Which party is better and more likely to succeed? Why?

[The Epitome of Justice]

Which Communist Party in Australia do you think I should pick should I decide to join in the future and is more likely to be successful in what it does and why do you think?

The proclaimed Marxist-Leninist "Communist Party of Australia" or the Maoist/Third-Worldist "Communist Party of Australia (Marxist-Leninist)"?

The Communist Party of Australia, the proclaimed Marxist-Leninist one is more public and publishes a very reliable news series on their website. Their policies are also included on their website by searching up "Communist Party of Australia".

They have even opened a Young Communist League of Australia branch, they sympathize with China, Cuba and Vietnam. The Y.C.L of CPA's website is in the Wikipedia article link and can be found by searching "Young Communist League of Australia".

While on the other hand the Communist Party of Australia (Marxist-Leninist) is a proclaimed Maoist and Third-Worldist party who are highly secretive. Sometimes using foreign email services. Party members of the Communist Party of Australia (Marxist-Leninist) are encouraged not to reveal their association so their influence and size are unknown at the moment. Website can be found by searching up "Communist Party of Australia (Marxist-Leninist)".

The Maoist CPA(M.L) keeps many of the traditions of the old CPA such as not revealing your association and keeping secret about it, the old CPA had it incase of a fascist crackdown should any nazi movements gain power.

Which one do you think I should join and why? Both are survivors of the old CPA which unfortunately dissolved in 1991 which can be talked about in this discussion if you wish to learn about, discuss and theorize its history. Including about what lead to its failure see the thread on the history forum here "Why did the old Communist Party of Australia fail?" by me. The spy agency of Australia also kept a close eye on the old Communist Party of Australia and the family that owned it for 3-4 generations the Aarons.

[Q]

Which one do you think I should join and why?
None of these. Given your descriptions of them, they all seem to be fossilised remains of very vertically organised sects with dead end politics and no actual influence in the class movement. Time would be better spent.

[bricolage]

Party members of the Communist Party of Australia (Marxist-Leninist) are encouraged not to reveal their association so their influence and size are unknown at the moment.
Oh I bet I could have a guess...

[Palmares]

We were already somewhat on this subject in your introduction thread eh.

But yes, Q is 100% right. In all my times (especially back in my commie days) around radical circles, different types of activism, struggles, protests, etc, did I ever see any real proof CPA even exists. Maybe I encountered them once or twice? Maybe? Even the Sparts are most visible and active, and they are like 3 (old as fuck) people for the entire country.

Socialist Alliance, and Socialist Alternative (or whoever they are now, I forget who came out of the split... "Solidarity" was one I think?) are the only real active groups in Australia. Both have much younger members (compared to CPA, Sparts, etc), especially the latter.

I hear good things about the workers solidarity networks in the different cities that some of my friends are involved in too. They're not strictly commie however, but rather an alliance of diverse backgrounds/politics etc. Though, commies would make up a large majority.

But anyway, here you re getting advice from an anarchist! :lol:

[The Epitome of Justice]

So have you had a look at their websites yet? The public CPA is growing but slowly apparently. Because when one looks for a communist movement in Australia they simply search "Communist Party of Australia" and their website comes on the front page. They also made the first young communist league here last year.

I am not sure if they are revolutionary or have gone down the same path as the CPUSA and are watered down a bit because they aim to build socialism for now by directing current politics in that direction: "The Communist Party of Australia believes there is a way to overcome Australia's economic and social problems. To do this it is necessary to change the direction of politics in Australia and, eventually, to replace the capitalist system with a socialist one."

As for cpaml the secrecy is more of a tradition thing that is also kept because the word "communism" has been stained. You can find their website by searching "Communist Party of Australia (Marxist-Leninist)".

[The Epitome of Justice]

As for the CPA(M.L) they have basically become a Third-Worldist Maoist party and currently the only one in Australia.

[The Epitome of Justice]

None of these. Given your descriptions of them, they all seem to be fossilised remains of very vertically organised sects with dead end politics and no actual influence in the class movement. Time would be better spent.

Which movement do you think is best and can truely be revolutionary?