DOTP Production Increase

[Servia]

How does the DOTP increase production in the needed areas, so we can reach a point of free access?

[Creative Destruction]

that's not the task of the dotp, so it wouldn't.

[Servia]

When (and how) does is it suppose to happen? and what happens during DOTP?

[Creative Destruction]

Asking "how" that is going to happening is treading too much into blueprint territory. It's one thing to have a vision of how things might turn out, and basing that vision on negating capitalism, but it's another to mechanically put together how every little thing will turn out. How it will happen is based on the momentum of society and the drive to complete automation, and outstrip demand, toward a society of actual free access.

What happens during the DOTP is the working class taking over the means of production and gearing it toward need, rather than profit, as well as protecting those gains from being destroyed by the bourgeoisie.

[Creative Destruction]

I don't want to dissuade you from asking questions -- far from it -- but I am wondering: what of Marx have you read so far? The answers to many of the questions you've posted are within what Marx wrote and thought about.

[Servia]

I've read the Communist Manifesto and part of Critique of the Gotha Programme.

I plan to read volume I of Capital when I go on break.

[Creative Destruction]

In the latter part of the Critique of the Gotha Program, Marx expounds more on the dictatorship of the proletariat. I'd recommend watching what comes from this Marxistpedia project that Tim Cornelis (who is a RevLeft member) started:

http://marxistpedia.mwzip.com/

Also look out for posts by Tim Cornelis and Blake's Baby. As far as I'm aware, the two of them have about the strongest grasps on Marxism as anyone else on this forum. You could use the search function for the forums and look for threads about the dictatorship of the proletariat, and I'm sure either of them would have posted in them.

[ckaihatsu]

Just posted the following to another thread today:





[A] fairly recent post had mentioned the dotp and its control of the wages economy in the transitional period. I recalled at a later point this whole 'unconditional basic income' thing -- wouldn't this be all that's required, as a radical reformist / revolutionary step, to insure the provision of humane goods and services as the core functioning of the dotp economy -- ? (Or would there really have to be more of a scrutinizing, hands-on administrative component, as is conventionally conceived -- ?)


Basically this is saying that instead of the current, capital-driven, "supply"-side impetus to economic activity, simply flooding everyone with sufficient monetary resources for purchasing the basics of life would be a *demand*-sided approach, with supply -- labor, especially -- moving to get a slice of that large pool of subsidized demand. (As things are now many taxpayer-subsidized industries like war spending and finance create artificial pools of capital for privileged salaried positions.)

The argument that I'm inching towards is that this overturning of what gets subsidized *might* be sufficient, in and of itself, to either *be* or *supplant* the conventional conception of the dictatorship of the proletariat, since a demand-driven economy would arguably not be dependent on any centralized command functioning -- the source of much political reservation and consternation around the whole dotp principle / proposal.

Once the market-type economy has definitively shifted to serving demand-sided social need, this empirical reality would very much resemble socialism, anyway, since the corollary is that *workers* would be serving social need -- the final step would be for workers to assume full control of their working conditions, since their basic needs would already be fulfilled on an ongoing basis, and then for them to socialize all production away from any vestigal capital-based, market-type functioning.

[Redistribute the Rep]

Lenins The State and Revolution might help
you:

https://www.marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/1917/staterev/

[Red Star Rising]

How does the DOTP increase production in the needed areas, so we can reach a point of free access?

I imagine, the collectively planned labour results in greater direction which helps to make sure that production is kept as high as it needs to be and the socialistaion of labour would improve general work ethic. Other than that the DOTP doesn't really concern itself with increasing production, people will produce what needs to be produced and it would all be carefully planed, we need not concern ourselves with pumping out stuff that is only going to end up in a warehouse waiting to be sold.

[Blake's Baby]

First and foremost, I think the revolutionary dictatorship is going to be about keeping people alive while the world civil war is going on.

But, assuming that that isn't the whole story, it revolutionises what could be termd 'the economy' by directing 'excess' labour capacity into areas that need it - primarily, through re-integrating the unemployed and the massive number of people engaged in pointless labour (the entire financial sector for instance) into doing things that actually matter; and, once the war is over, by preventing the waste of social wealth on the rubbish of capitalism (such as government bureaucracy, competition etc) and putting that liberated time and energy into producing for people's needs.