Assalamu Alaikum

[Oksanr]

Hello friends. I'm a Marxist-Leninist and a Muslim. I'm mostly going to lurk.

[Q]

Welcome :)

If you have political questions, you can ask them in the Learning forum. That's why it's there after all!

If you have questions about your account, don't hesitate to send me a PM or ask here.

What attracts you to 'Marxism-Leninism'?

[Oksanr]

A tolerance for conservative outlooks as well as a pragmatic political outlook. Many people mistake us because of this and doubt our commitment to Marxism. In my experience M-L's have been the most solid, educated, and consistent Marxists I've ever met.

No disrespect to ultra-left communists of course, I just think they are unpractical and unpredictable.

Thank you for the kind welcome.

[Tim Cornelis]

Isn't this 'tolerance for conservative outlooks' already an indicator that indeed Stalinists are not fully committed to Marxism? Apparently it's possible to preserve the values to which bourgeois society gives rise into communism -- a rejection of historical materialism.

Also, what are these conservative outlooks? I'm really fearing you're thinking of the KPRF and persecution of homosexuality and such.

[Oksanr]

Bourgeoisie values are they themselves an elegant weapon from a more "civilized" age. Our own post-capitalist society will not be as radical as many of you believe. Much like the Jacobins were brought low by history in favor of the Hamiltonians, so will socialism seem to be advancing at a snail's pace (if it is to be stable and able to overcome restoration).

Communism will come eventually but when it does it will be a conservative notion itself.

[Danielle Ni Dhighe]

The goal of communists should be to abolish the material conditions behind conservative outlooks, not to tolerate them. That said, welcome to RevLeft.

[Rafiq]

Bourgeoisie values are they themselves an elegant weapon from a more "civilized" age. Our own post-capitalist society will not be as radical as many of you believe. Much like the Jacobins were brought low by history in favor of the Hamiltonians, so will socialism seem to be advancing at a snail's pace (if it is to be stable and able to overcome restoration).

Communism will come eventually but when it does it will be a conservative notion itself.

This school of Socialism dissected with great acuteness the contradictions in the conditions of modern production. It laid bare the hypocritical apologies of economists. It proved, incontrovertibly, the disastrous effects of machinery and division of labour; the concentration of capital and land in a few hands; overproduction and crises; it pointed out the inevitable ruin of the petty bourgeois and peasant, the misery of the proletariat, the anarchy in production, the crying inequalities in the distribution of wealth, the industrial war of extermination between nations, the dissolution of old moral bonds, of the old family relations, of the old nationalities.

In its positive aims, however, this form of Socialism aspires either to restoring the old means of production and of exchange, and with them the old property relations, and the old society, or to cramping the modern means of production and of exchange within the framework of the old property relations that have been, and were bound to be, exploded by those means. In either case, it is both reactionary and Utopian.

Its last words are: corporate guilds for manufacture; patriarchal relations in agriculture.
(Chapter III of the Communist Manifesto, on Petty Bourgeois Socialism)

You're a reactionary who has an affinity with the fact that 20th century Communism in today's context is "conservative" (i.e. reactionary). Splendid! You are exemplary of much of what I have been writing about - only you are honest about it. Might you have a word with some of our resident Trotskyists? I am sure they will find you most familiar.

[Redistribute the Rep]

Lol.

[Futility Personified]

Rafiq wins communism.

[teflsecretagent]

Wallayikum as salamu comrade