On Proletarianization

[Yuli Ban]

This relates to my as-yet unwritten novel series, Mother Meki.
Well, it's not really "unwritten" anymore. On top of posting some rough draft chapters on another site, I also started the second big attempt to put the story into narrative form, and I'm up to chapter seven.
Particularly the first book more than anything, which takes place during "The Doppies" or the dictatorship of the proletariat, and the protagonist, Meki, is the schizophrenic daughter of a haute neo-feudal bourgeois.
I am interested in learning how the process of proletarianization (integration with the proletariat) would play out for a person not of the working class, but interested in going a step further past merely showing their support for the revolution.
I understand that the doppies is the period of time where the working class uses the state as an apparatus to crush reactionary forces. As seen on these very boards, some oppose the use of this force at all, and others want it to be as harsh as possible.
I had hoped that it seemed realistic enough to have Meki rat out her reactionary classmates, but some other stuff feels pointlessly dystopian for the sake of being dystopian. A proletarianization school to reeducate the burzhui (bourgeoisie) in Red History? Forced labor in the vein of capitalism with the roles reversed? I mean, Meki is eager for all this for a variety of reasons, but thinking about it, it sounds excessive.
For a burzhui who not only supported the revolution but was arguably the chief reason it was successful (stealing all her father's money and shutting down all defenses) and thus has no resistance to crush, would proletarianization be honorary from the start? If not, how would you have it play out?

Especially take into consideration those around Meki, her classmates if you will. The elites who wrecked the world and nearly brought us to extinction. You know, the whole reason why leftists, anarchists, syndicalists, etc. even discuss the need for revolution. Obviously some of them are reactionary, as they'll always be (In the book, they splinter into two fascist extremist groups, one so antisemitic as to burn Jews and proles in ovens in some sick recreation of the Holocaust). Try as we might to not succumb to it, we'll always view "the whole lot of them" as the same as these lunatics. Would it be fair to say that, in reactions to this reaction, Meki would be caught up in the suppression?

Interested in your feelings on this. More interested in how you feel about the concept of proletarianization. I know it's not the most commonly discussed topic (one reason why I want to write this, though there are many other), but this could make or break my novel. No intentions to keep the series dystopian after the first book, of course, if that matters.

[John Nada]

This relates to my as-yet unwritten novel series, Mother Meki.TBH I was kind of disappointed this wasn't a serious question. Oh well.
Particularly the first book more than anything, which takes place during "The Doppies" or the dictatorship of the proletariat,I see a joke there. Were they stereotyped as hippie types or sold drugs to fund the revolution.:grin:
and the protagonist, Meki, is the schizophrenic daughter of a haute neo-feudal bourgeois.Schizophrenia is a very debilitating illness that causes psychosis. It can have what's called positive symptoms, basically what you'd stereotype as schizophrenia(hallucinations, paranoia and delusions), and negative symptoms(apathy, anhedonia, cognitive problems, inappropriate emotions, difficulty in communicating and attention problems). There's paranoid(mostly the positive symptoms), disorganized(mostly the negative) and catatonic(where they can't move or can't stop moving). It is not the same as personality disorders(schzoid, schizotypical, multiple personalities, sociopathy) or mood disorders (bipolar or major depression, though they can co-occurred, such as in the rarer schizoaffective disorder, and be hard to distinguish from psychotic variants of the two)

There's some medications that can treat many of the symptoms for some people(particularly the positive ones, not so much the negative), but no cure(which is very unlikely). The medications and can have side effects like tiredness, increased appetite, metabolic disorders, sometimes even Parkinsonism. If they don't take it they will often relapse.

People with schizophrenia aren't more violent than average(often studies that say that don't factor in higher rates of drug and alcohol abuse, which is common due to the distress from it). However, they are far more likely to be victims of violence(assault, rape, police brutality, and murder). I hope you aren't writing a bunch of negative stereotypes as a cheap way to explain the plot and characters. They face a lot of ableist oppression. Maybe make it where, in spite of her bourgeois background, she experiences discrimination and stigma from her disability? This makes her sympathetic to the workers and oppressed.
I am interested in learning how the process of proletarianization (integration with the proletariat) would play out for a person not of the working class, but interested in going a step further past merely showing their support for the revolution.Engels, one of the founders of Marxism, came from a bourgeois family. Prominent anarchist theorists, Bukunin and Kropotkin, can from aristocratic families. Lenin had family that was made part of the nobility. Mao's father was relatively rich, compared to his neighbors. I'd imagine that if they were sincerely devoted to the causes, they'd be accepted as comrades.
I understand that the doppies is the period of time where the working class uses the state as an apparatus to crush reactionary forces. As seen on these very boards, some oppose the use of this force at all, and others want it to be as harsh as possible.If you look at every attempt at a proletarian revolutions in history, bitter enemies among the bourgeoisie would unite to crush the revolution. Russia got attacked by over a dozen countries after their revolution! If they're harsh, it's likely the enemy is too.
I had hoped that it seemed realistic enough to have Meki rat out her reactionary classmates, but some other stuff feels pointlessly dystopian for the sake of being dystopian. A proletarianization school to reeducate the burzhui (bourgeoisie) in Red History? Forced labor in the vein of capitalism with the roles reversed? I mean, Meki is eager for all this for a variety of reasons, but thinking about it, it sounds excessive.It's likely that most would just be given regular jobs like everyone else, so long as they weren't dangerous counter-revolutionaries. They might be a small fraction of the population, but you can't just kill/imprison tens, perhaps hundreds of people, if they're not a threat(that's what the American capitalist do:lol: ). Look at Aisin-Gioro Puyi (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Puyi#Later_life_.281945.E2.80.931967.29), the last empiror of China. He straight up collaborated with Japanese fascists as their puppet. Yet after ten years in prison, they let him out to be a gardener, and even let him work as an editor.
For a burzhui who not only supported the revolution but was arguably the chief reason it was successful (stealing all her father's money and shutting down all defenses) and thus has no resistance to crush, would proletarianization be honorary from the start? If not, how would you have it play out?Why does someone who has a serious medical condition need to be "proletarianized"? She's already suffered enough with her schizophrenia. Besides, not only did she turn on "her own" country for the revolution, she screwed over her bourgeois father(who was probably an asshole) for the people. She'd already be "proletarianized".
Especially take into consideration those around Meki, her classmates if you will. The elites who wrecked the world and nearly brought us to extinction. You know, the whole reason why leftists, anarchists, syndicalists, etc. even discuss the need for revolution. Obviously some of them are reactionary, as they'll always be (In the book, they splinter into two fascist extremist groups, one so antisemitic as to burn Jews and proles in ovens in some sick recreation of the Holocaust). Try as we might to not succumb to it, we'll always view "the whole lot of them" as the same as these lunatics. Would it be fair to say that, in reactions to this reaction, Meki would be caught up in the suppression?Imagine you're a left-leaning person. Then you find yourself surrounded by the Nazis(literally), who would gladly kill you and your family. Would you have a problem putting them in the ground?
Interested in your feelings on this. More interested in how you feel about the concept of proletarianization. I know it's not the most commonly discussed topic (one reason why I want to write this, though there are many other), but this could make or break my novel. No intentions to keep the series dystopian after the first book, of course, if that matters.Not sure if I have the same concept of what integrating ex-class enemies and counter-revolutions entails. I'd imagine that they'd have to do regular work, just like everyone else. Obviously war criminals would be punished. However, this would mean changing their whole environment. An entirely different mode of production unlike anything before. It might suck not being able to living like kings and queens anymore, but no one would suffer like billions do under capitalism. In the long run it'd be better for everyone.

[Yuli Ban]

Oh wow! Someone actually replied?

Thanks for your insight, friend.:)

[Yuli Ban]

Also to respond to the Doppies joke, that's just a joke in universe. The protagonist, Meki, is the one who funded the revolution. "Doppies" was easier to say than "Dictatorship of the Proletariat" so people adopted it. And she's schizophrenic because he father designed her that way for his sexual pleasure. Also, due to being owned by a droid (sold to it by her father), she is not allowed to receive treatment for schizophrenia.
Just saying this so I don't come off as a jokester ableist.