Oh dear god, it's almost time

[The Feral Underclass]

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[Creative Destruction]

i was starting to get irritated by Claire's romantic subplot. it was too distracting and lead to nowhere. hopefully the third season is better.

[BIXX]

Holy shit I'm jot the only one who likes this show.

[Zoroaster]

I am Kevin Spacey.

[The Feral Underclass]

Holy shit I'm jot the only one who likes this show.

I think it borders on the best show ever made.

There is an early 90s BBC version, which is utterly terrible. The Netflix version borrows a lot from it though. I would be interested to know if they end the same.

[DDR]

There is an early 90s BBC version, which is utterly terrible.

It's not that bad, it's just really British, slow and dark. It's like A very British coup, great story, very boring way to tell it.

[Lord Testicles]

I liked the old one. The American version is definitely better though.

[Creative Destruction]

I am Kevin Spacey.

i really wish you would publicly advocate for communism. your impressions are good, though.

[Ethics Gradient, Traitor For All Ages]

I don't understand why the bbq guy's son pulled the gun, it didn't make any sense. I get that the writers needed a reason for him to be fucked over and everything but cmon.

[The Feral Underclass]

Stop criticising House of Cards.

[Ethics Gradient, Traitor For All Ages]

Oh those crazy black folks and their guns oh well you know how it is, anyway Claire wants a baby!!!!

I'll watch the entire season in one sitting and feel disgusted with myself.

[The Feral Underclass]

It appears you are still criticising House of Cards.

[BIXX]

Mods

Mods stahp him

[Creative Destruction]

this season blew.

[Vladimir Innit Lenin]

I liked the President Petrov stuff.

Doug Stamper was really under-utilised politically. His personal angle was a bit boring, although the death scene was good.

[The Feral Underclass]

I thought it was brilliant. It was a completely different vibe to the previous two, but great nuance and subtext, great writing. There was greater depth of style too. I think the idea of Frank trying to do good in this megalomaniacal, self-serving way was interesting. The power really goes to his head; the guilt, the consequences of their rise to power was really poignant. The thing they had coveted for so long was their eventual destruction. I loved watching Claire's struggle. The fact is that the power they craved was never going to be what they wanted, it was a reflection of how they achieved it. They had fulfilled their own self-defeating prophecy.

If there isn't going to be another series, I think this was a perfect way for it to end. I hope there is though.

[Vladimir Innit Lenin]

^^Deep.

There's got to be another series, though it would surely to be difficult to keep realism in a plot that involves the first lady literally walking out on the pres.

[Ethics Gradient, Traitor For All Ages]

I finally finished it the other day, it wasn't as good as the first two seasons. The build up to him taking power was much more interesting than him actually wielding power. I found the focus on Doug to be distracting and pretty boring, it's almost like they knew they had written themselves into a corner with the main plot. Hopefully they leave it alone and produce some new instead

[The Feral Underclass]

This "it was boring" view seems to be very popular at the minute and I just don't understand it at all. Why was it boring? What was boring about it? The gradual and painstaking exposition of the true nature of Frank and Claire's destructive relationship? The change in dynamic for us as an audience who were now the ones in the room guarding against everyone else's Machinations? The failure of Frank to live up to himself and his slow realisation of his own limitations? I don't understand how that's "boring"? Doug's plot line was brilliant also. What was it distracting you from exactly? I don't agree that the writers were backed into a corner. The show was considered, well paced and deeply nuanced. Maybe the issue is that you're just really shallow? :p

Also, I like that Vlad gave away a massive spoiler.

[Ethics Gradient, Traitor For All Ages]

I dunno, I just didn't care about Doug. He's their crony, he shouldn't be a central part of the story. The life and motivations of a sociopath 'dirty work' guy just isn't very interesting as I feel it's become something of a trope in a lot of shows recently. I guess the writers expect that I'll identify with him or something? But I didn't, I just wanted him to die, like fucking get on with it already. Actually I had hoped he was dead in the last season only for them dedicate the whole first episode to him in season 3. And if anyone ever takes that long deciding if I'll live or die, I sure as fuck wouldn't be walking down the road they just dropped me off at.

The actual being president thing just didn't live up to how blatantly evil and self obsessed Frank and Claire were in getting to that position in the first place. In the course of making it seem semi-real to life politically, I feel like Frank just wasn't all that evil as a president, in fact he seems just like every real president. And maybe thats an intentional critique on the part of the writers, but it still makes for boring tv.

Just like Lost, as soon as you start figuring things out and characters get fleshed out, you just realize that the writers weren't really as creative as you had hoped they were.

[Creative Destruction]

Claire and Frank's relationship was the least interesting part to me in the last two seasons, along with Doug Stamper's subplot. I was much more interested in the corrupt political maneuvering that Frank went through. There was that maneuvering in season 3, but I felt it was a lot less creative and a lot less exciting. But... I really can't bring myself to give a shit about rifts in personal relationships and that is what the show really became later on in the season.

I'll be sitting out season 4. I'm hoping Kevin Spacey isn't going to make this his main or sole project for the future.

[Ethics Gradient, Traitor For All Ages]

Sacrificing entitlements for a guaranteed employment scheme sounds like something Obama would do. Like all that maneuvering for that? I was expecting him to become a dictator or something.

[Creative Destruction]

Sacrificing entitlements for a guaranteed employment scheme sounds like something Obama would do.

Yeah, but that's about what I would have expected someone like Frank to do. He's more concerned about his public legacy than he is about good policy. He's power hungry, but he's also aware of how he is viewed in that aspect. Otherwise, the entire Zoe subplot wouldn't have made much sense. That was fairly apparent in the first couple of seasons. In a way, though, it serves as a good counter to the ever-good, almost-always-morally-abiding Jed Bartlett in the West Wing.

[Ethics Gradient, Traitor For All Ages]

I agree, it's super realistic...but I could also just turn on talk radio.