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Jacob Cliff
26th January 2015, 16:50
I know this seems basic but how does socialism solve exploitation, exactly?
From my understanding exploitation occurs because the worker essentially is "paying" the capitalist in surplus labor (if the time to create the value equal to his wage is 3 hours, the remaining 3 hours of the 6 hour day would be surplus value). But isn't that necessary? Surplus value is necessary to put back into the making of commodities, plus for social services.
Obviously all of you know that, but how is this truly exploitative? And would socialism really do any different, with people still working surplus labor?
Collective Reasons
26th January 2015, 18:04
For Proudhon, exploitation was specifically the individual appropriation by the capitalists of the fruits of collective labor. If the workers work together for the time that it would take them to gain a subsistence individually, any surplus is the fruit of "collective force." The socialist alternative then is to channel collective labor to collective purposes, rather than allowing it to become a weapon in the hands of the capitalist class.
Jacob Cliff
26th January 2015, 18:21
So the surplus going directly to benefit society?
Collective Reasons
26th January 2015, 18:27
So the surplus going directly to benefit society?
Yes, either through simply leaving it in the hands of the workers or through some more direct means.
Ethics Gradient, Traitor For All Ages
26th January 2015, 18:27
Well if working half your shift for free isn't bad enough, workers are then forced to enter the market and buy back what they've just produced, in order to reproduce themselves and the capitalists so as to start the whole process over again.
Jacob Cliff
27th January 2015, 03:42
In other words, workers are, in a way, getting back the full value of their labor in some form or another?
GiantMonkeyMan
27th January 2015, 09:42
What Ethics is essentially getting at is that workers have no control over the products that they create or the services they can provide and so must utilise the money they get as a wage to purchase the very commodities or services that they created. Not literally, like a person working in a bicycle factory must use all their money to buy bicycles or whatever, but rather the commodities forged by workers as a class are controlled by the capitalist class who devise ways of extracting profit at every stage of exchange and production. Workers have no choice but to funnel what little they receive as a wage back to the capitalist class that exploits them.
The 92nd One
30th January 2015, 17:47
A worker is being exploited if the price of his labour (his wage) is less than the value of his labour (the value his labour generates)
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