"The Drug Revolution That No One Can Stop"

[Sasha]

long but very interesting read on the development of modern synthetic drugs and the total, and dangerous, failure of the drugwar against them; https://medium.com/matter/the-drug-revolution-that-no-one-can-stop-19f753fb15e0

[The Disillusionist]

People are killing themselves with chemically processed trash because the more "natural" drugs have been outlawed... I wouldn't call this a total victory.

[Sasha]

yes, obviously morning glory is way saver than MDMA.

[The Disillusionist]

yes, obviously morning glory is way saver than MDMA.

I would say that any kind of chemically processed drug that you have to buy from someone else is a good way to get yourself killed as a result of someone else's stupidity.

I wouldn't say though that in the case of Morning Glory and MDMA, one is any healthier than the other.... Neither of them are all that great for your brain or liver, with regular use.

[Ethics Gradient, Traitor For All Ages]

People are killing themselves by eating food cooked by other people as well. You should like only eat food you've prepared yourself man ~totally natural~

[VCrakeV]

Stick to the green plant, man... But seriously, when it comes to drugs, synthetic stuff is something you have to worry about, especially if you didn't make it yourself. Even if you bought weed from someone, you have to be careful; there could be more dangerous drugs laced in it. The reason for this is addiction. I don't think we have to worry about chefs trying to get us hooked on their food.

... Okay, just one more cookie...

[The Disillusionist]

People are killing themselves by eating food cooked by other people as well. You should like only eat food you've prepared yourself man ~totally natural~

Eating a burger with a small chance of e. Coli contamination is vastly different from taking a substance that could contain almost any chemical known to man. It's the difference between using a phone in a lightning storm and pissing on a high voltage fence.

[Ethics Gradient, Traitor For All Ages]

Someone recently killed two dudes near me with heroin that was laced with rat poison or something cause he had some ongoing disagreement with one of them. The other dude had nothing to do with it and was just really unlucky. Shit happens. Unless you do everything yourself, you're always rolling the dice. Who replaced the brakes on your car? Were they qualified? How about the brakes on the car coming the other direction? And yeah sure who grew your weed? I just thought it was a dumb thing to point out

[Os Cangaceiros]

There have been some really good synthetic and partial synthetic drugs. MDMA and LSD being two that immediately come to mind.

[Sasha]

I don't think we have to worry about chefs trying to get us hooked on their food.

pretty sure McDonalds and a whole lot of other food producers tailor make their food to be as addictive as possible.

like with fastfood vs good food the solution to drugs shouldnt be banning the one for the poor while the rich get to enjoy the good stuff but making the good stuff available to everyone, everyone got to eat after all.

[consuming negativity]

I would say that any kind of chemically processed drug that you have to buy from someone else is a good way to get yourself killed as a result of someone else's stupidity.

I wouldn't say though that in the case of Morning Glory and MDMA, one is any healthier than the other.... Neither of them are all that great for your brain or liver, with regular use.

even weed could be considered "chemically processed" if they used fertilizer on it (they did); the "chemical" bit is just a buzz word indicating that anything following it will likely fall under the umbrella of the naturalistic fallacy. fuck morning glory seeds and MDMA, grab yourself some datura. i mean really, what you're saying is basically "using a drug that you buy from someone else is a good way to get yourself killed as a result of someone else's stupidity". which, i mean, isn't wrong, but it's not really right and isn't even really trying to say what you want to say which is that using untested research chemicals is dangerous because they could have serious side effects that we don't know about.

[The Disillusionist]

even weed could be considered "chemically processed" if they used fertilizer on it (they did); the "chemical" bit is just a buzz word indicating that anything following it will likely fall under the umbrella of the naturalistic fallacy. fuck morning glory seeds and MDMA, grab yourself some datura. i mean really, what you're saying is basically "using a drug that you buy from someone else is a good way to get yourself killed as a result of someone else's stupidity". which, i mean, isn't wrong, but it's not really right and isn't even really trying to say what you want to say which is that using untested research chemicals is dangerous because they could have serious side effects that we don't know about.

Yeah, chemicals can have dangerous side effects to watch out for. However, I'm also talking about, for example, the difference between coca leaves and cocaine. Coca leaves are rather harmless, but when processing cocaine, they use so many toxic chemicals, it's a wonder it doesn't kill everyone who uses it.

[Sasha]

yet the drugs in the article in the OP are made in laboratory conditions, cocaine (and heroin) as a chemical compound are relatively save, as with the research chemicals the main danger is in impurities and not knowing how strong to dose it.
you are going on this "chemical equals bad for you" trip (pun intended) that shows you are just a babbling clueless idiot on the subject.

[The Disillusionist]

yet the drugs in the article in the OP are made in laboratory conditions, cocaine (and heroin) as a chemical compound are relatively save, as with the research chemicals the main danger is in impurities and not knowing how strong to dose it.
you are going on this "chemical equals bad for you" trip (pun intended) that shows you are just a babbling clueless idiot on the subject.

I'm no chemist, but gasoline and sulfuric acid (both commonly used in the cocaine production process) both seem like they are probably harmful when ingested...

[Os Cangaceiros]

But only a small percentage of people have died as a result of cocaine use compared to the population of people who've tried it, so obviously it shouldn't be THAT surprising...

I don't really see the creation of a drug like cocaine as something odd, really. It's just the result of people taking something like the coca alkaloid and saying, "hmm, this is pretty good, but how can we MAKE IT EVEN BETTER?" Even the indigenous people of South America used to do this, although of course they didn't have the organic chem knowledge which would later be used in drug synthesis. But they did use cave chalk to alter the pH levels in their mouths before inserting a giant plug o' coca leaf, in order to more efficiently extract the coca alkaloid and get a better high.

But yes, it really depends on the kind of conditions the chemical is made in as well as the person who takes the chemical. Alexander Shulgin spent a large part of his life putting various experimental chemicals through his circuitry, but he was an experienced chemist. As the article said, a lot of the "grey market" retail operations operate out of China and probably do legitimate chemical synthesis, with some shady operations on the side...although when snorting a crystalline powder up one's nose, I'm not sure how reassuring it is to think "it's OK, this came from a lab in China"

[Sasha]

As someone who as a first aid transponder on housepartys seen the shift from pharmaceutical grade MDMA being available to dangerous homebrew crap like GHB and untested research PMMA contimenated stuff you dont need to explain to me the dangers of the ilegal drugmarket, the problem though isn't the chemical production an sich, its the illegal production with the base products being banned.