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TheMaroon
5th February 2015, 18:14
"The game is rigged, and the rich and powerful have lobbyists and lawyers and plenty of friends in Congress. We can whine about it, we can whimper about it, or we can fight back. I’m fighting back!" -Elizabeth Warren

In the 2016 presidential election do you want more corporate puppets? Or do you want to vote for somebody who'll actually make a change? Sen. Elizabeth Warren is a woman for the people. I'm thoroughly convinced she is the next president. If you want her to run then you should sign the petition at runwarrenrun.org/

Decolonize The Left
5th February 2015, 18:18
I honestly believe that Warren has her heart in the right place. However all political campaigns and representative politics are framed by the interests of capital, that is, the interests which own and operate said campaigns and politics. Warren, despite her success, exists within a framework which will only allow her specific and conditional success, and only insofar as it benefits the interests of capital, not the working class. History is ripe with these lessons. If you want to vote for her I won't try and dissuade you but I will encourage you to see your vote within the larger context of capital.

Blake's Baby
5th February 2015, 18:21
Presient of the Board of Trade? President of the European Commission? President of FIFA?

What are you talking abut?

Rosa Partizan
5th February 2015, 18:30
I don't particularly care, I'm not American, but this is stuff that we've all heard before, from various politicians all over the globe that lean towards the left, so I really don't see the big deal. It's not like getting the most votes within a system can put you in a position to act outside of this system or to even deconstruct this system. Her means are restricted anyway and lobbying in its broadest sense is just inseparable from current American politics.

Guardia Rossa
5th February 2015, 18:39
Presient of the Board of Trade? President of the European Commission? President of FIFA?

What are you talking abut?

^This

The Garbage Disposal Unit
5th February 2015, 18:39
HOPE and CHANGE Pt. II

Think she can get some campaign art done by that douche Shepard Fairey?

Prof. Oblivion
5th February 2015, 18:46
Warren is a politician. She's not interested or capable of doing anything meaningful.

Anglo-Saxon Philistine
5th February 2015, 20:07
Presient of the Board of Trade? President of the European Commission? President of FIFA?

What are you talking abut?

The elections for the president of the Dominican Republic in 2016, obviously.

Brandon's Impotent Rage
5th February 2015, 20:14
Look, I'll be honest...

I like Liz Warren. As far as bourgeois politicians go she's probably the one I can tolerate the most. She's idealistic, she's fiery, and she doesn't have that stench of phony that Obama has/had. She seems really genuine, and the fact that all of the big millionaire donors in American politics are terrified of her is definitely a point in her favor.

But ultimately, she and her supporters are only going to be disappointed. Simply put, the bourgeois state cannot bring about any real fairness or equality because it's entire structure is predicated on protecting capitalism and capitalist ownership of the means of production.

Creative Destruction
5th February 2015, 20:26
she seems to be a pretty typical liberal. that is exactly something that would make me not vote for her.

eta. i'd vote for Alan Grayson, because he stirs shit up and it's funny.

Subversive
5th February 2015, 20:28
She's "fighting" a "rigged system" by intentionally participating in that rigged system? Hilarious. Typical politician.

Why is this not in the 'Opposing Ideologies' section? She is not a revolutionary nor a Leftist. Support for her is support for Capitalism.

Mr. Piccolo
5th February 2015, 20:36
I am always wary of the "rigged system" arguments that progressives like Warren often use. Even if there is some truth to their contention, the argument assumes that capitalism can and should be a just, meritocratic system, if only we could properly regulate big business, or pass this or that reform. In essence, it is not much different than the "crony capitalism" argument used by libertarians.

Ethics Gradient, Traitor For All Ages
5th February 2015, 20:44
Warren was pretty wishy/washy on the nsa news when it broke, although she changed sides a bit when it became politically safe to do so. Typical politician. Part of running a rigged game is trying to convince the player that the possibility of a game that's not rigged is still in the cards.

n0ro
5th February 2015, 21:34
I'm sincerely disinterested in the presidential election. There was a time many years ago where I identified as a very-liberal Democrat, sympathetic to social democracy. My anecdotal experience working in politics for 3 years, confounded with my exposure to leftist political thought, brought me away from the Democrats.

Her rhetoric is along the lines of establishing a "fair capitalism," something that is inconceivable. There is also the independent democratic socialist Bernie Sanders from VT who I am actually sympathetic to, but of course, he is (1) playing the bourgeois political game and (2) is unelectable at the national level.

No matter what, the American political system will not allow leftist ideals to be realized through the political process, and the Democrats can't (and won't) change this.

consuming negativity
5th February 2015, 21:40
get rid of the rigged system that currently exists by voting for another democratic president to preside over it

they're going to have to do better than that this time around

actually, the scary part is that they probably won't...

John Nada
5th February 2015, 22:05
I'll voted for other, FULLCOMMUNISM.:thumbup1:, though voting for "Here"(Revleft) was tempting(sic?);).
Elizabeth Warren is a woman for the people.Not for the people of Palestine.
“I think the vote(to fund Israel's military:me) was right, and I’ll tell you why I think the vote was right. America has a very special relationship with Israel. Israel lives in a very dangerous part of the world, and a part of the world where there aren’t many liberal democracies and democracies that are controlled by the rule of law. And we very much need an ally in that part of the world.”

Warren said Hamas has attacked Israel “indiscriminately,” but with the Iron Dome defense system, the missiles have “not had the terrorist effect Hamas hoped for.” When pressed by another member of the crowd about civilian casualties from Israel’s attacks, Warren said she believes those casualties are the “last thing Israel wants.”

“But when Hamas puts its rocket launchers next to hospitals, next to schools, they’re using their civilian population to protect their military assets. And I believe Israel has a right, at that point, to defend itself,” Warren said, drawing applause. Source: https://firstlook.org/theintercept/2014/08/28/elizabeth-warren-speaks-israelgaza-sounds-like-netanyahu

And by extension she not for the Israeli people either, by supporting a bourgeois regime which will continue to keep both the Israeli and Palestinian proletariat oppressed under capitalism.

I know that it's a political "third rail" for a US politician to be openly critical of Israel, like it's the 51's state. But fuck, she's to the right of Obama and Netanyahu's old friend, Secretary of State John Kerry, on this. They were, according to some reports, a bit pissed at Netanyahu's Gaza massacre.

Look, in my whole life, and in my parent's whole lives, the Democrats have been nothing but a bunch of disappointments that get "progressively" more disappointing each election. I'm now convinced that, contrary to what the CPUSA thinks, the Democrats are a dead end. They'll be the first to condemn and attack a revolution, here and in other places. Not even a betrayal as with the SPD or Kuomintang, they're the center-right wing of the same Democrat-Republican Party.

It doesn't matter if Warren or any bourgeois politician is in their hearts to the left of Lenin. If they're running to help maintain or "improve" an oppressive system, you'll be lucky to get even temporary token reforms.

I'll just vote yes on a proposition legalizing weed, leaving the rest of the ballot blank.

rylasasin
5th February 2015, 22:41
"The game is rigged, and the rich and powerful have lobbyists and lawyers and plenty of friends in Congress. Vote for me so I can do nothing of value at all, because as I said the game is rigged and playing a rigged game isn't going to solve anything."

SkepticEpileptic
5th February 2015, 22:45
"The game is rigged, and the rich and powerful have lobbyists and lawyers and plenty of friends in Congress. Vote for me so I can do nothing of value at all, because as I said the game is rigged and playing a rigged game isn't going to solve anything."

^lel

VivalaCuarta
6th February 2015, 03:33
The elections for the president of the Dominican Republic in 2016, obviously.

Wrong, comrade. The voters in the DR elect their president. The voters in the U.S. elect the Dominican president's boss. Liz Warren would make a great boss and she has the Harvard credentials to prove it. Buy war bonds, make a killing where you live or work!