Anti and Post Civ Writing

[Brosa Luxemburg]

I'm in the middle of Against His Story Against Leviathan. I've read some stuff by Wolfi Landstreicher (who I think does a fantastic job critiquing primmie thinking), neo-luddite writings, and Cammatte. If any of you familiar with this thinking could recommend me some authors or pieces to check out that would be fantastic. I'm particularly interested in post-civ writing, not necessarily primitivist (though not opposed to it either). Again, i'm interested and will look at anything really, but if someone has a good recommendation specifically on tech. they should def. post it.

[Palmares]

The anarchist library is always good:

http://theanarchistlibrary.org/topics/anti-civilization

http://theanarchistlibrary.org/topics/post-civ

[BIXX]

I'm in the middle of Against His Story Against Leviathan. I've read some stuff by Wolfi Landstreicher (who I think does a fantastic job critiquing primmie thinking), neo-luddite writings, and Cammatte. If any of you familiar with this thinking could recommend me some authors or pieces to check out that would be fantastic. I'm particularly interested in post-civ writing, not necessarily primitivist (though not opposed to it either). Again, i'm interested and will look at anything really, but if someone has a good recommendation specifically on tech. they should def. post it.
i believe if you wanna talk about tech then the luddites and primmos are the best way to go (i know primmos are restricted here but despite my disagreements with them they have some interesting stuff to say)

[BIXX]

a lot of anti-civ ideas are based in egoist/individualist thought too so some of that might be worth looking into.

[Aurorus Ruber]

What is the difference between anti-civ and post-civ?

[BIXX]

What is the difference between anti-civ and post-civ?
There is very little, and most if the time they are interchangeable. The only things I've heard separating the two was that the anti-civ folks don't necessarily believe we can get away from civilization, while the post-civ ones believe we can. But that's the only thing I've heard separating the two.

[Sasha]

Anti-civ is antagonistic towards modern civilisation, it moves against civilisation and hopes to bring it down through action, post-civ prepares for what comes after the (unavoidable) collapse of modern capitalist civalisation.
But there is obviously overlap.

[Palmares]

Hence why you hear some post-civ folk talk more about permaculture or similar. Some anti-civ folk either don't think there's no point talking about the future, or reject permaculture (or similar) entirely. But then of course, some embrace it (like me! - I have a [incomplete!] diploma in permaculture :thumbup1: ).

To me though, the difference is very small. With people who identify as either being at times impossible to distinguish.

[Creative Destruction]

Anti-civ is antagonistic towards modern civilisation, it moves against civilisation and hopes to bring it down through action, post-civ prepares for what comes after the (unavoidable) collapse of modern capitalist civalisation.
But there is obviously overlap.

If that's post-civ, then Bookchin's Post-Scarcity Anarchism is really good.

[Sasha]

To make a very charged statement, most anti-civ stuff is close to modern insurectionary anarchism while most stuff that calls it selfs explicitly post-civ is more close to communization theory/tiqqun.

[Palmares]

That's an interesting assertion. I'd agree fundamentally with the first, but am unsure about the validity of the second. Perhaps you could go into that more?

[Sasha]

I woulds say that a place like the Tarnaq commune started by the Tiqqunista's is a clear example of what many post civ writers would see as an blue print for a post collapse society. Like you self say, its only a small step from post-civ theory towards perma culture and from there to communization.
While the anti-TGV actions the Tarnaq people where accused off would be more in line with insurectionary theory and actually a bit at odds whit Tiqquns leaning towards mass anarchism (even while including a distinct insurectionary aspect)

[Sasha]

but i'm drunk and need to go to bed so i'm not sure that makes as much sense as i meant it, i'll revisit this thread when i sobbered up.
a belated happy new year mofo's