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Palmares
12th November 2014, 07:34
https://s.yimg.com/ea/img/-/141112/abbott_confronts_putin_1280_1a64l3r-1a64l4r.jpg?x=656&sig=YU9RjQnmf_H8tkiOTHvyBQ-- Prime Minister Tony Abbott has come face-to-face with the Russian president. FIRST ON 7: Tony Abbott's threat to shirtfront Vladimir Putin is escalating dramatically.
7News can reveal a fleet of Russian warships is steaming towards Australia - a defiant show of force from the super power, ahead of this weekend's G20 meeting of world leaders.
In diplomatic terms, it's a worrying development for the Abbott Government after its attack on Russia's role in the downing of MH17.



I will demand Putin apology' (https://au.news.yahoo.com/qld/a/25491010/i-will-demand-putin-apology-newman/)
Ukrainians to protest against Putin at G20 (https://au.news.yahoo.com/qld/a/25495142/ukrainians-to-protest-against-putin-at-g20/)
Abbott caught out by US-China deal (https://au.news.yahoo.com/a/25496096/abbott-caught-out-by-us-china-deal/)

Leaving China this morning, Tony Abbott had precious little to say about his exchanges with Vladimir Putin at APEC.
However, the Prime Minister likely already knew of a developing security issue that could take his problems with President Putin to a whole new level.
7News has been told four Russian warships are bearing down on Australian waters, led by the guided missile Cruiser, Varyag, the flag ship of Russia's Pacific fleet.
Also heading south is the destroyer, Marshal Shaposhnikov - it's not short of firepower either.

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They are being supported by the salvage tug Fotiy Krylov and supply tanker Boris Butoma.
The task group is in the Coral Sea South of Bougainville and appear on course for waters off Australia's east coast.
All four could be sitting off Brisbane by Saturday, a prospect that has so stirred the government,
Defence has sent a P3 Orion Surveillance Aircraft to shadow the ships and an Anzac class frigate, HMAS Stuart to the Coral Sea.

https://s.yimg.com/dh/ap/default/141111/embed-plame.jpgRussian Navy ships Admiral Panteleyev, left, and Marshal Shaposhnikov, right, two anti-submarine ships with the Pacific Fleet, leave Vladivostok harbour in the Russian Far East, to head to the Indian Ocean. Photo: AP, file
7News political editor Mark Riley reported that the ships arrived with no official notice from Moscow but that Australian intelligence services picked them up some days ago.
Russian presidents have had naval vessels sitting offshore of international meetings a couple of times in the past but certainly not four - and not without official notice to the host country.
The timing is unmistakable; Brisbane's G20 this weekend. President Putin is a guest, though Australia has made few if any foreign leaders less welcome in the lead up to their visit.

A question now for the Abbott Government: might the Russian vessels seek a port visit? How would Australia respond?
Even in international waters off the Australian Coast, the ships are a headache for Prime Minister Abbott and right or wrong, will be read as a pointed comeback to the PM leading the charge in the MH17 case

Prime Minister Abbott's office says his fifteen minute one-on-one with the Russian President yesterday directly tackled Russia's apparent links to the July MH17 atrocity - Abbott laying out intelligence that shows the missile launcher used to fire on the Malaysian passenger jet had been moved from Russian territory to Ukraine before the deadly strike.

But that got a swift response from the Russian embassy, its spokesman telling 7News the Kremlin "unconditionally refutes the accusation"

Suddenly the diplomatic temperature is rising ahead of Brisbane's G-20.


https://au.news.yahoo.com/world/a/25496667/russian-warships-bearing-down-on-australia/

Tim Cornelis
12th November 2014, 13:49
What? Kinda odd, almost surreal.

Palmares
12th November 2014, 15:01
Totally. If there's any credence to it, seems like some mad over-the-top posturing in response to the whole "shirtfront" affair. I dunno, it's just plain strange.

The Feral Underclass
12th November 2014, 15:50
What is the "shirtfront" affair? Is that the issue of Putin rudely helping out the Chinese First Lady with her temperature problems?

Sasha
12th November 2014, 16:16
Pretty normal dick slinging =/= bearing down on....

Isnt this the pretty standard reaction the world over if one president pisses of the other who happens to have a bigger army? The US and chinese and russians do this with ships and airplanes all the time. Yes its a dick move (quite litteraly) but pretty run of the mill isnt it?

The Feral Underclass
12th November 2014, 16:18
Brownshawlgate.

If we learn one thing from all this, it's never accept anything from Vladimir Putin.

Sasha
12th November 2014, 16:25
If only someone told that to the polonium dude ;)

Geiseric
12th November 2014, 17:58
Who gives a shit about Australia anyways?

Ceallach_the_Witch
12th November 2014, 18:31
the real question is why did Russia go to all this effort to make Tony Abbot look like a cowardly, venal, blustering fool when he can do all of that himself for free?

John Nada
12th November 2014, 21:49
Who does Putin think he is, Obama?
Who gives a shit about Australia anyways?The other Four Eyes want to keep Australia South Crimea under their boot.

PhoenixAsh
12th November 2014, 22:18
Does this make Australia part of the anti-Imperialist forces now? Should we no all become supporters of Abbot for his fierce stance in the face of blatant imperialist force?

John Nada
12th November 2014, 23:17
Does this make Australia part of the anti-Imperialist forces now? Should we no all become supporters of Abbot for his fierce stance in the face of blatant imperialist force?

Uh, yeah. Unconditional and uncritical support for Abbot! Who cares if he's a rightist bigot? Anti-imperalism yo!:rolleyes:

But seriously, the ships might be there for the small chance Putin gets arrested for shooting down MH17.

willwinall
13th November 2014, 01:01
What`s the logic behind Putin Shooting down MH17? Just curious.

Sinister Cultural Marxist
13th November 2014, 01:58
I wouldn't be surprised if this was just a petty response to Abbot's petty foreign policy.


What`s the logic behind Putin Shooting down MH17? Just curious.

It was probably unintentionally done by forces who were not equipped, for whatever reason, to tell the difference between an airline and a military plane. Shit happens in war - that's one reason among many why we should oppose imperialistic meddling.

Palmares
13th November 2014, 02:59
What is the "shirtfront" affair? Is that the issue of Putin rudely helping out the Chinese First Lady with her temperature problems?

You asked for it....

24ruCWdyRzY

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/oct/13/tony-abbott-says-he-will-shirtfront-vladimir-putin-over-downing-of-mh17

And some info on "shirtfront"-ing:

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-10-14/shirtfront-tony-abbott-vladimir-putin-g20/5811502


I'm surprised more of you don't know about it. I know Australia is very insignificant on the global scale, but this incident has been in the news internationally due it's complete and utter ridiculousness.

Palmares
13th November 2014, 03:01
And perhaps now, you'll appreciate this:

http://www.revleft.com/vb/showpost.php?p=2800285&postcount=862

Geiseric
13th November 2014, 03:01
I wouldn't be surprised if this was just a petty response to Abbot's petty foreign policy.



It was probably unintentionally done by forces who were not equipped, for whatever reason, to tell the difference between an airline and a military plane. Shit happens in war - that's one reason among many why we should oppose imperialistic meddling.

The Ukrainian army shot down a plane a few years ago. The rebels have no airplanes so the story of a "stolen rocket launcher" is dubious since theres no reason for one of them on the front line.

willwinall
13th November 2014, 04:52
I do believe it was done " unintentionally", unless the perpetrators had some political motive and that motive may have been to get other foreign powers involved.

Palmares
13th November 2014, 08:09
Russian naval vessels north of Australia being monitored, Abbott says

Updated about an hour ago Thu 13 Nov 2014, 5:58pm
http://www.abc.net.au/news/image/5887768-3x2-340x227.jpg (http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-11-13/the-russian-warship-marshal-shaposhnikov/5887820)

[/URL][URL="http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-11-13/the-russian-warship-marshal-shaposhnikov/5887820"]Photo: The Russian Udaloy-class destroyer Marshal Shaposhnikov. (AFP: Sebastian D'Souza, file photo) (http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-11-13/the-russian-warship-marshal-shaposhnikov/5887820)
Related Story: No 'shirtfronting' as Abbott talks MH17 with Putin (http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-11-11/abbott-and-putin-meet-to-discuss-mh17-at-apec-summit/5883592)
Related Story: The Americans are coming: How Obama will arrive at G20 (http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-11-12/g20-us-military-dusty-transport-practice-ahead-of-obama-arrival/5886772)
Map: Russian Federation (http://maps.google.com/?q=60,100%28Russian%20Federation%29&z=5)

Prime Minister Tony Abbott has confirmed the Government is monitoring Russian naval vessels currently travelling through international waters north of Australia.

Russia has stationed four warships in Pacific waters near Papua New Guinea, with president Vladimir Putin due to arrive in Australia on Friday for the G20 summit in Brisbane.

Mr Abbott said the Russian deployment into Pacific waters had been a "long, long time in preparation".

"It's not unusual for Russia to deploy naval elements when there are significant international events taking place," he told reporters in Myanmar.

"Certainly, it is unusual for Russian naval elements to be in Australian waters. Unusual, not entirely unprecedented, but unusual.

"We've been monitoring this naval deployment for some time now.

"We first began monitoring it when it was some hundreds of miles north of New Guinea, and we'll continue to monitor it."

The Department of Defence said the ships' movements were "consistent" with international law.

"The movement of these vessels is entirely consistent with provisions under international law for military vessels to exercise freedom of navigation in international waters," a statement said.

"Russian naval vessels have previously been deployed in conjunction with major international summits, such as the APEC meeting in Singapore in 2009.

Audio: Russian naval ships a show of power ahead of G20, says former Army Chief (AM) (http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-11-13/russian-naval-ships-a-show-of-power-ahead-of-g20/5887462)

"A warship from Russia's Pacific Fleet also accompanied former Russian president [Dmitry] Medvedev's visit to San Francisco in 2010."

Defence said it regularly undertook maritime surveillance patrols in the approaches to Australia.

Foreign Affairs Minister Julie Bishop played down concerns about the presence of the Russian warships.

"We have been aware of it for some time. We've been tracking it and as far as I know, they remain in international waters," she said.

"Now the Australian Navy likewise proceeds through international waters to our north and east and west... and so Russia is doing what navies do - and that is they traverse international waters."

Mr Putin and Prime Minister Tony Abbott met at the APEC summit in Beijing on Tuesday (http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-11-11/abbott-and-putin-meet-to-discuss-mh17-at-apec-summit/5883592) to discuss the downing of Malaysia Airlines MH17 over eastern Ukraine in July.


http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-11-12/defence-monitors-russian-naval-vessels-north-of-australia/5887134

PhoenixAsh
13th November 2014, 18:45
http://edition.cnn.com/2014/11/13/world/europe/russia-bombers-plan/index.html?sr=fb111314russiabombers330astorylink

(CNN) -- Russia plans to send long-range bombers to the Gulf of Mexico in what appears to be Moscow's latest provocative maneuver in its increasingly frosty relations with the West.
Defense Minister Sergey Shoigu said Wednesday that "we have to maintain (Russia's) military presence in the western Atlantic and eastern Pacific, as well as the Caribbean and the Gulf of Mexico" -- including sending bombers "as part of the drills." Shoigu added that Russia will also boost its security in Crimea, the region it annexed from Ukraine earlier this year.
"In many respects, this is connected with the situation in Ukraine, with fomentation of anti-Russian moods on the part of NATO and reinforcement of foreign military presence next to our border," Shoigu said.

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Palmares
14th November 2014, 14:26
Prime Minister Tony Abbott has revealed he told Vladimir Putin earlier this week that Russia should stop trying to "recreate the lost glories" of its past.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-11-14/tony-abbott-details-apec-conversation-with-vladimir-putin/5891748