Favourite member of the petty bourgeoisie

[bricolage]

I've always been a big fan of my barber.

[Illegalitarian]

I know a lot of local shop keepers and what have you that are just great. I don't think they would side with the ruling minority in a revolution

[Bala Perdida]

Based on a technical inheritance, SI. Revolutionary as fuck too. Also my uncles in Mexico that own taquerias. Although one of them doesn't hire workers so he's more like an urban peasant.

[Anglo-Saxon Philistine]

The guy who runs the fast-food joint I whittle away years of my life at. He's pretty cool, although I don't have any illusions about the fellow.

[Rosa Partizan]

the guys from my fav veggie burger restaurant and my haircutter lady that doesn't charge me a penny for shortening my bangs :wub:

[Lily Briscoe]

God, the woman who does my hair is the most stuck up asshole on the face of the earth (she's a wealthy white woman from LA who became a Bahai and thinks she's attained enlightenment), and her prices are so insane that I lie to people about what I pay lol. She's good at what she does, though.

I'm actually having a really hard time thinking of any small business owners I don't despise.

[Sinister Intents]

Based on a technical inheritance, SI. Revolutionary as fuck too. Also my uncles in Mexico that own taquerias. Although one of them doesn't hire workers so he's more like an urban peasant.

Thanks!

I'm gonna have to say some of the PB individuals I've met in my business career are nicer when you get to meet them. Like with this one multi-millionaire grape farmer, he was a complete asshole until you'd get to meet him and realize he's very depressed over the sudden death of his wife and the harsh occurrences that have struck him throughout his life.

[DOOM]

Wait
People really judge people by their class?
eh

[motion denied]

Wait
People really judge people by their class?
eh

The day I had to denounce my parents to the KGB was one of the worst days of my life.


They had it coming though. The revolution marches on!

[QueerVanguard]

Fuck 'em all. They'll fight to the death to keep their shitty little taco stands and greasy spoons privately owned come the revolution. I don't give a fuck if they are your local Diner shitbird owners or a nice little liberal worker owned co-op selling fair trade coffee, they are objectively reactionary and therefore don't get my sympathy.

[Creative Destruction]

Fuck 'em all. They'll fight to the death to keep their shitty little taco stands and greasy spoons privately owned come the revolution. I don't give a fuck if they are your local Diner shitbird owners or a nice little liberal worker owned co-op selling fair trade coffee, they are objectively reactionary and therefore don't get my sympathy.

Shut up, you idiot.

[Sinister Intents]

Shut up, you idiot.

I'm pb technically and I agree though. As soon as thr opportunity arises I'm leaving this business which I no longer think my father will sign over to me

[Creative Destruction]

I'm pb technically and I agree though. As soon as thr opportunity arises I'm leaving this business which I no longer think my father will sign over to me

Saying they're all "objectively reactionary" is objectively dumb as fuck. This is different from saying that petit-bourgeois class interests are reactionary -- that's an objective assessment. Making value judgements of every single member of that class is infantile.

[Lily Briscoe]

Small business owners really do tend to be some of the most insufferable scumbags alive though, in my experience. I don't think that amounts to 'judging people on the basis of' their class position; it's simply making an observation.

I eagerly await the barrage of angry responses. :sleep:

[motion denied]

Small business owners really do tend to be some of the most insufferable scumbags alive though, in my experience. I don't think that amounts to 'judging people on the basis of' their class position; it's simply making an observation.

I eagerly await the barrage of angry responses. :sleep:

Small business owners are the closest you will get to "work ethic" (if you're into that thing).

[Lily Briscoe]

(if you're into that thing)I'm not lol (if you knew me, you'd laugh)

Least of all when I'm working for them.

[motion denied]

No no I didn't mean that.

If you're into "work ethic". Like if you think that's a valuable notion.

[Brandon's Impotent Rage]

The guy who owns the local Indian restaurant. Really nice guy, cooks fantastic food and gets far too little clientele then what he deserves.

[Lily Briscoe]

No no I didn't mean that.

If you're into "work ethic". Like if you think that's a valuable notion.

I know that's what you meant. It's funny though, because isn't the "petty bourgeois" stereotype among a lot of Leninists basically the opposite (i.e. That they're non-committal anarcho-types who won't buckle down and do the hard work necessary for political organization)? I have been called 'petty bourgeois" as an insult along these lines before (I am like the ADHD prototype lol), and it never made any sense to me.

[motion denied]

I still think I didn't get my point across. :crying:

Alcohol is probably kicking in then.

[Lily Briscoe]

Yeah me too

[Os Cangaceiros]

There's this old lady in my city who owns a Vietnamese restaurant that's basically located in her kitchen lol. You look over to the side from where you're seated and you see a bunch of clutter, like, piles of bills and things like that. She's the only employee and you kind of have to know where to look for the establishment, as it's kind of tucked out of the way, but man, the portions are huge and the prices are cheap. She seems pretty cool.

[Atsumari]

I have a soft spot for small restaurant owners. 80 percent of restaurants in America fail, and it is not because of the food, often times, the food is amazing, but rather because they do not have business skills. Just imagine all the wonderful food we could be eating if it were not for markets.

[Sewer Socialist]

Working in restaurants and bars is shit. I realize it's the nature of the market that creates this pressure, but working at one is one of the most stressful things ever, squeezed on all sides by customers, the owner, and stressed out overworked coworkers worried about tips. Nothing brings out the petty-bourgeois attitude in coworkers like getting most of income from tips.

Anyway... are athletes petty-bourgeois? I know lots of struggling athletes who are trying to "make it." I used to be one before I got burnt out. And I worked at a bar at nights so I could train during the day. I was so overworked.

[Illegalitarian]

Yeah as a rule of thumb don't take anything seriously that someone on the left calls "petty bourgeois" in the context of a slam. It's a dumb go-to insult that literally no one who uses understands

[Bala Perdida]

There's this old lady in my city who owns a Vietnamese restaurant that's basically located in her kitchen lol. You look over to the side from where you're seated and you see a bunch of clutter, like, piles of bills and things like that. She's the only employee and you kind of have to know where to look for the establishment, as it's kind of tucked out of the way, but man, the portions are huge and the prices are cheap. She seems pretty cool.
Sounds like an urban peasant to me.

[Creative Destruction]

what is an urban peasant?

[QueerVanguard]

Saying they're all "objectively reactionary" is objectively dumb as fuck. This is different from saying that petit-bourgeois class interests are reactionary -- that's an objective assessment. Making value judgements of every single member of that class is infantile.

I was speaking in class terms, you presumptuous little shitwad. And guess what? Class largely determines your subjectivity on these issues, or haven't you read your Marx? I'm guessing not, being that you promote Michael Albert's self-managed capital parecon horseshit. 9 out of 10 P.Bourgeois are not gonna be on the side of workers come the revolution, don't deceive yourself.

[Illegalitarian]

I was speaking in class terms, you presumptuous little shitwad. And guess what? Class largely determines your subjectivity on these issues, or haven't you read your Marx? I'm guessing not, being that you promote Michael Albert's self-managed capital parecon horseshit. 9 out of 10 P.Bourgeois are not gonna be on the side of workers come the revolution, don't deceive yourself.

I don't know if I agree, even though most pb are not technically "working class" people they're still far closer to the working class in terms of standard of living, material conditions and, most importantly, class interests, than they are to the bourgeois.

That's not to say that the p.b can't develop their own class interests and act upon them, that was basically the key to fascism's rise in Europe and is still somewhat of an issue with far-right groups in both Europe and the US, but if it came down to a working class revolution against the capitalist mode of production I don't see most barbers, shop keeps, etc siding with the Bill Gates' and Steve Job's of the world rather than the people they work along side and deal with every day.

[Lily Briscoe]

Revleft: for when you want to be reminded of insults you haven't actually heard anyone use since you were 10 years old.

[Illegalitarian]

Yeah some of you are the rudest twats I have ever seen for literally no reason

[motion denied]

Yeah as a rule of thumb don't take anything seriously that someone on the left calls "petty bourgeois" in the context of a slam. It's a dumb go-to insult that literally no one who uses understands

Says the petty bourgeois wrecker.

[Bala Perdida]

what is an urban peasant?
Sorry I took so long. Overworked. Lol.
Anyways, given that peasants are normally people in the rural that rent or own a little land and cultivate it for a living, an urban peasant I believe would be the same except with industrial factors of production instead of land. Given that they don't hire workers they're not really exploiting anyone. To my understanding a bourgeois is an exploiter, so if they work the factors themselves they sound like more of a peasant.

[Fakeblock]

Fuck 'em all. They'll fight to the death to keep their shitty little taco stands and greasy spoons privately owned come the revolution. I don't give a fuck if they are your local Diner shitbird owners or a nice little liberal worker owned co-op selling fair trade coffee, they are objectively reactionary and therefore don't get my sympathy.

The petty bourgeoisie certainly tends towards reactionary ideology and as a class they're reactionary. But remember that they occupy a contradictory position, which could very well lead the lower strata to the side of the proletariat (for a time).

[motion denied]

If anything, everyone "tends" towards reactionary ideology. Because our existence "determines" it.

[Creative Destruction]

I was speaking in class terms, you presumptuous little shitwad.

No you weren't, you incredibly dense sack of dog shit.


And guess what? Class largely determines your subjectivity on these issues, or haven't you read your Marx?

lol. What is this dumb bullshit? Marx never made value judgements on the individuals in the class. He made observations about their class and class interests. Of course, many people are going to fight for their class interest. That's an entirely different thing than putting a number on it ("9 out of 10") as if you've done some super-scientific survey here, or making insulting value judgements of people based on where they are in this class strata. Newsflash, kid; class interests don't always determine the personality or even ideology of the person. Or do you think all proletarians are revolutionary goodies, too? You realize that Engels was a factory owner, right? Let's see how far your idiocy extends here.


9 out of 10 P.Bourgeois are not gonna be on the side of workers come the revolution, don't deceive yourself.

Shut up, you idiot. Go back and actually read Marx and get a handle on what he was saying. Put aside your emotional, faux-revolutionary fantasies.

[Fakeblock]

If anything, everyone "tends" towards reactionary ideology. Because our existence "determines" it.

No I mean reactionary in the context of capitalism (i.e. the proletariat is revolutionary, the bourgeoisie conservative and the petty bourgeoisie reactionary).

Mere existence within the capitalist structure does not lead directly to bourgeois ideology. The structure itself is contradictory, antagonisms and conflicts of interest permeate its very core. Communism is just as much a consequence of existence within bourgeois society as liberalism. Indeed, the spontaneous ideology of the working class is a constant threat to the bourgeoisie. Were it not for bourgeois ideological institutions, capitalist society wouldn't last a day, which is what makes class struggle in the ideological domain so important. The problem with the petty bourgeoise is that in order to take a proletarian position in the class struggle, they must battle the contradiction between their lived experiences and their conscious ideology. They must continuously revolutionise their thought and be conscious of this revolution and the threats of their own spontaneous ideology. Not that this is impossible - Marx, Engels and Lenin are prime examples - but it's very difficult, especially in non-revolutionary conditions.

[Lily Briscoe]

...making insulting value judgements of people based on where they are in this class strata.Yeah, personally not gonna lose any sleep over people "making insulting value judgements" about employers on the basis that they're employers. You gotta wonder where people are coming from when this is the sort of thing they get upset over--someone 'insulting' bosses because of their class position. God forbid.

[Creative Destruction]

You gotta wonder where people are coming from when this is the sort of thing they get upset over...

From a place against irrational and infantile emotionalism; as if it's some sort of supplement or even a basis for "revolutionary" thought.

[Lily Briscoe]

From a place against irrational and infantile emotionalismLeading by example, I see:

you incredibly dense sack of dog shit.

lol. What is this dumb bullshit?
Shut up, you idiot.At any rate, I think people on the left trying to pander to the petty bourgeoisie is a much bigger problem than workers having an "irrational and infantile" distaste for bosses.

[Creative Destruction]

Leading by example, I see:

Which, of course, isn't an example of it in my political thought. Great job on missing the point.


At any rate, I think people on the left trying to pander to the petty bourgeoisie is a much bigger problem than workers having an "irrational and infantile" distaste for bosses.

Good thing no one is "pandering" to the petty bourgeoisie here, I guess!

[Zanters]

Fuck 'em all. They'll fight to the death to keep their shitty little taco stands and greasy spoons privately owned come the revolution. I don't give a fuck if they are your local Diner shitbird owners or a nice little liberal worker owned co-op selling fair trade coffee, they are objectively reactionary and therefore don't get my sympathy.

Ah yes, the "I'm a RADICAL REVOLUTIONARY and FUCK THE SYSTEM CAUSE IT BE BAD" edgy as fuck stage. Seems to be more of an anarchist thing. The equivalent for communist would probably be the "I own so many USSR memorabilia, all hail the mother land, I'm taking courses in Russian, because great leader Stalin said so."