory is shit and while I can access that feeling, somewhat, it's not something I can really get fully unless I'm there... as with most things in my life. There's an extra appreciation for it, for me, being that I like woodworking and do it sometimes. It's like an author reading another really good author's work and being in awe of it.

[Thirsty Crow]

Eh, part of what makes art beautiful is it's fragility. That architecture will be even more beautiful in the mind than it ever was in life. I'm interested in getting into black metal, but you're all throwing out a lot of specialist knowledge. Are the sub-sub-sub-genres important to the music or is it just part of the discourse?
The answer about subgenre really depends on who's asking; in your case, I wouldn't say subgenres are important at all (the case of a person interested in getting into it all).

But frather than that, subgenre terms are useful abbreviations of significant stylistic and/or ideological-aesthetic differences.

Anyway. If you're interested in getting into it, you can either start from the start (Pagan Fears video I linked to for instance) or get an eclectic and personal introduction.

You want an introduction in the first place? In the form of us here posting stuff.

[Thirsty Crow]

Oh yeah and I might as well add that Attila Csihar represents the definitive statement in black metal vocals. I'm actually having a hard time recalling the vocalist that alone made such an impression (and fine tuned throats found in classic and power metal are included). Contemporary records includes since Attila is God by all appearances.

[Creative Destruction]

lol. I didn't know this but Euronymous considered himself to be a communist:


Euronymous called himself a Communist and, for a time, he was a member of the Norwegian Communist youth group Rød Ungdom.[65][66] According to fellow black metal musician Frost, here he may have honed the leadership skills he would use in the early Norwegian black metal scene, where he allegedly led a "Black Metal Inner Circle". He left Rød Ungdom, allegedly because he came to realize that they were "just a bunch of humanists".[66] Euronymous claimed to favor the totalitarian style of communism practiced by Joseph Stalin and Pol Pot.[67] According to Lords of Chaos, Nicolae Ceaușescu was one of his idols and he collected Eastern Bloc memorabilia.[66] Although he did not use the music of Mayhem to promote his political leanings, he saw them as mutually compatible with black metal.[67]

man, he was a gigantic shithead.

[Thirsty Crow]

lol. I didn't know this but Euronymous considered himself to be a communist:



man, he was a gigantic shithead.This, like, begs for an Althusser-to-Euronymous meme.

[Sasha]

ughh, listen to some of the black metal posted in this thread and clicked on some related songs on youtube, love most of the guitar and drum work but how anyone can like those kind of vocals is beyond me, sounds like someone is torturing horny cats, had to bleach my brain with some serious sludge and death metal.

[Thirsty Crow]

Curious to see, anyone heard this Freezing Moon cover by Vader (and what you think of it)

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Sasha might like it :lol:
One of the more imaginative covers vocal wise; a damn good choice this freaky spooky spoken word.

[Creative Destruction]

That was pretty good. I always enjoy Vader covers. Am still happy that I was able to see them before Doc died.

[Thirsty Crow]

That was pretty good. I always enjoy Vader covers. Am still happy that I was able to see them before Doc died.
Oh...that's actually pretty damn great. I always thought Doc and that godforsaken blastbeat barrage fire was the backbone of the band. The way the guy utilized the kick drum, it was just glorious and also unique. I remember seeing them live just after Doc's passing when Daray was getting warmed up.

[FarewellToKings]

I'm mostly into stoner metal. Which is a bit weird considering I've never smoked pot...

[Luc]

lol. I didn't know this but Euronymous considered himself to be a communist:



man, he was a gigantic shithead.

According to Necrobutcher (iirc), Euro would send records to Albania and other eastern bloc countries. :lol: Neddo from Cadaver said it best, something along the lines of "maybe he [Euronymous] thought nazism was too comerical."

For those interested, its all in this pretty good documentary on Mayhem. It contains its original members like Manheim, Necrobutcher, and Messiah so it isnt as sensationalist when it comes to the account of Mayhem. They discuss the political views of Mayhem in Section 2 "Satan and Politics" 6:55 to 12:04 uX7QTv_Zvpo

[Thirsty Crow]

According to Necrobutcher (iirc), Euro would send records to Albania and other eastern bloc countries. :lol:
That's it, the relationship between Hoxhaism and black metal has been cemented forever in my mind.

It's high time Dimmu Bordiga gets some competition (the most kvlt of kvlt, this will be a task but Hoxhaists are up to it I know):

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[Creative Destruction]

That's it, the relationship between Hoxhaism and black metal has been cemented forever in my mind.

It's high time Dimmu Bordiga gets some competition (the most kvlt of kvlt, this will be a task but Hoxhaists are up to it I know):

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drum machines aren't kvlt. tr00 kvlt only uses goat skulls for drums and inverted crosses for cymbals.

[Creative Destruction]

Oh...that's actually pretty damn great. I always thought Doc and that godforsaken blastbeat barrage fire was the backbone of the band. The way the guy utilized the kick drum, it was just glorious and also unique. I remember seeing them live just after Doc's passing when Daray was getting warmed up.

i can't remember if i saw them with Nile or if i saw them with Cannibal Corpse. i think it was CC... a valentine's day concert, incidentally, in Austin.

fake eta. yeah, i just looked it up. in 2004, the day before Halloween, actually. it was a huge package tour, with Cannibal Corpse, Napalm Death, Vader and Goatwhore. i think that was the craziest show i've ever been to. i fondly remember Napalm Death, specifically, because there were some nazi shitheads there fucking with people (a lot of people... much of the crowd was Hispanic.) i don't know if ND had a sense of this, but they played a pretty forceful cover of Nazi Punks Fuck Off, and in that short amount of time, the nazis in the club got trashed. this was in a club that infamously had a steel beam right in the middle of where people would usually mosh in front of the stage. some of the nazis got pulled into the pit and had themselves slammed against the beam and they had to be dragged out of the pit.

and, yeah, that was just a year before Doc had died. crazy. i can't believe that was over a decade ago.

[Per Levy]

ughh, listen to some of the black metal posted in this thread and clicked on some related songs on youtube, love most of the guitar and drum work but how anyone can like those kind of vocals is beyond me, sounds like someone is torturing horny cats, had to bleach my brain with some serious sludge and death metal.

maybe you should try blackend thrash metal, like desaster and sabbat(japan), but yeah, black metal vocals are awsome.

Sabbat - Witch Hammers

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Desaster - Metalized Blood

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as for euronymous, he was a die hard stalinist yeah, he was in the youth group of the norwegian communist party and had the collected works of stalin, mayhem toured through the gdr shorty before it officially became part of the united germany. the live in leipzig live album is from that tour and it has dead still on the vocals. i even read that euro wanted to open up a music label in the gdr. and he gave away a lot of records for free and all that.

[Mass Grave Aesthetics]

ughh, listen to some of the black metal posted in this thread and clicked on some related songs on youtube, love most of the guitar and drum work but how anyone can like those kind of vocals is beyond me, sounds like someone is torturing horny cats, had to bleach my brain with some serious sludge and death metal.

There is black metal with different vocal styles. Give Urfaust, Negative Plane and Ruins of Beverast a try for a start.


drum machines aren't kvlt. tr00 kvlt only uses goat skulls for drums and inverted crosses for cymbals.
I beg to differ.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lpJGPh-DCq4&spfreload=10
Sarcofago were incapable of doing anything unkvlt.

[Thirsty Crow]

i can't remember if i saw them with Nile or if i saw them with Cannibal Corpse. i think it was CC... a valentine's day concert, incidentally, in Austin.

fake eta. yeah, i just looked it up. in 2004, the day before Halloween, actually. it was a huge package tour, with Cannibal Corpse, Napalm Death, Vader and Goatwhore. i think that was the craziest show i've ever been to. i fondly remember Napalm Death, specifically, because there were some nazi shitheads there fucking with people (a lot of people... much of the crowd was Hispanic.) i don't know if ND had a sense of this, but they played a pretty forceful cover of Nazi Punks Fuck Off, and in that short amount of time, the nazis in the club got trashed. this was in a club that infamously had a steel beam right in the middle of where people would usually mosh in front of the stage. some of the nazis got pulled into the pit and had themselves slammed against the beam and they had to be dragged out of the pit.

and, yeah, that was just a year before Doc had died. crazy. i can't believe that was over a decade ago.Oh holy shit. This was the deal right there, an amazing lineup with none other than Doc blasting the kit among all those.

I've seen Napalm Death live twice and as far as I know - Nazi Punks Fuck Off is a regular, indispensable song on every single of their shows; obviously, a cool bonus is to see boneheads scattered across the venue :lol:



Sarcofago were incapable of doing anything unkvlt.
Sarcofago dims in the presence of greats such as Dimmu Bordiga. Just read about the number of copies pressed. True Lyon style kvlt.

[The Intransigent Faction]

I'm mostly into stoner metal. Which is a bit weird considering I've never smoked pot...

Me too.

I'm with Sasha. I love the guitar work, but the vocals ruin it for me.

[Mass Grave Aesthetics]

Originally Posted by LinksRadikal http://www.revleft.com/vb/revleft/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://www.revleft.com/vb/showthread.php?p=2821695#post2821695)
Sarcofago dims in the presence of greats such as Dimmu Bordiga. Just read about the number of copies pressed. True Lyon style kvlt.

This pretty much means Dimmu Bordiga being the trvest kvlt band ever. Being more kvlt than Sarcofago is equivalent of being more partyist than Bordiga and more councilist than Otto Rühle, as well being more doctrinairly pure than both of them.

[Viktor89]

if you like keyboards then again early dimmu borgir and cradle of filth arnt bad, early old man's child is better than dimmu at any time though.


Please, no Cradle of Shit in a Black Metal thread. :laugh:

[Viktor89]

The nazis from Absurd, what are they up to? I can see Hendrik has changed a lot in how he looks.
Also, the famous rumour about his brother, Wolf Möbus who sang on the later cd's, did he beat up that dork from Nargaroth some years ago or what? Kanwulf (LOL let us not speak of him again after this, hahaha) had threatened Wolf's son or something. Not very clever since Absurd is infamous for being a bunch of brutal criminals. Both bands sucks. Just a very funny incident.

I love the interviews with Mayhem (the one where he says "melodies you can hymn along to, what the fuck is black about that?" And of course the one with the drunk going "who are them? Fuck them. Fuck you. Fuck those guys!")

[Cliff Paul]

I've always had a thing for Mayhem, as they are the band that got me into black metal. I believe I've told this story on here before, albeit on my old account - but one day when I was 12 years old, I was flipping through the channels on tv and came across a shitty documentary called "death metal murders" which was a sensationalist documentary about the dangers of extreme metal. One of the bands they profiled was Mayhem and as a 12 year old I thought freezing moon was the greatest thing I had ever heard. Funny thing is though, I had actually started listening to extreme metal a year earlier, because I remember buying Ghost Reveries when it came out - which was when I was 11 years old.

Earlier this year I saw Mayhem live, which was an amazing show - and best of all they barely played anything off of their latest album.

As for some of my favorite Black Metal bands: Mayhem, Xasthur, Shining, Agalloch, Altar of Plagues, Les Discrets, Lurker of Chalice, Apati, Forgotten Tomb, Abigail Williams, Finnr's Cane, Lantlos, Lifelover, Woe, Ulver, Summoning, ....

I probably mostly listen to DSBM when it comes to black metal. Oh and I literally have no idea why Deafheaven and Alcest are popular... their music just does absolutely nothing for me. Also, Burzum is pretty much objectively terrible.

[1xAntifa]

old school. Venom [the black metal gods], Bathory [Return is +++++]. Cookie monstering doesn't do it for me. otherwise anarcho, crust etc, I like it atonal, harsh and angry as all fuck. Must be my environment lol.

[#FF0000]

I don't understand the appeal of Deafheaven at all. And I'm glad I found someone else who thinks Burzum is overrated.

Have you guys heard of Panopticon? Have I posted in this thread already about Panopticon? It's RABM from the US. It's good because I didn't know about the politics until after I first heard them.

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[S7E3L-PUL53]

1349, Asmodeus (AUT), Besatt, Chaos Moon (US), Corpus Christii, Craft, Dissection, Emperor, The Legion (Swe), Tsjuder

When I first got into the scenel I would say I was introduced to Death and Black Metal equally. Death, Burzum, Morbid Angel, Mayhem, Suffocation, Darkthrone, Cryptopsy, Emperor and so on. Took a preference to Death Metal for a variety of reasons, but still enjoy a fair share of Black Metal. But I'm not down for what seems to be a covert racism that exists within the scene.

Elitism is pervasive throughout Metal as a whole but it feels especially prominent whenever I've been to Black Metal shows. Black Castle in LA anyone? People shouldn't take themselves so seriously and try and learn from those around them, supposing they could ever look beyond an ego.

[Brandon's Impotent Rage]

This is Bal-Sagoth, the band I originally referred to...

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Later on they would add more power metal elements to their sound....

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[Sinister Intents]

Anyone remember Mrakobesie? They were supposedly communist black metal, but it turns out that they were more of white pride shit heads. I remember reading something about it on RABM a while back about how B.K. was purging undesirable bands and albums

[1xAntifa]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fHmzFVDjVnM

Venom Black Metal:grin:

[Red Misanthropist]

Most definitely, I'm a huge Black Metal fan! I love all styles of Black Metal. DSBM bands like Happy Days, Xasthur, Silencer, Tempers Creature, Ghost Bath, Hanging Garden. Straight up Black Metal bands like Mayhem, Immortal, Leviathan, Crebain, Tsjuder, Taake, Satanic Warmaster, Goatmoon (don't support the ideology). But my favorite would have to be the Atmospheric/Ambient side of Black Metal, bands such as Burzum, Panopticon, Striborg, Paysage d'Hiver, Deep Mountains, Saor, the list just goes on and on.

[The Penguin]

I mostly listen to prog metal, prog rock or powerprog but I love some black metal, like Ne Obliviscaris and Woods of Desolation, although NeO is a mix of many genres.

[Viridian]

I mostly listen to prog metal, prog rock or powerprog but I love some black metal, like Ne Obliviscaris and Woods of Desolation, although NeO is a mix of many genres.

What other Prog are you into? As this is a black metal thread, I'm into Enslaved which are of the more progressive edge these days. Incidentally I caught half of their set at Bloodstock this year, and then I went to see the second half of Ne Obliviscaris's set (unfortunately they were both on at the same time so I had to see only half of each). But Ne Obliviscaris were excellent, their violinist was very charismatic, even went for a crowd surf during their last song haha.

[Qayin]

Watain and Arckanum is where its at

[Comrade Jacob]

Black metal = shit - Karl Marx (p.24 - The critique of Black metal)