Post-Awards Thread for the 2014 Chit Chat Awards

[RedAnarchist]

Discuss the awards results here.:)

[motion denied]

Bono should have won the "least favourite". Unbearable man.

[Futility Personified]

I regret not putting the blogger Another Angry Voice down in some favourable capacity. Probably one of the decent people of the internet of this year.

As an aside... Why should U2 be banned from being played around children?

Because they make you want to stamp on the edge!

[cyu]

Almost half said that they could only speak their own mother tongue fluently.



I speak my second language fluently, but I can't speak my mother tongue fluently - too bad I was too lazy to vote xD

[BIXX]

I am saddened that considered me rude/controversial or whatever :(

[motion denied]

Ur not rude

[Redistribute the Rep]

Who voted for me for most amusing lol?

Eta: Also, I didn't know that it would show everybody's answers, or I would've put more funny stuff down

[BIXX]

Ur not rude
But I try so hard :(

But I mean, I have to be controversial, right?

Right? :(

[Bala Perdida]

What was the point of best noob? Does that only mean new person? I thought it was like bad at Revleft or something.
Also I thought Roza's been here.

[cyu]

The spiteful questions are part of a government conspiracy to sow division and antagonism among online leftists ;)

Those who defend such questions are most likely government agents themselves - as are those who call for a witch-hunt against suspected agents (ironically), since the witch-hunt itself helps sow more division and antagonism xD

[The Feral Underclass]

Some of the most schizophrenic results I've ever seen. I am the rudest, funniest, most annoying, IRL activist with theoretical knowledge Golden Che nominee...Lol.

[Redistribute the Rep]

Ok if you want more people to participate just make one thread there were so many this year it was confusing

[Rosa Partizan]

What was the point of best noob? Does that only mean new person? I thought it was like bad at Revleft or something.
Also I thought Roza's been here.

It can mean new user or dork. Well, whatever, I can identify with both of them :D

[Anglo-Saxon Philistine]

I think the people who responded misunderstood the "non-mod/admin of the year" category as "you're grateful for this person not being a mod/admin the most".

[Lily Briscoe]

But I try so hard :(

But I mean, I have to be controversial, right?

Right? :(You are to TFU as Ravn is to Tim Redd :ohmy:

Anyway, chit chat awards are dead; seems like a lot more effort than it's worth putting it together tbh

[Anglo-Saxon Philistine]

I want a disciple. We can play dress up and frolic under the moonlight.

That's how discipleship works, right?

[Lily Briscoe]

My drunkpost to soberpost ratio disqualifies me from being anyone's internet disciple.

[Rosa Partizan]

Some of the most schizophrenic results I've ever seen. I am the rudest, funniest, most annoying, IRL activist with theoretical knowledge Golden Che nominee...Lol.

Sometimes I love you for your posts and sometimes I hate you, there's really no in-between.

[Bala Perdida]

I enjoyed that my hilarious nominations where mentioned.

[BIXX]

You are to TFU as Ravn is to Tim Redd :ohmy:

Anyway, chit chat awards are dead; seems like a lot more effort than it's worth putting it together tbh
Lol, you'll find that we actually just get along very well. I'm under the impression that when it comes to some pretty big things (communism) we currently disagree, and I'm sure we disagree with almost all of the details.

[motion denied]

I want a disciple. We can play dress up and frolic under the moonlight.

That's how discipleship works, right?

for a time I thought you and KATF agreed a lot and were basically the same

[Kill all the fetuses!]

for a time I thought you and KATF agreed a lot and were basically the same

You people are weird.

[Palmares]

Captain Reactionary and libby-dippy liberalism boyz

I really wish I was stoned when I made this answer, but I was actually sober.

Also... WOOT! I won an award! :lol:

[Quail]

I liked reading the nominations.

Maybe this next year I'll try and be a bit ruder and more obnoxious because I always nominated for things like "nicest" and "most helpful"... got to mix it up a bit :lol:

[Anglo-Saxon Philistine]

for a time I thought you and KATF agreed a lot and were basically the same

You people have the weirdest ideas about me. Not that I'm offended, mind, it's just that me and KATF don't have the same politics. Then again, I know some people think me and Blake's Baby have similar politics. Poor fellow, I hope he hasn't read that post because it would kill him.

Come to think of it, I guess you could call me a disciple of Lev Bronsteinovich.


Maybe this next year I'll try and be a bit ruder and more obnoxious because I always nominated for things like "nicest" and "most helpful"... got to mix it up a bit :lol:

You'll face some stiff competition...

[Redistribute the Rep]

The name Kill All the Fetuses just sounds similar to your sock "Criminalize Heterosexuality" and I think you had your title as something similar in the past. I think you guys even had the exact same avatar at one point for the solidarity with 5yp

We all know how sock happy the trots are so I'd say it's pretty understandable to suspect KATF

[F9]

the one making that one and only nomination of mine wont be brave enough once again this year to come forward and admit it? Come on, say clearly what you think so can respond :wub:

[Lily Briscoe]

I hate guys who make "edgy" abortion jokes. "Kill All The Fetuses", "fetus killer #1" (somebody has this as a 'user title') :rolleyes: Really lame.

[The Feral Underclass]

I hate guys who make "edgy" abortion jokes. "Kill All The Fetuses", "fetus killer #1" (somebody has this as a 'user title') :rolleyes: Really lame.

Why?

[BIXX]

Honestly I think dead baby jokes are bad, but not as bad as 9/11 jokes, those are just plane wrong.

Yes I know I am the paragon of maturity.

[Rosa Partizan]

I'm not particularly pissed off by "kill all the fetuses", but in general I think that revleft edgyness is neither creative nor witty. Just my lousy 2 cents, so go ahead and be edgy because fuck yeah you can do it.

[Kill all the fetuses!]

The name Kill All the Fetuses just sounds similar to your sock "Criminalize Heterosexuality" and I think you had your title as something similar in the past. I think you guys even had the exact same avatar at one point for the solidarity with 5yp

We all know how sock happy the trots are so I'd say it's pretty understandable to suspect KATF

Well, to be fair, the username was a combination of me reading 870's blog post on abortion and at that point being pissed off by various "revolutionaries", who swiftly throw away all the radicalism, even in rhetoric, let alone substance, when the the conversation on late-term abortions begins.

Criminalize heterosexuality was 870's sock-puppet? I mean, what the fuck, do people really have sock-puppets here, like it's allowed or something? Why would you even do that?

[motion denied]

Criminalize heterosexuality was 870's sock-puppet? I mean, what the fuck, do people really have sock-puppets here, like it's allowed or something? Why would you even do that?

Don't you try to act clueless here, Semendyaev.

[Kill all the fetuses!]

Quite frankly, I am being serious and little bit paranoid - why the fuck would people make sock-puppets, if they aren't banned or something?

[Lily Briscoe]

Why?

Because it's not funny/edgy, it's just kind of insensitive. Like, wow you can crack jokes about an issue that is completely inconsequential to you anyway, what a powerful statement!

[The Feral Underclass]

Because it's not funny/edgy, it's just kind of insensitive. Like, wow you can crack jokes about an issue that is completely inconsequential to you anyway, what a powerful statement!

Why do you care so much about fetuses? The more I read your posts, the more right-wing I realise you actually are.

[BIXX]

Lily briscoe is probably just some center liberal who has adopted a socialist aesthetic.

[Lily Briscoe]

Why do you care so much about fetuses? The more I read your posts, the more right-wing I realise you actually are.I don't care about fetuses, I care about women whose lives are effected by restrictions on their reproductive autonomy, and I don't think it is a humorous subject.

[Anglo-Saxon Philistine]

Well, to be fair, the username was a combination of me reading 870's blog post on abortion and at that point being pissed off by various "revolutionaries", who swiftly throw away all the radicalism, even in rhetoric, let alone substance, when the the conversation on late-term abortions begins.

Criminalize heterosexuality was 870's sock-puppet? I mean, what the fuck, do people really have sock-puppets here, like it's allowed or something? Why would you even do that?

That was a long and tedious story, which I'm going to tell you over PM, but probably not tonight because I'm so tired I'm not sure if I'm really writing or if this is just one long and terrible hallucination.

The gist of it was that I asked to be deactivated following a couple of administrative decisions I particularly disagreed with, changed my mind and asked to be reactivated, but the request apparently never reached the staff (I would claim some vast conspiracy but the truth is the forum software has its problems).


Because it's not funny/edgy, it's just kind of insensitive. Like, wow you can crack jokes about an issue that is completely inconsequential to you anyway, what a powerful statement!

I don't think those are jokes - well, not when it comes to KATF, to be honest RW gives off that peculiar passive-aggressive vibe - but a statement that intends to shock and, therefore, cause people to think. I think it's a good counterweight to the sort of pious "oh but every abortion is a tragedy" guff we hear even ("even") on RevLeft.

[Redistribute the Rep]

Lol @ all the men here who are hopelessly confused about abortion

I mean you guys do know we're against abortion restrictions for the sake of women's autonomy... right? Not just because we like killing fetuses. Strix is right, the jokes are made without the woman even occurring to the person making them. The woman should always be the center of the topic

[The Feral Underclass]

If I can't indiscriminately kill foetuses then it's not my revolution.

[Rosa Partizan]

It's kinda weird that all the pro choice women here wouldn't make these jokes, huh? Because for some women, abortion IS a tragedy, a personal one, especially when at some later point life, they seem incapable of becoming pregnant. They're probably still glad they could abort back then. For some women, it's plain relief and nothing else. Any feeling is legitimate and there is no individual feeling that takes away from the necessity of the woman being able to choose. So if at all, women should be joking about it. You're supposed to support our choice concerning that matter and otherwise shut the fuck up.

[Redistribute the Rep]

I don't think those are jokes - well, not when it comes to KATF, to be honest RW gives off that peculiar passive-aggressive vibe - but a statement that intends to shock and, therefore, cause people to think. I think it's a good counterweight to the sort of pious "oh but every abortion is a tragedy" guff we hear even ("even") on RevLeft.

Look, that was fine for the criminalize heterosexuality thing because they're not oppressed. I don't think the same can be said for the killing fetuses thing, there's people in this very thread who called Strix a right winger and assumed she was a pro lifer because she took issue with a joke about indiscriminate killing of fetuses. In my life experience there's no shortage of men who are against abortion restrictions but care little about the woman carrying the fetus, a lot of them just want the consequence free sex (women being forced or pressured into abortion is not uncommon). I can't say a pro abortion username like "kill all the fetuses" will make people think about women's reproductive rights. Because to a lot of people abortion isn't about the women

[The Feral Underclass]

I am amazed at how consistently Redistribute the Rep just inflates what people say to benefit her arguments.

[consuming negativity]

>this thread

http://i.imgur.com/Awp0c.gif

[Rosa Partizan]

are we really going to turn the chit chat post-awards thread into an abortion debate?

well, okay then. :popcorn:

don't tell women what to do!!! :mad:


:lol:

[The Feral Underclass]

are we really going to turn the chit chat post-awards thread into an abortion debate?

well, okay then. :popcorn:

I think we all agree on the abortion issue, just not on whether making jokes about killing foetuses is appropriate.

[Redistribute the Rep]

I am amazed at how consistently Redistribute the Rep just inflates what people say to benefit her arguments.

I am amazed at how consistently TFUs posts remind me why he's on my ignore list.

[Redistribute the Rep]

don't tell women what to do!!! :mad:


:lol:

He backtracked and edited it out of his post to cover his ass :)

[Rosa Partizan]

He backtracked and edited it out of his post to cover his ass :)

My ava is pretty terrifying, right? Good for him!

[Anglo-Saxon Philistine]

Look, that was fine for the criminalize heterosexuality thing because they're not oppressed. I don't think the same can be said for the killing fetuses thing, there's people in this very thread who called Strix a right winger and assumed she was a pro lifer because she took issue with a joke about indiscriminate killing of fetuses. In my life experience there's no shortage of men who are against abortion restrictions but care little about the woman carrying the fetus, a lot of them just want the consequence free sex (women being forced or pressured into abortion is not uncommon). I can't say a pro abortion username like "kill all the fetuses" will make people think about women's reproductive rights. Because to a lot of people abortion isn't about the women

Context is important here. Sure, there are fedora-wearing creatures who mix misogyny with nominal support for abortion rights (most men who would pressure their girlfriends into getting an abortion oppose abortion rights, of course). Generally speaking, however, we don't get these here. We get people who try to make abortion out to be some kind of necessary evil (in order to moot the idea of regulating and restricting abortion), as opposed to something that is strictly speaking neutral - which can be tragic for the woman (Rosa, I never said individual women don't find their abortions tragic, but obviously not all do and even a part of those who do would probably feel differently in a different society) but also life-affirming depending on the situation.

As such, the focus is already on the fetus. This sort of Verfremdungseffekt slogan is supposed to (at least when I say something similar, I can't speak for KATF) make people reconsider valuing the fetus, caring about it etc. We're saying it's irrelevant.

[Redistribute the Rep]

We're saying it's irrelevant.

The fetus already is irrelevant to a lot of people who say they care about them. They just care fuck all about women. I don't see how a message that includes no reference to the woman whatsoever would make them think about this. Making a line about killing all the fetuses necessarily excludes consideration of womens autonomy and doesn't do anything to bring it to the attention of people who haven't thought about it before.

If the intention is to make people care less about the fetus then it doesn't address the root cause of the problem, which is the disregard of women

[Bala Perdida]

I'm doubt the edgy-ness of abortion jokes, they just sound so fucking dry and plain text. Not even on a sensitivity scale, just as an overall humorous scale. Got as much edge as basketball.

[DOOM]

Quite frankly, I am being serious and little bit paranoid - why the fuck would people make sock-puppets, if they aren't banned or something?

for the lelz, maybe?
To be frank Rosa is my sock-puppet.

[Redistribute the Rep]

Quite frankly, I am being serious and little bit paranoid - why the fuck would people make sock-puppets, if they aren't banned or something?

There's a rumor going around that basically all the trots other than 9mm are operated by the same person. Why the trots do shit like this, well... Your guess is as good as mine

[Lily Briscoe]

I don't think those are jokes - well, not when it comes to KATF, to be honest RW gives off that peculiar passive-aggressive vibe - but a statement that intends to shock and, therefore, cause people to think. I think it's a good counterweight to the sort of pious "oh but every abortion is a tragedy" guff we hear even ("even") on RevLeft.
This is kind of dumb tbf. Do you actually know what the intention is behind the username or are you speculating? It could just as easily be someone who has reservations about abortion at any point during pregnancy and who thinks revleft's policy on abortion debates is too restrictive trying to make a statement parodying people here (this was actually always my assumption about the motivation behind the username).

Regardless, when the intention is as ambiguous as it is, the idea that it's going to 'shock' people into supporting abortion rights is ridiculous. Kinda prefer the 'I like being edgy and I don't care for your feelings' approach over the silly attempt at a political justification.

[Lily Briscoe]

Anyway, didn't mean to derail the thread over this; it has just always irked me and I saw an opportunity to vent lol

[Art Vandelay]

There's a rumor going around that basically all the trots other than 9mm are operated by the same person. Why the trots do shit like this, well... Your guess is as good as mine

Hah I hadn't heard that before. Anyways I've met a couple trots/quasi-trots from the site, there not all the same person.

[Redistribute the Rep]

Hah I hadn't heard that before. Anyways I've met a couple trots/quasi-trots from the site, there not all the same person.

The rumors were sparked by the banning of Lucretia/five year plan/sandy becker's 10th or so sock, and also the knowledge of 870s criminalize heterosexuality sock

[Art Vandelay]

The rumors were sparked by the banning of Lucretia/five year plan/sandy becker's 10th or so sock, and also the knowledge of 870s criminalize heterosexuality sock

I suppose there have been a few of us with sock puppets - at various times and for various reasons - but I'm not sure why anyone would jump to the conclusion most of the trots are one individual.

[The Feral Underclass]

I am amazed at how consistently TFUs posts remind me why he's on my ignore list.


She says replying to my post. The point of the ignore list is to actually ignore.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

[Quail]

Hah I hadn't heard that before. Anyways I've met a couple trots/quasi-trots from the site, there not all the same person.

But did you see them in the same room at the same time?

[consuming negativity]

He backtracked and edited it out of his post to cover his ass :)
it looked really stupid without an actual http://68.178.167.89/smf/Smileys/default/popcorn.gif where the


:popcorn:was, but I couldn't be bothered to go grab one at the time.

[cyu]

All I have to say is:

Mandatory Vasectomies

[cyu]

...I just realized that I would like to see this thread nominated for Shitstorm of 2015.

[Anglo-Saxon Philistine]

The fetus already is irrelevant to a lot of people who say they care about them. They just care fuck all about women. I don't see how a message that includes no reference to the woman whatsoever would make them think about this. Making a line about killing all the fetuses necessarily excludes consideration of womens autonomy and doesn't do anything to bring it to the attention of people who haven't thought about it before.

If the intention is to make people care less about the fetus then it doesn't address the root cause of the problem, which is the disregard of women

Of course no one but the most beautiful souls actually cares about fetuses. The thing is, though, they certainly put on a show about caring. They are the ones who focus on the fetus in the first place; it's important, I think, to note how utterly inconsequential fetuses are.

Now, as you might recall, some months ago we had a user on the site, a real deep green Jensen type, who seemed to post long rants about how his beloved nature (I don't have anything against nature, in fact I consume large swathes of it daily; what I do seriously dislike is the sort of ridiculous misanthropic deep ecology that is popular among the radical-but-not-enough-to-do-anything crowd) was being treated badly. In one particularly laugh-worthy rant he proclaimed his desire to live in a world where the salmon population is larger every year (which apparently meant humans should forego technology). Now, I don't think Mr. Macho Ecologist really cared about salmon, that he couldn't sleep for nights because he saw someone eating a salmon with dill. The entire thing was a cover for a reactionary romanticism of the "primitive". Nonetheless, if someone at that point said "fuck salmon, kill every salmon and cook them with cream and tagliatelle", I don't think that would be a bad thing to say. Even though, as I said, the problem is not with salmon, and presumably most members of society would like some salmon to remain, if only in order to eat with cream and tagliatelle tomorrow.

(Of course the analogy is imperfect, but most analogies are.)

And again, the context needs to be taken into account. It doesn't really happen today, presumably because there is a dearth of topics about abortion, but back in the day we used to have a big crysturbation about the poor, poor fetuses every week or so. NGNM85 was a major offender; I am; surprised; that; no; one; has found out; where; he lives and; throttled him; for his abuse of the semicolon if nothing else. Saying "fuck fetuses, kill every fetus", in this context is not, I think, bad. In fact it has that sort of in-your-face, morally offensive quality that might prompt someone to think about these matters outside the usual "ooh abortion is a terrible tragedy but an abortion ban would be worse, which is why abortion needs to be regulated" liberal platitudes.

Of course, in another context, i.e. someone defending forced abortions in China, the situation would be completely different! But actually, no one does that here.

And it would be stupid to treat that as an "analysis". But in fact, no one does that. People have and do point out the overriding need for women's autonomy, the connection to the mode of reproduction of labour in capitalism etc. A few months ago, as you recall, most of us roundly denounced people who tried to insinuate that drinking while pregnant should be punished. I generally think the theoretical level of RevLeft is abysmal, but I think that a lot of people do take body autonomy seriously.


This is kind of dumb tbf. Do you actually know what the intention is behind the username or are you speculating? It could just as easily be someone who has reservations about abortion at any point during pregnancy and who thinks revleft's policy on abortion debates is too restrictive trying to make a statement parodying people here (this was actually always my assumption about the motivation behind the username).

Regardless, when the intention is as ambiguous as it is, the idea that it's going to 'shock' people into supporting abortion rights is ridiculous. Kinda prefer the 'I like being edgy and I don't care for your feelings' approach over the silly attempt at a political justification.

I think there is middle ground between me miraculously being able to read KATF's mind, and groundless speculation. Whatever the weirdoes on RevLeft think, I'm not KATF. I have talked to him on several occasions, and I am reasonably certain that they have no reservations when it comes to abortion. I have no idea when it comes to RedWorker, which is why I haven't mentioned them.

I don't think any of the statements that people have brought up are "edgy", not in the usual sense. I do think statements can cause people to think about things by shocking them. How else would you describe slogans like calling for "new Vietnams", in the immediate followup to the Vietnam war? It would be easy to deride the slogan as edgy, but it put the socialist opposition to imperialism and the puppets of imperialism in a short form, that would have shocked the students and workers in the period, but it did attract some of them. (It was not an ICL slogan, by the way, but a USEC one; there was little behind the slogan but that's for another thread).

(Also, since we're talking about people's usernames and so on, before anyone gets weird ideas, my user title is a reference to the song Odoru, Aka-chan Ningen.)

[Redistribute the Rep]

I don't really care if it's meant to shock or whatever the intent was; people found it in bad taste and politely asked it to stop (Strix even used a fucking smiley emoji, fuck). Anyway, like I said, if someone is pro life they care fuck all about the woman, even if you convince them that fetuses don't matter with weird fetus killing lines, that won't change their views towards women.

Even if we were to assume that these shock titles were effective or had benign intent, I still don't even think they would be appropriate. Men just aren't in the place to say these kinds of things that completely leave out the woman, even if they don't mean it seriously. You say context matters, well this is the context: women live in a world where their bodily autonomy isn't taken into consideration in many instances. By the way, forced abortions and the mentality behind them is most certainly not limited to China. Obviously, the men on this forum don't support this, but as men I think it's easier for them to forget about it.

This isn't really at all analogous to the salmon thing given this context...

[Redistribute the Rep]

I think there is middle ground between me miraculously being able to read KATF's mind, and groundless speculation. Whatever the weirdoes on RevLeft think, I'm not KATF.

He apparently knows KATFs intent behind the username and he instinctlvely denied being KATF when the user he was addressing didn't even bring it up. Furthermore, he uses the same vocabulary as KATF, calling us all "weird" on multiple occasions, KATF has said the same thing at least twice.


Seriously, has anybody IPed them yet?

[Lily Briscoe]

Nah, he's not KATF. You're being a little paranoid lol.

[Redistribute the Rep]

I think this was my favorite post of the year:

http://www.revleft.com/vb/showpost.php?p=2759373&postcount=6

[Anglo-Saxon Philistine]

I don't really care if it's meant to shock or whatever the intent was; people found it in bad taste and politely asked it to stop (Strix even used a fucking smiley emoji, fuck). Anyway, like I said, if someone is pro life they care fuck all about the woman, even if you convince them that fetuses don't matter with weird fetus killing lines, that won't change their views towards women.

Even if we were to assume that these shock titles were effective or had benign intent, I still don't even think they would be appropriate. Men just aren't in the place to say these kinds of things that completely leave out the woman, even if they don't mean it seriously. You say context matters, well this is the context: women live in a world where their bodily autonomy isn't taken into consideration in many instances. By the way, forced abortions and the mentality behind them is most certainly not limited to China. Obviously, the men on this forum don't support this, but as men I think it's easier for them to forget about it.

This isn't really at all analogous to the salmon thing given this context...

Again, you're making this out to be some sort of complete political programme, instead of a response to the people who try to argue for restrictions on abortion or shame women who choose an abortion. All of us have argued for the bodily autonomy of women, most recently in the Fetal Alcohol Syndrome thread, and would do so again.

Strix and I disagree on this. I think reasonable people can disagree without either party being irrational etc.


He apparently knows KATFs intent behind the username and he instinctlvely denied being KATF when the user he was addressing didn't even bring it up. Furthermore, he uses the same vocabulary as KATF, calling us all "weird" on multiple occasions, KATF has said the same thing at least twice.


Seriously, has anybody IPed them yet?

Also both of us are bipedal and use oxygen in our metabolism. Coincidence? I don't think so!

See, things like this are why I call (many of the) people on RevLeft weird. That, and the obsession with Stormfront, the Internet-only tendencies and so on.

[Redistribute the Rep]

Do you even read my posts, 870? Serious question.

[Rafiq]

Internet only tendencies secondary only to present real-life tendencies, whose superiority is presumed to the standard of internet tendencies, as though they are any less ridiculous.

[F9]

next awards... someone start the abortion discussion BEFORE the results get out to get more people sending their answers!problem solved!