How is milk good for you, does it even provide calcium?

[Bala Perdida]

Well, I myself am pretty sure I'm lactose intolerant. I still drink milk with some stuff though (oh god I can't bare it alone), and choose to suffer through the consequences. I bring it up only when something unappetizing is present.

Other than that, there's the constant 'milk helps you build strong bones' crap that is being debunked by research. So is it actually any good for bones at all? If not, is it good for anything else?

The idea of being the only species that drinks another animals milk sounds strange and ineffective. Personally, milk doesn't sound convincing unless it's a mother to child thing. Babies obviously need their formula, but do kids need their glass (of cow milk)?

Here's an article I found quickly just to get the mind going:
http://www.sciencealert.com/study-suggests-milk-doesnt-strengthen-your-bones-it-ages-you-instead

[BIXX]

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[Lord Testicles]

The idea of being the only species that drinks another animals milk sounds strange and ineffective.


http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2005/05/images/050905_dogtigers.jpg

[Ethics Gradient, Traitor For All Ages]

Among other things I have heard that most milk includes a certain amount of cow mucus, that amount being regulated by whatever oversight body in a given country. I have also heard that the pasteurization process removes any beneficial properties from the milk. Whether any of that is true I don't know, I've never been a big milk drinker and I actually prefer the taste of almond milk, although I'm not a fan of the increased sugar content.

[motion denied]

I drink 1,5liter of milk per day (more or less).

Milk is good, carbs and protein.

[Lord Testicles]

I drink 1,5liter of milk per day (more or less).

Milk is good, carbs and protein.

Work that LCT gene.

[Bala Perdida]

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2005/05/images/050905_dogtigers.jpg
I think I remember watching a special on that.

[Lord Testicles]

I think I remember watching a special on that.

From what I gather it seems to happen whenever a zoo needs to nurse some tiger cubs.

[Redistribute the Rep]

The calcium is added to the milk in accordance with government regulations, it doesn't come out of the cow like that. People weren't getting enough calcium so the government arbitrarily chose milk to start to add it to

[Lily Briscoe]

I drink 1,5liter of milk per day (more or less).

Check your lactase privilege :mad:

[Tim Cornelis]

I noticed that recently because of my diet I've started considering milk as a treat. Sad almost.

But how is it "ineffective"? Reminds me of this stupid thing:

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/7a/e9/5b/7ae95b76c55f26f9681e043fc692a9a5.jpg

It is a cow.

A cow is a mammal.

A cow lactates, but not for her babies. Nature doesn't have goals or intentions.

Drinking milk is not unnatural and if it was, that doesn't make it bad (appeal to nature fallacy).

[PhoenixAsh]

It is a very good source for proteine. I am not sure about the calcium.

If you are lactose intolerant or develop periodic intolerance to milk products then don't drink milk and find other sources for proteine.

I drink 3 liters of milk when I am in a high cycle for training. And generally I drink a liter when I am not.

Intolerance can flare up or you can be intolerant period. That is a sign you should not drink milk. It is basically your body saying: nope....

Listen to your body.

[Ethics Gradient, Traitor For All Ages]

Hmm a lot of those points are true though

Edit: goddamnit pa, I'm too lazy to quote Tim and then copy and paste it into this edit.

[Creative Destruction]

Hmm a lot of those points are true though

The five initial statements are true, but the conclusion is a non-sequitor and, as Tim pointed out, an appeal to nature anyway. the statement might as well be:

1. This is an almond

2. An almond is a plant

3. Seedling plants lactate for themselves

4. You are not an almond seedling

5. Therefore, your drinking almond "milk" is unnatural and absurd.

[Ethics Gradient, Traitor For All Ages]

I was joking haha. I actually am a calf

[Creative Destruction]

anyway. i use cow's milk for baking some things and what not, because it usually yields a creamier taste, but for drinking and eating cereal, i use almond milk.

[Creative Destruction]

I was joking haha. I actually am a calf

man, evolution is awesome.

[BIXX]

Soy milk or some sweet as fuck almond milk is the best.

Milk is second best.

After that everything is fucking nasty.

[Tim Cornelis]

3 liters milk is insane. Or even a liter.

I'd maybe drink more if I was more sure about oestrogen from cow hormones not being a problem..... I could google it again I suppose, but meh.

[motion denied]

Check your lactase privilege :mad:

Feels good to be the 1%.


Soy milk.

Nonono! Soy milk is the worst.

[BIXX]

Feels good to be the 1%.



Nonono! Soy milk is the worst.
I remember really liking it when I was a kid. I'll have to try it again now that I have a more refined taste (I've stopped with the microwaving grilled cheeses, for example, because the microwave was SO MUCH EASIER but APPARENTLY that's gross). So maybe my opinions on soy milk will have changed.

[Invader Zim]

So, because trees and bushes also produce fruit as part of their reproductive processes it is illogical for people to eat them too. Sound logic.

Meanwhile, British health improved during the Second World War, because it meant that people, and in particular working class children, had regular access to foods and drinks (milk being probably the most important) as a result of rationing.

[GiantMonkeyMan]

Milk contains 120mg of calcium per 100ml as well as the phosphorus needed to process that calcium. It's also got significant amounts of zinc, which is good for the immune system and enzymes etc, and other minerals (depending on the cow's diet and health). Plus it goes well with tea.

[Rudolf]

. Plus it goes well with tea.


oh my god yes but then i can't actually tell the difference between cows milk in my tea or soy milk. Are my taste buds broken?

[Invader Zim]

Are my taste buds broken?

Yes. Very.

And George would, doubtless, not approve.

http://theorwellprize.co.uk/george-orwell/by-orwell/essays-and-other-works/a-nice-cup-of-tea/

[Rudolf]

Yes. Very.

And George would, doubtless, not approve.

http://theorwellprize.co.uk/george-orwell/by-orwell/essays-and-other-works/a-nice-cup-of-tea/



From a quick look at that link there's alot he wouldnt approve of... well, except i don't have sugar in my tea.

"If you sweeten it, you are no longer tasting the tea, you are merely tasting the sugar; you could make a very similar drink by dissolving sugar in plain hot water."

is exactly what i told my mate who has 5 spoonfuls per cup! Fucking 5! Thats not tea it's syrup!

[Ethics Gradient, Traitor For All Ages]

I can enjoy tea without any sweetener, but a proper cup of tea should rot one's teeth out imo.

[PhoenixAsh]

3 liters milk is insane. Or even a liter.

I'd maybe drink more if I was more sure about oestrogen from cow hormones not being a problem..... I could google it again I suppose, but meh.

http://www.metaboliceffect.com/hormones-in-milk/

If you add that to the experience of thousadns of powerlifters and body buidlers with Milk as a source for proteine...then you can assume that the risk would be very low unless you suffer from hormone intolerance issues. Especially considering the testosterone increase from weight lifting....and testosterone aromatisation chemistry...then the risks are very, very low.

[Quail]

I'm probably somewhat biased as a vegan with lactose intolerance... But I'd say if milk is making you ill, stop drinking it.

Depending on where you live and your budget, there are probably numerous milk alternatives available, which tend to be fortified with calcium, vitamin D and B vitamins. You can also get calcium from leafy green veg, broccoli, tofu, beans, etc., so drinking milk definitely isn't the only way to get enough calcium.

[Lord Testicles]

Apparently lactose intolerance is the norm globally, and cheese and yoghurt were a way for our lactose intolerant ancestors to consume dairy products. (http://www.slate.com/articles/health_and_science/human_evolution/2012/10/evolution_of_lactose_tolerance_why_do_humans_keep_ drinking_milk.html#)

[BIXX]

I hate to say it but this is the most interesting thread on revleft in a long time.

[Invader Zim]

https://nedcolville.files.wordpress.com/2011/02/lacto-free.jpg

One of my ex's used to be lactose intolerant so we drank this. Tastes the same as normal milk.

[BIXX]

https://nedcolville.files.wordpress.com/2011/02/lacto-free.jpg

One of my ex's used to be lactose intolerant so we drank this. Tastes the same as normal milk.
Wat the fack

Where do you even buy that? I've never seen it in stores.

[GiantMonkeyMan]

My grandparents used to drink sterilized milk. That shit's just cloudy water.

[Tim Cornelis]

http://www.metaboliceffect.com/hormones-in-milk/

If you add that to the experience of thousadns of powerlifters and body buidlers with Milk as a source for proteine...then you can assume that the risk would be very low unless you suffer from hormone intolerance issues. Especially considering the testosterone increase from weight lifting....and testosterone aromatisation chemistry...then the risks are very, very low.

well I do have a bit acne flaring up from time to time, which may correlate with increased milk consumption, but I don't know. Will quit drinking (animal's) milk then.

[Invader Zim]

Wat the fack

Where do you even buy that? I've never seen it in stores.

Dunno, they well it in all major UK supermarkets. Elsewhere?

Walmart?

http://www.walmart.com/c/kp/lactose-free-milk

[Ethics Gradient, Traitor For All Ages]

I feed lactose-free milk to my cat but I've never seen it outside of the pet aisle in a store. Weird.

[Creative Destruction]

My grandparents used to drink sterilized milk. That shit's just cloudy water.

homogenized milk is sterile, too. what did your grandparents do to it?

[Creative Destruction]

i had a glass of cow's milk for the first time in a few years this morning and my stomach started hurting bad. ugh.

[Anglo-Saxon Philistine]

Wat the fack

Where do you even buy that? I've never seen it in stores.

They sell it in Croatia, which is basically the part of the world the rest of the world doesn't want to acknowledge. I would think that if they sell it in Hrvatia they sell it everywhere.

[Redistribute the Rep]

Apparently lactose intolerance is the norm globally, and cheese and yoghurt were a way for our lactose intolerant ancestors to consume dairy products. (http://www.slate.com/articles/health_and_science/human_evolution/2012/10/evolution_of_lactose_tolerance_why_do_humans_keep_ drinking_milk.html#)

Here's a map to elaborate, you'll see that the most tolerant places have the most dairy in their diets. It's commonly known that not consuming lactose for an extended period of time will decrease the body's ability to produce the lactase enzyme for digesting it. Hard to read but the red is the most lactose intolerant

http://img4.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20100725194023/lactosefreerecipes/images/thumb/f/ff/Lactase_Intolerance_world_map.png/500px-Lactase_Intolerance_world_map.png

And why does PA keep spelling protein wrong? Is there some sort of alternate spelling I'm not aware of?

[Lily Briscoe]

It's commonly known that not consuming lactose for an extended period of time will decrease the body's ability to produce the lactase enzyme for digesting it.


Really? I've never heard this before... I always thought the theory was that natural selection favored lactase persistence in populations that consumed milk products.

[Redistribute the Rep]

Hmm, well this was how I was taught it in an anatomy course. Also, people can alternate between tolerance and intolerance in their life depending on if they consume it, so I would think it wouldn't just be something you're born with

[PhoenixAsh]

It's the Dutch spelling more or less..its the autocorrect on my phone that doesn't think English is a real language

[Rosa Partizan]

Soy milk or some sweet as fuck almond milk is the best.


Came to declare this a premium post.

When I stopped eating dairy products, I noticed how my skin would become better. Just cleaner, smoother, softer. I thought this was a coincidence, but when I googled it, many people reported how they experienced the same. After half a year or so, my skin was almost flawless, and no, this has nothing to do with aging, I got horrible skin with 24 when I dropped the birth controll pill for a year or so. I read that this phenomenon is a sign of a light lactose intolerance, because otherwise, I have no problems with dairy products.

[Redistribute the Rep]

I went to a dermatologist once and she recommended less dairy, so guess there's some science behind it

Well I didn't stop eating dairy because I don't really have acne, i went to see her for ringworm but all she talked about was acne stuff

[Pancakes Rühle]

Vitamins, minerals... wtf kind of question are you even asking here? Pass the jay pal.

[Rosa Partizan]

I went to a dermatologist once and she recommended less dairy,

you could've gotten the same advice from me for free, so don't you ever go there again :rolleyes: I consider myself an expert on skin stuff, my facial skin is so greasy that I could provide a whole McDonalds store with dripping for at least a week or so. But with the right food and care, it has become a lot better.

[Tim Cornelis]

^That's... graphic...

--

There's basically no protein in almond milk. Disappointing. :glare:

[Anglo-Saxon Philistine]

It's the Dutch spelling more or less..its the autocorrect on my phone that doesn't think English is a real language

That's because you speak a language that is misspelled English, like the person responsible for the name "Krispy Kreme" got to write a dictionary.

Glass houses, I know.

[Rosa Partizan]

it's really offtopic, but 870, don't you find it hilarious how the Serbs write everything the way they pronounce it? Like, George Clooney becomes Džordž Kluni. Why the fuck do they do that?

[Anglo-Saxon Philistine]

The same reasons Russians do it, I suppose; Cyrillic doesn't really have letters like q, w, x and so on. So if they wanted to spell words like "Wall Street" the same way they're spelled in English, well, they can't.

[DOOM]

I fucking adore milk.
Like wtf there are really people on this board complaining about the terrible effects milk has on our body while poppin pills and drinking alcohol?

[Rosa Partizan]

I fucking adore milk.
Like wtf there are really people on this board complaining about the terrible effects milk has on our body while poppin pills and drinking alcohol?

I hate you so much, white cishet male scum http://balkanportal.info/vb/images/smilies/frog.png
this comparison is kinda lame because most people drink alcohol rather rarely (well, maybe not on revleft), but milk is drunk pretty frequently, often enough on a daily basis plus it is in many different kinds of food while alcohol is not. Also, why not erase at least some of the stuff that's bad for you? It's not like you have to be some vegan glutenfree health warrior, inconsequence is pretty human.

[Q]

Here's a map to elaborate, you'll see that the most tolerant places have the most dairy in their diets. It's commonly known that not consuming lactose for an extended period of time will decrease the body's ability to produce the lactase enzyme for digesting it. Hard to read but the red is the most lactose intolerant

http://img4.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20100725194023/lactosefreerecipes/images/thumb/f/ff/Lactase_Intolerance_world_map.png/500px-Lactase_Intolerance_world_map.png

And why does PA keep spelling protein wrong? Is there some sort of alternate spelling I'm not aware of?
This is a great map depicting several centuries of colonial influences.

Anyway, I do remember reading somewhere that drinking milk is actually bad for your bones. I'll link it if I find it.

[motion denied]

I thought it was goof for our bones?

[Palmares]

I grew up drinking a glass of milk a day. Apparently what you were supposed to do for good bones eh. In my adult life, I don't heaps have dairy at all. I'm no vegan though.

If I was to have more dairy in my diet, no too much, but some, I would prefer ones that have some healthy bacteria in them. Yogurt of course is famous for this. It's a fermented afterall. They say in your average supermarket, it's the only thing that is alive (i.e. bacteria). The strict rules around food kills the bacteria in alot of food products. Of course bad bacteria exists, but killing all bacteria is hardly the answer. That's why some folk are into raw milk. I've tried it. It's different of course, but I didn't think it was gross or anything. But you know, different strokes for different folks. Cheese is old milk anyway, haha.

But overall, I prefer yogurt. Again, I don't have it alot, but some yogurt tastes awesome, and also if you're worried about bad bacteria yogurt seems less risky than something like raw milk as it actually passes the high standards of government health policies.

On that note, some milk with my cereal coming up...

[consuming negativity]

milk = disgusting (not to mention it comes out of cows)
yogurt = alive (see: disgusting)
cheese = delicious, nutritious, long shelf life, goes with anything

the choice is clear

[Slavic]

milk = disgusting (not to mention it comes out of cows)
yogurt = alive (see: disgusting)
cheese = delicious, nutritious, long shelf life, goes with anything

the choice is clear

I guess coagulated bacteria infested old milk is not disgusting :rolleyes:

[BIXX]

milk = disgusting (not to mention it comes out of cows)
yogurt = alive (see: disgusting)
cheese = delicious, nutritious, long shelf life, goes with anything

the choice is clear
Cheese is obviously wonderful.

[Bala Perdida]

my facial skin is so greasy that I could provide a whole McDonalds store with dripping for at least a week or so.
Don't you dare try and take my morning job! But seriously, I've been told I have an irregularly vast amount of face grease. I think it's lowering, and even if it wasn't I wouldn't care. My face has been clearing up with exercise and not letting my mom put her placebo grease cream on me.

[Bala Perdida]

Also I never said drinking milk is wrong because it's unnatural, I just merely implied it. Lol. But really I basically said I think of it as weird and I haven't seen many results. Maybe better teeth? I'm not sure.
That crap tastes terrible alone, but I find it impossible to live without cheese.

[BIXX]

Don't you dare try and take my morning job! But seriously, I've been told I have an irregularly vast amount of face grease. I think it's lowering, and even if it wasn't I wouldn't care. My face has been clearing up with exercise and not letting my mom put her placebo grease cream on me.


My face has been clearing up with exercise and not letting my mom put her placebo grease cream on me.


placebo grease cream on me.


What the fuck. So much what the fuck in this thread.

[Rosa Partizan]

wtf is this even? Some american thing?

[Bala Perdida]

You know. That pimple cream that just makes it worse. I think neutrogena makes one. I spelled that wrong, but I can't Google right now.

[BIXX]

To be fair I totally read that wrong and could barely see straight when I quoted that, I though you said placenta cream.

[Rosa Partizan]

To be fair I totally read that wrong and could barely see straight when I quoted that, I though you said placenta cream.

hahahahaha oh damn, best post of the day :laugh:

[motion denied]

To be fair I totally read that wrong and could barely see straight when I quoted that, I though you said placenta cream.

lolololol

[Slavic]

To be fair I totally read that wrong and could barely see straight when I quoted that, I though you said placenta cream.


All the vitamins and nutrients your cells crave.

Placenta, its what cells crave.

[Antiochus]

Thread bumping but....

Milk and dairy products are great. I love milk. Most people on Earth become lactose intolerant as they age due to a decrease in their [Lactase] enzyme. The exception are European populations and a few tribes in Africa like the Dinka and Massai.

Milk provides a lot of animal protein, which might seem unneeded in today's world but which historically provided precious nutrients in an agrarian world were most people only ate 1-2 types of crops. There is also a strong correlation between height and intake of dairy products.

I always drink 1-2 glasses per day.

[The Intransigent Faction]

I drank milk more often when I was younger. I still do, sometimes. In my experience, at least, a glass of warm milk works miracles when I need to fall asleep.

[PhoenixAsh]

3 liters per day...

That is 105 grams of protein. If you want optimal protein synthesis your body needs anywhere from 1.5 to 2.5 gram of protein per kg body weight. Below that is just not efficient for muscle and strength growth...

[Ele'ill]

3 liters per day...

That is 105 grams of protein. If you want optimal protein synthesis your body needs anywhere from 1.5 to 2.5 gram of protein per kg body weight. Below that is just not efficient for muscle and strength growth...



If I am on a bulk I do 0.5-1 g/lb and I dont' think that any more would benefit me even if I am doing occasional HIIT (yes during a bulk). The 1 gallon of whole milk/day while lifting heavy and generally active works very well too. One thing to note is that people always underestimate how much protein they're taking in /day because they don't count it from all sources. Bioavailability is a thing but not as much a thing imo.

[Tim Cornelis]

I go by this article:

http://bayesianbodybuilding.com/the-myth-of-1glb-optimal-protein-intake-for-bodybuilders/

"There is normally no advantage to consuming more than 0.82g/lb (1.8g/kg) of protein per day to preserve or build muscle. This already includes a very safe mark-up. There hasn’t been any recorded advantage of consuming more than 0.64g/lb. The only exceptions to this rule could be individuals with extraordinarily high anabolic hormone levels.
• Optimal protein intake decreases with training age, because your body becomes more efficient at preventing protein breakdown resulting from training and less protein is needed for the increasingly smaller amount of muscle that is built after each training session. The magnitude of this effect is unclear."

[Sewer Socialist]

Mari3l, your range overlaps with PhoenixAsh, who is referring to g/kg.

Tim, I feel that I should also point out that, since we're referencing a bodybuilding article, increases in muscle mass are not directly correllated to increases in strength or power. Bodybuilders know this well, and seek to maximize the former without regards to the latter. I suspect a study that looked at strength or power would require even less protein to maintain one's abilities.

On a personal level, I don't go out of my way to eat any extra protein; I am probably somewhere on the low end - 0.3 g/lb, and yet I can still squat twice my bodyweight, without being much of a serious lifter.

[PhoenixAsh]

0.82 grams per LBS is 1,8 grams of protein per KG of body weight

It is a good article...but there are some factual incorrect assumptions the article makes which includes:

1). Protein is not only used to build muscle so the suggested reduction of intake when you reach genetic max fails to keep into account the increased need for protein for maintenance and repair

2). When you grow older you need more protein to maintain muscle mass

3). Protein assimilation, which is the focus of the article, does not equal consumption. Protein is assimilated depending on the type of protein anywhere between 70-90% of intake. So to assimilate 1 gram you need to eat 1.1 to 1.3 grams to even reach that assimilation.

4). Protein has different absorption rates. Depending on the type of protein that varies from 1.3 to 10 gram an hour. And yes...that means that over a period of 24 hour the body can handle, depending on the type of protein, 240 grams of protein. Whether that is healthy is a different debate.

5). Protein slows the movement of food through the lower intestine through hormone regulation. That means that protein sources will leave the lower intestine at a reduced rate over carbs and fat. The body does this to assimilate the protein. Protein that is not used for repairs, rebuilding, building and as an energy source (glucose/insuline synthesis, I believe) will be stored as fat.

6). The body breaks down protein into amino acids. Depending on the type of protein amino acids can be stored for up to 24 hours before being synthesized into an energy source.

7). High muscle volumes will affect the levels of HGH and HGf which do impact the absorption levels of protein.

8). Ketogenic dieters will absorb much more protein than non-ketogenic dieters since protein rather than carbs are their primary source of energy.