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vox
29th December 2001, 16:59
Published on Friday, December 28, 2001 in the Madison Capital Times
So What's This Subversive Document?
by Dave Zweifel

"For the first time in my life, I can see how something like the Japanese internment camps could happen in our country."

That comment was made by the faculty president at Cal State-Sacramento after watching a graduation speaker get booed and heckled off the stage for raising questions about the government's response to terrorism.

The speaker, the publisher of the Sacramento Bee, urged the audience to safeguard their rights to free speech, against unlawful detainment and for a fair trial. Many in the graduation ceremony crowd loudly booed her remarks, and when she asked what would happen if racial profiling becomes routine, the crowd cheered.

She went on to tell the graduates that "the Constitution makes it our right to challenge government policies," at which point the crowd broke into a clapping chant and forced her off the stage.

Several in the audience defended their reaction to the speech and blamed Publisher Janis Heaphy for inappropriately talking politics at the graduation. And the conservative talk show hosts in Sacramento, of course, lambasted her, defending the crowd's reaction.

Those who have seen a video recording of the nine-minute talk (http://www.commondreams.org/views01/1217-08.htm) are appalled.

She began the speech: "No one argues the validity and need for both retaliation and security. But to what lengths are we willing to go to achieve them? Specifically, to what degree are we willing to compromise our civil liberties in the name of security?"

Many members of the audience obviously agree with Attorney General John Ashcroft that to criticize the government amounts to aiding the enemy.

I got a charge out of the reaction of the ACLU director in Los Angeles.

"We've always known that if you took the Bill of Rights to the street and asked most people to sign it, you would be unable to get a majority of Americans to do so," she said.

No kidding.

John Patrick Hunter, this paper's retired associate editor, found that out way back in 1951. That was another time when all too many Americans felt it inappropriate to speak out. A fellow named Sen. Joe McCarthy, not at all unlike John Ashcroft, was using his government position to insinuate that people with differing views were un-American.

So when Hunter, on the Fourth of July no less, sought to get Madisonians to sign a document that was actually the Bill of Rights, only one out of 112 would do so. Most felt it was some kind of subversive screed.

Funny, isn't it, how so many forget what makes America America.

Dave Zweifel is editor of The Capital Times.

libereco
29th December 2001, 17:10
got a link to that maybe?


something simular happended to a teacher here in germany after he spoke about the attacks.

he was a humanitarian, and when the students asked him to speak at the day of remembrance or whatever, he held a speech the way they should have expected.
He criticised the attacks, but also dared to talk about US foreign policy, and so on.

Afterwards some people claimed he "was happy that those people died" and shit like that....for no reason.
so he was not allowed to teach for a while, and went to court....I'm not sure what happened after that, but it's just ridiculous.

the people WANT to be a stupid following mass it seems to me sometimes.

vox
29th December 2001, 17:13
I got it from commondreams.org. Give them money, they need it, and we need them.

Here's the link:

http://www.commondreams.org/views01/1229-03.htm

vox

RedCeltic
29th December 2001, 19:18
I was quite shaken when I heard of this event. So many people are willing to comprimise our civil liberties these days, it's quite frightening.

Derar
30th December 2001, 15:23
i also read once about one of the famost boxers in australia ........ they enterviewd him live on tv a week after the 9-11 attacks , he said he was sorry about what happend , but he also condemnd the US policies ...... suddenly they cut the broadcast and said that it was an error ...... the next day all the news papers in australia wrote about him ,called him a traitor , threatend him , and told him to quit boxing ...... he also recieved lots of threatning phone calls messages etc.....

Naive
30th December 2001, 21:23
Derar: I actually saw that interview with Anthony Mundine (not sure about the spelling) and it was disgusting how every time he was about to say something controversial "suddenly" the transmission was lost. The Australian media is crap anyway. I cant believe these people are allowed to call themselves journalists. They’re such a bunch of sheep. God forbid one of them actually made an informed comment! And while I’m ranting and raving I feel that here patriotism is being taken way too far, it's becoming almost like the US. Everyone is careful not to appear un-Australian. And don't even get me started on John Howard, that whiney little creep! He's Bushes lap-dog just waiting for his master to throw him a yummy little treat.

RedCeltic
31st December 2001, 02:46
Questioning the American Govt. is "Un-Australian? WTF? I find this even more disturbing than Americans being attacked for questioning the American Govt.

I Will Deny You
1st January 2002, 00:56
Even the American government was expecting a major terrorist attack. There's a difference between expecting and applauding, and most people don't seem to understand that.

During the Clinton administration two Senators (I think) were commissioned to file a report about the likeliness of a terrorist attack, what could be done to avoid one, etc. Then a few months into the Bush administration, Cheney tossed it and decided to order a new one, probably one that could be used to advance the special interest groups that support the Republicans. There was some really valuable information in there, and the US government ignored its own report.

The fact remains that the US government itself saw a massive terrorist attack coming.

The US government also tried to federalize airport security and take it up a few notches in the mid-90s, Al Gore was in charge, but eventually the airline lobbyists (who were afraid that longer lines and tougher measures might scare off passengers) got him to cave in. The airlines have spent tens of millions of dollars on lobbyists.

flames of the flag
1st January 2002, 19:21
that pissed me off
we should show people the suffering caused by u.s. by foreign policie. what's happening is because ignorance is bliss anyone trying to educate people is being shuned. I wish people would stop using bush's thighs as ear-muffs and wake up.

Renegade
2nd January 2002, 10:21
Well, I am an australian so I thought maybe you'd like an insight from me. I get called unaustralian, traitor etc etc becuase i show people how US foreign policy etc was the cause behind the 911 attacks. Here in Australia, most of the population are people who because of our socio-economic system have had their emotional brains bashed out and don't have the ability to make informed decisions. They succumb to the senseless hype and sensationalism of the media and attatch themselves to such emotional apron-strings as racism, militarism, right wing ideals and eventually we reelected a right-wing government.

A comment I'd like to make is that everytime a large world event happens, our country (as i suppose many others do) has this massive kneejerk reaction and the little democratic power we have goes and supports the liberal party our right wing organisation. I'm suggesting that tehre may be some correlation between a lot of internal problems in our country such as the effects of unemployment, globalisation, capitalism and the fact that we make kneejerk reactions immediately agreeing with the right-wing media. I base this on the findings of hte psychologist Maslow, if anyone is familiar with Maslow, he has this theory called the 'ladder of needs' on which a lot of things in modern psychology are based. Basically, I'm suggesting that because of the regressive, poor bashing, divide encouraging system we have we are lower down on this ladder and not focussed on making things better but to survive, which is the concern i notice when people are so focuessed on their security. That system in turn makes us susceptable to rightwing media which gives governments the public support it requires to support the US, to join in the gangbashing and in the end, to keep things the way they are.

On RATM's videoclip of testify, they have some yank guy saying 'if you dont turn on to politics, teh politics will turn on you' and I'm suggesting that the system itself is responsible for the demotion of activism and political awareness because it pins people to the bottom of maslows ladder.

I'd like to see what peoples opinions on this theory are?

(Edited by Renegade at 11:23 am on Jan. 2, 2002)