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Tim Cornelis
25th January 2015, 15:20
Apparently there's self-proclaimed anticapitalists and anti-imperialists fighting for Ukraine as well.

So these guys:
https://ukrainesolidaritycampaign.files.wordpress.com/2015/01/anti-imperialist-action.jpg

Are fighting against these guys:
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-wBoD4Ep-HIQ/U_coRaEffKI/AAAAAAAAH2I/8m6wM1S_I_E/s1600/brigadistas%2Ben%2Bdonbass.jpeg

While these guys:
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-wBoD4Ep-HIQ/U_coRaEffKI/AAAAAAAAH2I/8m6wM1S_I_E/s1600/brigadistas%2Ben%2Bdonbass.jpeg

Fight with these guys:
(note: Czarist and neo-fascist flags and symbols)
http://i.imgur.com/yP9U3Mz.jpg
http://politikus.ru/uploads/posts/2014-10/1412247074_957271418.jpg

While these guys:
https://ukrainesolidaritycampaign.files.wordpress.com/2015/01/anti-imperialist-action.jpg

Fight with these guys:
http://defendinghistory.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/march_111015_2-2.jpg

What a mess.

RedKobra
25th January 2015, 15:24
I just shake my head. What are those nazi's thinking? I simply do not understand the mind of the far right.

motion denied
25th January 2015, 15:26
I just shake my head. What are those nazi's thinking? I simply do not understand the mind of the far right.

given the thread, i can't understand the mind of the "far" left either.

RedKobra
25th January 2015, 15:28
given the thread, i can't understand the mind of the "far" left either.

True, its just every time I see a young person wearing nazi regalia I just...weep inside.

Hrafn
25th January 2015, 15:54
I weep every time I see supposed socialists fighting for an inter-imperialist, fascist cause. Well, no, I don't, but I certainly frown a bit.

Mass Grave Aesthetics
25th January 2015, 16:03
Sums up the abyssmal political situation of today almost too well, doesn't it? While fighting against one imperialist block you are supporting another one. While fighting one set of fascists you are unintentionally aiding fascists of a different (or not so different) nationalism.

Tragic. Really fucking tragic.

Ethics Gradient, Traitor For All Ages
25th January 2015, 18:22
Ukraine is the graveyard for a particular kind of coherent radical left/right politics.

jullia
25th January 2015, 19:21
Not follow particulary the events. But it seems it just an old traditional war. Where two states fight each others for some fields. Both side picture the others as the devils, but i'am really not sure somebody is "right" there. It's typically bullshit. Poor people die for oligarches.

Ethics Gradient, Traitor For All Ages
25th January 2015, 19:28
It is just a regular old war, you're right about that. It's the opposition groups that have been unable to put together a coherent analysis for themselves, which ends up in the situation Tim is describing where anti-fascists and fascists have linked up with one faction of imperialists to battle different fascists and anti-fascists who have in turn linked up with the other faction of imperialists. This is absolutely the 20th century repeating itself as farce, marx deserves some credit. Tragicomedy at it's worst