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Sentinel
26th November 2014, 00:41
On Friday, November 28, the parliament of Finland will (finally after a long delay) vote on a citizens initiative for equal marriage legislation. The vote, predicted to be a close race, will even if successful still not automatically lead to implementation, but is of decisive importance for whether or not the case will go further, or be outright rejected.

The country, once part of the vanguard regarding equality - for example one of the very first countries in the world to implement universal suffrage in 1906, before even gaining full independence from the Russian Empire - has been severely trailing behind most of the EU when it comes to the rights of LGBT people.

There is also generally a huge difference for people living openly as homosexuals compared to neighbouring Sweden. While things are gradually improving, and certainly not as bad as for example in Russia, openly LGBT people still face considerable difficulties in Finland compared to the neighbour to the west.

Homosexuality was legalised in Finland in 1971, but only de-classified as an illness in 1981. Homophobic discrimination wasn't criminalised before 1995 (and transphobic before 2005. There is still some extremely repressive legislation in place for trans people which for example Amnesty International condemned in a report this year, including forced sterilisations).

There is a registered partnership option since 2002, but this does not involve equal adoption rights, which are exclusive for married couples. This makes equal marriage rights important regardless of ones views on marriage in itself.

The political parties on the right and centre are either outright homophobic or lack a cohesive policy, thus allowing their MP:s to either oppose or endorse progress for LGBT peoples rights - while those on the 'left' have failed to push for it due to despicable class cooperation in the form of parliamentary alliances over the left-right axis.

But while the opposition is fierce, especially from the Christian Democrats and the rightwing populist, racist and socially conservative True Finns, the support for equality has in this decade gained a swiftly growing majority amongst the population despite the impotence of the political parties on the left.

Initiatives by individual MPs to reflect this have so far been voted down in the parliamentary legal committee (not sure of the English term for it). But since a while back there is the possibility to raise so called citizens initiatives; forcing the parliament to vote on such proposals with 50 000+ signatures.

The one started for equal marriage legislation swiftly gained over 160 000, but it has taken a long time for it to go to vote. On Friday, when the vote takes place there will be a demonstration organised by LGBTI and student groups outside the parliament in Helsinki, at noon.

RedWorker
26th November 2014, 00:55
Such signatures should trigger a referendum rather than make the parliament vote on them. But this way, opportunism and who is really on what side can be really seen... though it is unlikely that someone will really wake up from it, if they have not yet realized who is who.

Sentinel
27th November 2014, 16:14
Holy smoke. A day before the vote, the major evening paper Iltasanomat publishes that according to three different surveys, the Yes side is leading with around 20 MPs backing the initiative!!

I'm not taking out the victory in advance, but.. Awesome surprise.

:):):)

White_Sun
27th November 2014, 17:06
Finland always seemed like a curious case, they seem so progressive in some areas and then lagging behind in others, especially in comparison to the Scandinavian countries.

Maybe close proximity to us Russians rubs off after all :lol:

Good to see, and best of luck!

Sentinel
28th November 2014, 12:39
Just in: parliament passes the motion by 105-92 while thousands demonstrate outside! I am feeling very emotional at the moment, even though the law still needs further discussions to be confirmed.

I never thought it would pass, that Finland would come to the point that it is possible, before I'm 100 years old. Great to be wrong for once! :)

RedWorker
28th November 2014, 12:43
I am feeling very emotional at the moment, even though the law still needs further discussions to be confirmed.

Really? I mean, this is nice and all, but us leftists should not be too excited by such things. Discrimination will be ended by the real struggle, not by politicians making a law from behind a desk and taking credit for people's work.

Not that I want to ruin the moment though. Enjoy gay marriage. Next step is the abolition of the legal relevance of marriage!

Sentinel
28th November 2014, 12:54
This would never have been possible without years of grassroots struggle changing peoples attitudes, which is what matters the most. This vote is above all a confirmation of that.

But yes, while I don't care about marriage much, I will appreciate the opportunity to adopt children (which is tied to the bill) should I some day move back to my country of origin.

Igor
28th November 2014, 13:47
i was there in the crowd outside the parliament and the moment they announced was pretty amazing

of course its not the end to the struggles against discrimination and ive not seen activist pretend it would be, but its a pretty huge milestone regardless, especially now that adoption rights are expanded

Danielle Ni Dhighe
4th December 2014, 05:42
Way to go, Finland!

Igor
4th December 2014, 08:55
ppl are now more and more starting to talk about the much needed trans law reform as well, which has actually been more pressing issue than same sex marriage but as an issue just has very low levels of awareness

currently anyone willing to change their legal gender has to show proof of non-married status, long and unnecessary medical documentation and disgustingly, proof of not being able to conceive

this fucked up shit needs to go

Danielle Ni Dhighe
4th December 2014, 09:34
With same sex marriage, will they still require trans people to be unmarried? And, yes, all the messed up transphobia needs to go.

Igor
4th December 2014, 11:00
With same sex marriage, will they still require trans people to be unmarried? And, yes, all the messed up transphobia needs to go.from what ive understood the requirement of unmarried status when changing legal gender is still a specific demand in trans law and even with same sex marriage this isnt going away

a lot of the specifics of the new marriage law are still sort of shabby so its not 100% how it will turn out

Danielle Ni Dhighe
4th December 2014, 11:25
from what ive understood the requirement of unmarried status when changing legal gender is still a specific demand in trans law and even with same sex marriage this isnt going away
That just seems weird. I can see the twisted logic behind the state wanting trans people to be unmarried, since if a man and a woman get married, and then one later transitions, you'd have a same-sex marriage. But when you have legal same-sex marriage...


a lot of the specifics of the new marriage law are still sort of shabby so its not 100% how it will turn out
I'm curious to see how it turns out.

Igor
4th December 2014, 11:33
its not like any of the other requirements make sense really

Danielle Ni Dhighe
4th December 2014, 11:49
its not like any of the other requirements make sense really
True that.