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[leftwinger2007]

Hi/Hello I have spoken to some Non Muslims who believe all Muslims not only the Radicals or the Terrorists but all Muslims all Muslims as a whole need to be deported from the West or East or all Non Muslim Nations my question is how can you deport a Religion/Ideology it seems almost impossible to me since Muslims are not a Race/Skin Color how do you tell who is a Muslim or not just by looking at them ? Can't the Muslims just lie and make themselves look non muslim by shaving beard or not wearing hijab so they don't get deported and pretend to not be Muslim if they fear danger so whats the point of trying to deport them them all some if all could slip though ? Also this is like saying lets deport all Communists how do you deport all Communists how do you tell they can lie its a Ideology not a Race in fact most Anti Islam people even if they agree with deporting Muslims they admit its a pipe dream most Anti Islam people say they don't want all Muslims deported I know of many Racists/White Supremacists/Neo Nazis that believe in deporting Muslims/ArabsAs Salamu Alaykum/Hi/Hello I have spoken to some Non Muslims who believe all Muslims not only the Radicals or the Terrorists but all Muslims all Muslims as a whole need to be deported from the West or East or all Non Muslim Nations my question is how can you deport a Religion/Ideology it seems almost impossible to me since Muslims are not a Race/Skin Color how do you tell who is a Muslim or not just by looking at them ? Can't the Muslims just lie and make themselves look non muslim by shaving beard or not wearing hijab so they don't get deported and pretend to not be Muslim if they fear danger so whats the point of trying to deport them them all some if all could slip though ? Also this is like saying lets deport all Communists how do you deport all Communists how do you tell they can lie known as Taqiyya its a Ideology not a Race in fact most Anti Islam people even if they agree with deporting Muslims they admit its a pipe dream most Anti Islam people say they don't want all Muslims deported I know of many Racists/White Supremacists/Neo Nazis that believe in deporting Muslims/Arabs by the way Im a Convert to Islam and Im White/Caucasian Male and Im not asking this question because I fear being deported Im just curious ?

[Blake's Baby]

Hi/Hello I have spoken to some Non Muslims who believe all Muslims not only the Radicals or the Terrorists but all Muslims all Muslims as a whole need to be deported from the West or East or all Non Muslim Nations my question is how can you deport a Religion/Ideology it seems almost impossible to me since Muslims are not a Race/Skin Color how do you tell who is a Muslim or not just by looking at them ? Can't the Muslims just lie and make themselves look non muslim by shaving beard or not wearing hijab so they don't get deported and pretend to not be Muslim if they fear danger so whats the point of trying to deport them them all some if all could slip though ? Also this is like saying lets deport all Communists how do you deport all Communists how do you tell they can lie its a Ideology not a Race in fact most Anti Islam people even if they agree with deporting Muslims they admit its a pipe dream most Anti Islam people say they don't want all Muslims deported I know of many Racists/White Supremacists/Neo Nazis that believe in deporting Muslims/ArabsAs Salamu Alaykum/Hi/Hello I have spoken to some Non Muslims who believe all Muslims not only the Radicals or the Terrorists but all Muslims all Muslims as a whole need to be deported from the West or East or all Non Muslim Nations my question is how can you deport a Religion/Ideology it seems almost impossible to me since Muslims are not a Race/Skin Color how do you tell who is a Muslim or not just by looking at them ? Can't the Muslims just lie and make themselves look non muslim by shaving beard or not wearing hijab so they don't get deported and pretend to not be Muslim if they fear danger so whats the point of trying to deport them them all some if all could slip though ? Also this is like saying lets deport all Communists how do you deport all Communists how do you tell they can lie known as Taqiyya its a Ideology not a Race in fact most Anti Islam people even if they agree with deporting Muslims they admit its a pipe dream most Anti Islam people say they don't want all Muslims deported I know of many Racists/White Supremacists/Neo Nazis that believe in deporting Muslims/Arabs by the way Im a Convert to Islam and Im White/Caucasian Male and Im not asking this question because I fear being deported Im just curious ?

That's a very odd post.

I'm not sure why you're asking us about the lunatic plans of some right-wing idiots. As this is the forum for 'revolutionary leftists' you'll find that the majority of us support two things: the end of all states and borders (which means, no deportations) and the end of all religions (so no Muslims either). The first we'll dimantle forceibly. The second we're confidant will disappear when humans no longer live alienataed existences (though perhaps we wouldn't all phrase it that way).

[Kingfish]

Well I think you are trying to ask how a government could deport people based on belief alone?

If that is the case, then the answer is fairly straight forward, simply persecute people who openly display their faith/ideology and drive it underground. With the advances in surveillance and internet monitoring technology this would be very easy to do even to those whose affiliation is not as obvious as you described.


For an example in the US towards leftists

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palmer_Raids

However and what you really have to watch be concerned about is when public opinion towards a certain group falls to such a low that people will turn a blind eye or even happily accept actions that would normally be seen as unacceptable towards people simply being labeled as members of that group. Once that happen evidence or accurate identification methods dont mean a whole lot.

Another good example from the US of this situation.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/McCarthyism

[Palmares]

leftwinger2007,

It seems like are relatively new to this site? Joined this year, and have very few posts. You also seem to have trouble articulating yourself clearly. I don't mean to attack you, but if we can't understand your posts, you can't expect many, if any, responses. And your post above is in danger as being viewed as trolling, in it's incomprehensible, copy and paste format.


Please reply.

http://www.revleft.com/vb/showthread.php?p=2794944#post2794944

Saying this won't necessarily encourage a useful response either.

I would recommend to trying posting in the Learning forum for a while, perhaps that will be beneficial to the questions you ask.

Let's try this, if you were to paraphrase your above post into a question or two, in no more than two or three sentences, what would that be?

[PhoenixAsh]

As Salamu Alaykum/Hi/Hello

I have spoken to some Non Muslims who believe all Muslims, not only the Radicals or the Terrorists, but all Muslims all Muslims as a whole need to be deported from the West or East or all Non Muslim Nations.

My question is how can you deport a Religion/Ideology?

It seems almost impossible to me since Muslims are not a Race/Skin Color. How do you tell who is a Muslim or not just by looking at them?

Can't the Muslims just lie and make themselves look non muslim by shaving beard or not wearing hijab so they don't get deported and pretend to not be Muslim if they fear danger?

So whats the point of trying to deport them them all some if all could slip though?

Also this is like saying lets deport all Communists. How do you deport all Communists how do you tell they can lie. Its a Ideology not a Race. In fact most Anti Islam people even if they agree with deporting Muslims they admit its a pipe dream.

Most Anti Islam people say they don't want all Muslims deported.

I know of many Racists/White Supremacists/Neo Nazis that believe in deporting Muslims/Arabs.


By the way Im a Convert to Islam and Im White/Caucasian Male and Im not asking this question because I fear being deported Im just curious ?


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[Sasha]

I'll try to give you an answer of some sorts; for many islamophobes "muslim" is just code for "brown". They might wax on about Islam being an idealogy but at their core its not about religion but about race. This is why Sikhs and Mexicans always are getting attacked by bigots shouting anti-Islam abuse.
At some point there was a great cartoon here where the main (white) characters are hiding begind the curtains calling the police "come quick, there are Muslim fundamentalists hanging around outside whisteling at our girls!"

[Sasha]

Which is also the worst thing about the popularity of the PVV here, all this fighting of Wilders against Islamism means little to 99% of his voters, they are not scared of Muslims for their religion they are scared of kids of marocan and Turkish descent who they think are dominating petty crime and intergration problems (assimilation refusal).
But obviously as soon as Wilders panders to that he loses his thin veneer of acceptability to the establishment and he is shown to be just another racist. So he comes up with ridiculous stuff to make a connection between religion and racist prejudices like calling (percieved) petty crime and anti-social behavior by dutch kids from maroccan descent "street terrorism" and insane theories how its Islam that causes these kids (who in general go as little to the mosque as white kids here go to church) to reject the "judeo-christian western culture" etc etc

[Rad]

Whenever people say 'I am not against Muslims, I am only against Islam' I get suspicious. Most of the time it is code for brown, as someone else mentioned. But what I dont get is that in my country, the hindus also have the same attitude. Baffles me because I can understand why a racist would do that....but since Hindus can't be distinguished from Muslims, wouldn't they also stand to suffer this discrimination? Shouldn't they therefore be more supportive of Muslims?

[Blake's Baby]

Presumably in India, it isnt a code for 'brown'. It means 'people who do things differently'. A bit like the English looking down on the Irish, even though we're biologically pretty damn similar.