RevLeft $140

[RedWorker]

I honestly don't understand how this site takes $140 a month to run, especially given how often it is down (sporadically, in excessively long periods of time for such expensive hosting). Hell, it'd probably run in free hosting. I mean this as a constructive suggestion. Seeing as money's short, couldn't this be moved to some cheaper place? A whooping $1.5k a year for a site with 4000 active users seems grossly disproportionate.

Also, it seems that the donations page randomly, for periods of times, says "RevLeft does not have any paid subscriptions available to which you can subscribe" instead of actually showing the donations page. Not that I was planning to donate, in honesty, but this is probably holding some people back. It's happened the majority of the times I've checked it over the past few months, with it actually showing the page up properly maybe a couple of times.

[Ethics Gradient, Traitor For All Ages]

seems fine as it is, honestly the downtimes are nice because they kill off threads that have outlived their usefulness and have just boiled down to two people lobbing paragraphs at each other.

[The Feral Underclass]

I wish the board software would get updated, this version is totally out of date, but other than that it's worth the money.

[consuming negativity]

I honestly don't understand how this site takes $140 a month to run, especially given how often it is down (sporadically, in excessively long periods of time for such expensive hosting). Hell, it'd probably run in free hosting. I mean this as a constructive suggestion. Seeing as money's short, couldn't this be moved to some cheaper place? A whooping $1.5k a year for a site with 4000 active users seems grossly disproportionate.

Also, it seems that the donations page randomly, for periods of times, says "RevLeft does not have any paid subscriptions available to which you can subscribe" instead of actually showing the donations page. Not that I was planning to donate, in honesty, but this is probably holding some people back. It's happened the majority of the times I've checked it over the past few months, with it actually showing the page up properly maybe a couple of times.

i was planning to donate $2.50 earlier but i got sent to that page and was like "well okay"

i think that it does that when the money is actually paid. that is, i think we've been told before that the ticker or w/e is not always accurate as to what is needed for the site.

which is kinda dumb but

dude you should look at the stormfront server costs, they get like (iirc) over $1k a month to run that fucking cesspool

revleft is cheap as shit by comparison

[The Feral Underclass]

i was planning to donate $2.50 earlier but i got sent to that page and was like "well okay"

This morning it was at $135 and I subscribed the last remaining $5, but now it says there is a $10 deficit, yet you can't seem to subscribe. Either the $10 deficit is a lie and it just hasn't updated properly that's why you can't subscribe because it's covered, or there is some glitch with the subscription page.

[RedWorker]

If people are not allowed to subscribe when enough is being paid (whether this is a technical flaw or intentional), then shortages will always come as soon as one of the subscribers stops paying. This may be why RevLeft hasn't become' financially stabilized' yet.

[The Feral Underclass]

If people are not allowed to subscribe when enough is being paid (whether this is a technical flaw or intentional), then shortages will always come as soon as one of the subscribers stops paying. This may be why RevLeft hasn't become' financially stabilized' yet.

Why would people ever pay more than what was needed at any given time?

[RedWorker]

Why would people ever pay more than what was needed at any given time?

To fund it for its future expenses and so that it doesn't go into shortage again. RevLeft has been constantly going into shortage, it seems, though it has had enough subscribers at times.

[The Feral Underclass]

To fund it for its future expenses and so that it doesn't go into shortage again. RevLeft has been constantly going into shortage, it seems, though it has had enough subscribers at times.

Well as far as I can see it says that we are $10 short.

I'm not sure I think it's appropriate for people to be donating more money that is needed at any given time, but I guess that's a decision for individuals to make.

[Edelweiss]

I honestly don't understand how this site takes $140 a month to run, especially given how often it is down (sporadically, in excessively long periods of time for such expensive hosting). Hell, it'd probably run in free hosting. I mean this as a constructive suggestion. Seeing as money's short, couldn't this be moved to some cheaper place? A whooping $1.5k a year for a site with 4000 active users seems grossly disproportionate.


Really, do you have any idea what you are talking about, smart ass? RevLeft's database is almost 5.5 GB large, we always have hundreds, often thousandths of simultaneous users online and more than 500 Gigs of traffic every month. Good luck finding a "fee hosting" provider for that! Ask everyone with a clue of forum software and web hosting, and they will tell you that a powerful dedicated server or VPS is needed to handle a forum of the size of RevLeft. In case anybody cares, and to be transparent: Currently RevLeft is running on a Linux VPS at myhosting.com with 8 GB RAM, 160 GB disk, 16 vCPUs and 60 GB of backup space. And believe me, Revleft woudln't run that smoothly if we wouldn't have that top notch configuration. Especially the large amount of RAM is important.

The downtimes weren't caused by the bad quality of the hosting provider but simply because the server was running out of disk space. This was my fault and I apologize for it, with the new setup it shouldn't occur again.

Also the problem with the non-available subscriptions should be solved now. Subscriptions are now possible at any time.

There is unfortunately a glitch with the calculation of the active subscriptions, sometimes subscriptions are counted twice and therefore the displayed amount is too high. I'm working on it.

Board software upgrade (vb4) coming soon...

[RedWorker]

So Googling around I find dedicated servers with Intel Xeon CPU, 16GB RAM, 4TB HDD, more than 10 IPs, over 200Mbps bandwidth, over 100GB backup space, unmetered traffic, and DDoS protection for about $40 every month. Am I missing something here? Maybe I am, after all I know very little about the specifics of this. I'm not trying to be a 'smart ass'.

[Edelweiss]

So Googling around I find dedicated servers with Intel Xeon CPU, 16GB RAM, 4TB HDD, more than 10 IPs, over 200Mbps bandwidth, over 100GB backup space, unmetered traffic, and DDoS protection for about $40 every month. Am I missing something here? Maybe I am, after all I know very little about the specifics of this. I'm not trying to be a 'smart ass'.

Seems far away from any current market prices (http://serverbear.com/compare?Sort=Monthly+Cost&Order=asc&Server+Type=Dedicated&Monthly+Cost=-&RAM=16000000000-16000000000&Bandwidth=-) and so too good to be true. Link?

[RedWorker]

Seems far away from any current market prices (http://serverbear.com/compare?Sort=Monthly+Cost&Order=asc&Server+Type=Dedicated&Monthly+Cost=-&RAM=16000000000-16000000000&Bandwidth=-) and so too good to be true. Link?

http://www.soyoustart.com/de/essential-server/

It's OVH's brand, linked to from OVH's site.

BTW, would it be useful to move RevLeft from Apache to a more lightweight server like nginx or lighttpd and apply other such optimizations? And it seems RevLeft doesn't have gzip enabled.

[Edelweiss]

http://www.soyoustart.com/de/essential-server/

It's OVH's brand, linked to from OVH's site.

Did some research on them, reviews aren't too good, they are known for overselling...

Switching to a cheaper hosting provider is of course an option though. Once again BTW, we already did so about a year and a half ago from Rackspace. Just checking the market.


BTW, would it be useful to move RevLeft from Apache to a more lightweight server like nginx or lighttpd and apply other such optimizations? And it seems RevLeft doesn't have gzip enabled.

Since forum speed and page load times is generally quiet excellent, I didn't care too much about optimizations TBH. Good hint about Gzip though, will take care about that.

[adipocere12]

Try hetzner.de. Cheap prices but most importantly a reliable network.

[motion denied]

our overlord has spoken

[Dodo]

and he is rude

[Q]

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[Tim Redd]

I wish the board software would get updated, this version is totally out of date, but other than that it's worth the money.

Just a couple of weeks ago RevLeft was down for several days. There are many more threads with at least 4 people continuing to pull it along. Typically the beginning of new threads has that many or more. This forum has too many significant threads and exchanges to be down for 3-4 days.

No outage should be for more than 4 hours and there should no more than 4 hours outage per every 2 months.

[Ethics Gradient, Traitor For All Ages]

Says who? My fucking manager? Yo Edelweiss when are you going to implement time tracking so we can make sure you and your all volunteer staff are meeting their performance quotas, cuz your downtime is really holding back communism and everything

[Tim Redd]

Says who? My fucking manager? Yo Edelweiss when are you going to implement time tracking so we can make sure you and your all volunteer staff are meeting their performance quotas, cuz your downtime is really holding back communism and everything

Dude *chill*. Why the vehement psychoticy? We are discussing an issue that is not life or death for anyone. Why can't you accept it as one of many positions in a the discussion that is not dissing you or anyone else and not calling for a Nazi coup d'etat. Why do you have to make the discussion a chamber pot for scoring petty put down points?

[BIXX]

Dude *chill*. Why the vehement psychoticy? We are discussing an issue that is not life or death for anyone. Why can't you accept it as one of many positions in a the discussion that is not dissing you or anyone else and not calling for a Nazi coup d'etat. Why do you have to make the discussion a chamber pot for scoring petty put down points?
But its just so easy to insult you.

[consuming negativity]

I am the unelected king of calling out ignorant behavior and in my professional opinion that was not really meant to be taken as a personal attack. he's just being sarcastic yo

[Ethics Gradient, Traitor For All Ages]

My personal attacks are much more subtle and entertaining for me. It doesn't make sense to talk about 4 hour max downtimes in a non-professional environment. Donating money doesn't turn this into an enterprise and you into a share holder. This board is voluntary in every sense of the word, demands like yours make it sound like you truly do not understand what that means. It is you, in the final analysis, who should chill.

[DAN E BOY]

I honestly don't understand how this site takes $140 a month to run, especially given how often it is down (sporadically, in excessively long periods of time for such expensive hosting). Hell, it'd probably run in free hosting. I mean this as a constructive suggestion. Seeing as money's short, couldn't this be moved to some cheaper place? A whooping $1.5k a year for a site with 4000 active users seems grossly disproportionate.

Also, it seems that the donations page randomly, for periods of times, says "RevLeft does not have any paid subscriptions available to which you can subscribe" instead of actually showing the donations page. Not that I was planning to donate, in honesty, but this is probably holding some people back. It's happened the majority of the times I've checked it over the past few months, with it actually showing the page up properly maybe a couple of times.

Well surely there would be some cost behind running a site this size?

$1500 dollars a year for a site with a membership of 4000 doesn't sound unreasonable.

If you want to look at unreasonable figures, swing by stormfront. One of the many ''forums'' i observe. They've had a target to get donations of $7500 dollars for four consecutive months. And i think they hit their target.

Asking for $150 a months for this site is plausible and definitely achievable.Don't believe me?

They ask For $7500 a month from misguided fools at stormfront and get it!

[Sasha]

edelweiss isnt here much so when there is a downtime first me or any off the other admins need to happen be online, realize its more than just matinance, contact edelweiss (i'm not going to call to germany so that is through email) edelweis then needs to get the message (so also happen to check his mail) then he needs to find out whats up and then fix it.

people should be glad we are often only down half a day at most. now if only users would be so kind to stop trolling other boards or make stupid drama we wouldnt get DDOSed as often and down time would be even rarer.

[DOOM]

people should be glad we are often only down half a day at most. now if only users would be so kind to stop trolling other boards or make stupid drama we wouldnt get DDOSed as often and down time would be even rarer.

lol this happens?

[Sasha]

not anymore, or at least, i guess we still get DDOSed from time to time but our current provider doesnt shut down the board like the old one did when it happens but just temporarly gives us more data room

[Tim Redd]

My personal attacks are much more subtle and entertaining for me. It doesn't make sense to talk about 4 hour max downtimes in a non-professional environment. Donating money doesn't turn this into an enterprise and you into a share holder. This board is voluntary in every sense of the word, demands like yours make it sound like you truly do not understand what that means. It is you, in the final analysis, who should chill.

I'm proposing a standard of operation that I think is appropriate for what's going on. People obviously can agree or not agree. Sometimes it's good to put out a goal in the interest of improving a revolutionary operation.

I'm not trying to ask for X based upon what Z I contribute. Again I'm simply proposing a level of service that would boost/enhance communication amongst revolutionaries.

Maybe we can't reach max 4 hours very 2 months until 3 years from now. But I'm laying it out as a possible goal. I present the idea/goal in the spirit of carrying out actions that will improve the status of revolutionary forces and will improve the odds of the likelihood a revolution actually occurring. Nothing more or less. Why is that a target of derision (and mostly by moderators at that)?

[Anti/Non revolutionary moderators excluded. Not sure why they even have a say period. RevLeft has a specific history, but my opinion is that for a revolutionary forum, we can sure do without non-Marxist/non-Anarchist/non-revolutionary moderators. Why do they have any say when they conflict with the basic goal of the RevLeft which is to liberate the masses by making revolution.]

[Tim Redd]

f
I am the unelected king of calling out ignorant behavior and in my professional opinion that was not really meant to be taken as a personal attack. he's just being sarcastic yo

And yo, how is it that being psychotically sarcastic has become a valid response to a sincere, and honest attempt to improve the website? What kind of sense does that make?

What is about many moderators here that you enjoy petite bourgeois pissing contests more than progress in revolutionary discussion? Unfortunately, it's clear that many moderators don't understand or care that others, including other moderators, on the forum spout counter/anti-revolutionary nonsense. It's sad and harms the revolution that so many RevLeft moderators are proud of carrying out, or are OK with allowing steamy ad hominem dumps on what should be revolutionary and or progressive RevLeft discussion.

[Tim Redd]

But its just so easy to insult you.

Why in the world isn't this clown restricted allowed to participate on RevLeft?

Why anyone with good intentions toward progressives and revolutionaries would call themselves "dirty doxxer" is beyond legitimate reason. A doxxer is someone who tries to expose the identity of someone who is attempting to be anonymous, or not known by their real name. Being anonymous and trying to maintain a public versus identity is often essential to revolutionaries in a revolutionary movement.

No one, who is for for successful local and global revolution (which this website is about assisting), would get off, or desire to purposely name themselves "doxxer" and "dirty" one at that. Apparently a significant number of RevLeft moderators have so bought into the "it's OK to be arrogantly clever when you post" mentality and "it's OK to piss on others when you post" mentality that they accept that it's OK for someone to call themselves a 'dirty doxxer".

Given what I point out in the previous paragraph about doxxing, the other moderators are making serious mistake by allowing "dirty doxxer" to participate on RevLeft. He admits straight out that he's not for Marxism, Anarchism, or revolution.

I guess some moderators will learn about a dirty doxxer in the future when they find themselves in FBI/CIA reports with their actual names and it's apparent that "dirty doxxer" was the source/informant. Dirty doxxer is execrable, regarding revolution, but he's allowed to flit around and dump steamy messes all over many discussions on RevLeft.

What do moderators owe this guy? Is it because he's a too clever by half execrant? And in that case you moderators have to question yourself about what the aim/goal of RevLeft should be. If you think that attempting to put people down simply because they have a position different from dirty doxxer's is OK, then you'll do nothing to restrict him. If however your aim/goal for RevLeft is to be a forum for honest, open, left-wing discussion of issues and matters on all fronts that moves the world to successful revolution then you'll see that dirty doxxer should be kept off of RevLeft.

[Art Vandelay]

In what world is this clown a legitimate moderator?

Users with blue names aren't mods, but 'committed users,' it just means they have over 1200 posts.

[Red Commissar]

not anymore, or at least, i guess we still get DDOSed from time to time but our current provider doesnt shut down the board like the old one did when it happens but just temporarly gives us more data room

I guess what helped in this case is the board discouraged users from making threads complaining about threads at a given forum and mentioning they had accounts there specifically for trolling. In any event that was annoying when people'd stir up shit like that, and not even with just racist shitbag forums. It seemed some of those users spent more time trolling other forums than even contributing here at times.

[BIXX]

I'm on a roll, 3rd accusation in a week of being a bourgeois agent.

You take this board too seriously yo.

Also, I'm not a he (I am indeed tired of having to correct people and often I don't cause I don't wanna make people feel bad but honestly I don't care about you're feelings).

Also, it is OK to be arrogantly clever when you post- especially if you are, indeed, clever.