Am I a Homophobe? [Archive]

The Feral Underclass

4th February 2004, 14:22

I was going to cut and paste some snipits of what this guy has written but then I thought it would fairer not to do that. I do not want to be accused of bias.

What he is saying epitomizes the attitudes of most people. Homophobia dressed in a liberal out fit. It appears to be logical and open minded, progressive even, but once you scratch below the surfice what these people are actually saying is that homosexuals are different to society and should be treated as such. Not to mention that if any of them dare to open their mouths about it, class them as trouble makers.

It's like the classic american middle class view on black people. If they are living in the suburb, have a nice decent job and family and pay their taxes then they can keep to themselves. However, if they run around talking about how society oppresses them, then they are evil people and trying to force us to accept them in society, when actually people dont think they should.

For gay people it is the same. As long as it is quiet and not talked about. As long as people dont know then it is acceptable. Dont talk about gay oppression, dont open your mouth about your life style or desires because it is in fact not normal and that makes you look to aggressive and that just wouldnt do.

A load of bullshit!!! (http://www.geocities.com/politalk/comment/homophob.htm)

EDIT: Even his choice of the word THEY indicates such contempt. We are not equals, we are seperate to him and what he regards as accetpable!!!

LuZhiming

4th February 2004, 19:03

Originally posted by The Anarchist [email protected] 4 2004, 03:22 PM
EDIT: Even his choice of the word THEY indicates such contempt. We are not equals, we are seperate to him and what he regards as accetpable!!!
I agree with the rest of your statement, but this part is just stupid. Since he and others are not homosexuals, and others are, that means using they would be a correct word choice. Whining over this is ludicrous.

Elect Marx

4th February 2004, 19:52

So how do rape and molestation this relate to homosexuality? Many of us would like to be rich. But we don't steal to get there. We exercise self control. There is a trade off if we crossed that line. Potential Rapists and potential molesters must find an alternative such as help. If any of us give in to our urges, we lose something. For stealing, rape or molest, it will probably be our freedom (and much more). Homosexuals are capable of all of these crimes as well. And to the majority of the homosexuals, they are no more deserving of forgiveness than heterosexuals if they commit these crimes.

This comparison is absurd. Many people steal out of greed, that is how capitalism works, through legalized theft. There is no control system on capitalists and most corporate crime goes unpunished, there is no self control or trade off. Potential Rapists and potential molesters have an actual stigma on them and rightfully so but it is unrightfully worsened if they are homosexual. The irrational targeting of homosexuals for molestation is hardly delt with here and there are no ideas of how to make anything better. Why does it say "the majority of the homosexuals?" Are some more deserving why? If there is an exception, it should be explained.

The Feral Underclass

4th February 2004, 21:52

I agree with the rest of your statement, but this part is just stupid. Since he and others are not homosexuals, and others are, that means using they would be a correct word choice. Whining over this is ludicrous.

Maybe!

Dr. Rosenpenis

4th February 2004, 22:08

This guy a cock-face!
He even admits that he is a homophobe!
I totaly agree with your criticism of these hetero-chauvinists!
It's all very capitalistic, isn't it?
It's all so typical of class-society to admit them as long as they conform and accept all of the bull shit attempts to conciliate their position in society as scum. :angry:
It's really frustrating to know that even some people who claim to be socialy progressive would probably agree with this crap!

Anarchist Freedom

5th February 2004, 22:43

TAT you need to cool off about homophobia ok???

its going to be common place and jumpin peoples shit isnt how to fix it maybe if you showed them that you were normal and didnt hop there shit they would be like oh wow i didnt know why i hate homosexuals.

im just saying TAT dont jump peoples shit unless they really do go gay bashing then its wrong but question if your a homophobe or not is something the person needs to come to on there own.

like myself i used to hate gays but thanx to rise up he showed me the errors of my ways sooo now i support gay rights.....

:che:

CGLM! (http://www.cglm.tk)

Y2A

6th February 2004, 02:24

Originally posted by [email protected] 4 2004, 11:08 PM
This guy a cock-face!
He even admits that he is a homophobe!
I totaly agree with your criticism of these hetero-chauvinists!
It's all very capitalistic, isn't it?
It's all so typical of class-society to admit them as long as they conform and accept all of the bull shit attempts to conciliate their position in society as scum. :angry:
It's really frustrating to know that even some people who claim to be socialy progressive would probably agree with this crap!
Yeeeeeeeaaaaaaahhhhhhh, because we all know that homophobia is part of a capitalist society :rolleyes:, completely ludicrous.

Dr. Rosenpenis

6th February 2004, 02:39

Originally posted by [email protected] 5 2004, 09:24 PM
Yeeeeeeeaaaaaaahhhhhhh, because we all know that homophobia is part of a capitalist society :rolleyes:, completely ludicrous.
Was that a Howard Dean "Yeeeeaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhh", or was it a like a "Yeeeeeaaaaaaahhhhh.... you're stupid"?

Well, it is part of capitalist society.
I'm sure it was also part of feudalistic and nomadic society
I'm just saying that it's reflective of the class society that gays are accepted as long as they accept the place they're told be in.
And not just by coincidence, either.

Y2A

6th February 2004, 03:13

hahahaha, howard dean :lol: , good one. But seriously, don't kid yourself into thinking that an ideal creates this, it just makes you look incredibly partisan.

The Feral Underclass

7th February 2004, 09:36

TAT you need to cool off about homophobia ok???

No I will not cool down about homophobia. Gay oppression exists and should be faught against. For someone who apparently supports gay rights you should understand that.

its going to be common place and jumpin peoples shit isnt how to fix it maybe if you showed them that you were normal and didnt hop there shit they would be like oh wow i didnt know why i hate homosexuals.

It already is common place. That's my point. Homophobia exists in extreme forms but also latent forms like this one. The man was being homophobic and should be told he is. This is a message board. I posted this to show people that there is a general feeling towards homosexuals. Something Michael Moore highleted on in his book 'Stupid White Men' about black people. No one dares say they are homophobic yet expect homosexuals to be in their own place. Subdued and obideient. If we are hard working citizens and keep to ourselves and dont discuss our sexuality then it is fine. But what happens when the age of consent is different for gay men. or the fact we dont have the same legal rights as straight people, or the fact the gay people are being arrested and beaten. Or what happens when we want to speak out at the fact that young gay people are being sent to "correctional facilities" to be rehabilitated. Should we just accept this and get on with our lives, quietly and loyal to hetrosexualism. This is what these opinions would have me do and I dont accept that and neither should you.

I dont have to prove how "normal" I am to anyone. I am gay but that dosnt make me inhuman. The question is not showing people how normal I am but questioning their interpreation of normal.

im just saying TAT dont jump peoples shit unless they really do go gay bashing then its wrong but question if your a homophobe or not is something the person needs to come to on there own.

Homophobia is homophobia! Just because he dosnt use the words faggot or queer and goes around beating on gay people does not make him not homophobic. In fact these people are worse. They hide their homophobia and dress it in liberalism and call it progressive. These people are the quiet homophobes who make the laws and institutionalizes it. These are the intelligent homophobes who control our lives and we have a responsability to jump on them at every given opportunity.

like myself i used to hate gays but thanx to rise up he showed me the errors of my ways sooo now i support gay rights.....

Gay rights is not just about shouting at men and women who use profane words or going on a gay pride march every few years. Supporting gay rights is not just saying "i now like gay people so support gay rights."

Fighting for gay rights is forcing people like this to justify their opinions. Supporting gay rights is discussing hard and complicated arguments with liberals and conservatives. To support gay rights you have to understand exactly what gay oppression is. it is not simply being called names. It is being legislated against it is being turned into second class citizens which in effect we are. There is an apartied going on across the world. Even the fact that coming out is so difficult and so many people dont do it is evidence enough that this world does not want to accept homosexuals. Be it the Nazi on the street or the liberal in their sports club. There is a long way to go to free gay people.

kylieII

10th February 2004, 10:43

Originally posted by LuZhiming+Feb 4 2004, 08:03 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (LuZhiming @ Feb 4 2004, 08:03 PM)
The Anarchist [email protected] 4 2004, 03:22 PM
EDIT: Even his choice of the word THEY indicates such contempt. We are not equals, we are seperate to him and what he regards as accetpable!!!
I agree with the rest of your statement, but this part is just stupid. Since he and others are not homosexuals, and others are, that means using they would be a correct word choice. Whining over this is ludicrous. [/b]
Yes. I suppose instead when talking we are meant to say, 'I am opposed to Same Sex People In A Relationship getting married because Same Sex People In A Relationship are in the bible opposed and so Same Sex People In A Relationship with marriage being a religious tradition should not be allowed to participate in it, because to do so Same Sex People In A Relationship would be going against another part of the bible, although Same Sex People In A Relationship still should be allowed to be couples as it is Same Sex People In A Relationships own choice'
(this not being my view, it is just an example, so dont go stabbing me in the face or anything)
You arguement could apply to anything. When reffering to a person whose name has already been established, it should be possible to use 'they'. Its the entire point of the word. For instance if talking about a friend and I say 'yes they already left' it is not negative or separating myself from them in any way.

edit: took out a little freudian slip :wub:

RedCeltic

10th February 2004, 14:07

Originally posted by Socialist [email protected] 5 2004, 05:43 PM
TAT you need to cool off about homophobia ok???

its going to be common place and jumpin peoples shit isnt how to fix it maybe if you showed them that you were normal and didnt hop there shit they would be like oh wow i didnt know why i hate homosexuals.

im just saying TAT dont jump peoples shit unless they really do go gay bashing then its wrong but question if your a homophobe or not is something the person needs to come to on there own.

like myself i used to hate gays but thanx to rise up he showed me the errors of my ways sooo now i support gay rights.....

:che:

CGLM! (http://www.cglm.tk)
Calm down about it? I think it's a shame that more people don't attack homophobia on che-lives! I agree with TAT 100% on this one. Homophobia is disgusting, and just as unaceptable as racism and sexism.

In the Sixties when they forced desegrigation in the south, would you have been against it because it may, "make them hate blacks even more?"

I think that people need to be challanged on the ideas that they about different people. Many times we reflect the society that we live in, and ldeas like homophobia or racism, really aren't well thought out... but rather it's what they are used to.

Dr. Rosenpenis

10th February 2004, 22:37

Originally posted by [email protected] 10 2004, 09:07 AM
Calm down about it? I think it's a shame that more people don't attack homophobia on che-lives! I agree with TAT 100% on this one. Homophobia is disgusting, and just as unaceptable as racism and sexism.

In the Sixties when they forced desegrigation in the south, would you have been against it because it may, "make them hate blacks even more?"

I think that people need to be challanged on the ideas that they about different people. Many times we reflect the society that we live in, and ldeas like homophobia or racism, really aren't well thought out... but rather it's what they are used to.
Exactly, man!
People treat homophobia way too lightly.
Just like they treat gender chauvinism too lightly.
Particlurly by arguing that femenists and anti-homophobes take their struggle too seriously.
Most don't even see that as an attack on our fight, but it is!
It's an insult that they refuse to acknowlege the unjust oppression.

The Children of the Revolution

10th February 2004, 23:40

I didn't think it was that bad to be honest. The guy was clearly a prat; he couldn't spell and made silly grammatical errors... But I actually found myself agreeing with some of his statements.

I find it interesting that female homosexuality is often regarded in completely different ways.

I have heard that women become homosexual after being raped or molested. I have heard statements by men that after being sodomized (that) they no longer felt that they could be heterosexual. These are social conditions that I believe can contribute to a person being homosexual.

If a man is attracted to females, he can't understand why a man would be attracted to a man. And since it isn't natural to him, he doesn't want to know. Likewise, a man who love's women cannot understand why a man would rape a woman.

Homosexuality is not normal. Normality is a subjective average. In the world of humans the vast majority are heterosexual. So that is the "Norm". It is neither right nor wrong. It is merely what is normal.

This was just within the opening paragraphs.

I must admit, I find the idea of homosexuality repulsive. That is to say, I could never engage in it. I do indeed find females "attractive" as opposed to other men. But as long as I'm not involved, I don't particularly care. As this guy suggests, it isn't normal. Yet I don't see it as "wrong" or "un-natural" - I just don't want any part in it personally.

I agree that the guy is a moron, however.

"He was a man of small stature. But I did have at least one nightmare because of my knowledge that he was a homosexual."

"I fear the agenda, not the individuals."

The Feral Underclass

11th February 2004, 00:14

The Children of the Revolution

It's you again!

I find it interesting that female homosexuality is often regarded in completely different ways.

That's because the world is dominated by straight men who have the power to reduce women to sexual objects. Society grasps gay women based on the standard set by those in power.

If a man is attracted to females, he can't understand why a man would be attracted to a man.

If you are talking about specific physical and emotional desires then no, I am sure this is not the case. But no one expects you to understand that. But other than that there isnt a great deal to understand. Gay men like men, gay women like women, straight men like women, straight women like men. Not rocket science.

And since it isn't natural to him, he doesn't want to know.

Why is he making this point? No one expects straight men to want to know about homosexual sex. Straight men are straight. Why would they need to concern themselves with homosexual sex. This is once of those classic defensive lines spewed out by repressed homosexuals. "It's all ok, as long as it dosnt effect me" some how giving himself the belief that the entire sexual urges of every gay man are directed towards him. No one is asking him to want to know. It's a pretty stupid and illogical point to make.

Homosexuality is not normal.

It is interesting why this point has to be made. What is it proofing? Is he tryng to rationalize his distain for gay people? What is he trying to achieve by making this conclusion?

I must admit, I find the idea of homosexuality repulsive.

Well, you dont really have a right to make such a judgment. Why do you find it necessary to say things like that? How can you say such a disgusting thing about something which is a part of my life. You feel empowered to say because hetrosexuality is the "norm." You think it is ok to make such a judgement because it is a proven fact that the majority of people are straight. You feel comfortable with degrading and vilifying someones lifestyle because you have the power to do so. This is a disgracful thing to say and very hurtful..

I could never engage in it. I do indeed find females "attractive" as opposed to other men. But as long as I'm not involved, I don't particularly care.

What I find so fascinating is the fact that you feel so compelled to say this. Why should anyone care about this. Why do you feel the need to say it? This is the problem with people. Instead of just allowing people to live freely and accepting those differences as a normal part of society, they create distinctions. They reiterate their own life styles in an attempt to do what?

Why do you have to say "if im not involved" as if you were bing forced to be. Like it was so thing you were trying to defend yourself against. I just dont udnerstand?

Yet I don't see it as "wrong" or "un-natural" - I just don't want any part in it personally.

No one is asking you to have any part in it. What's your pont?

dark fairy

11th February 2004, 04:09

it is understandable why someone would be homophobic i mean "they're everywhere"-my friend... and at times it does feel like that everyday there is more acceptance and then at the same time more hate is being brewed {man i can't spell} and it is understandable "I" {person that doesn't get freaked out about anything } feels weird when i go to school i mean just last week there was these two dikes making out... i forgot where i was going with this fuck ok that's my say... :unsure:

The Feral Underclass

11th February 2004, 07:08

it is understandable why someone would be homophobic i mean "they're everywhere"-

Why would someone be homophobic just because there are lots of hay people?

and at times it does feel like that everyday there is more acceptance

Are you saying that's a bad thing?

at the same time more hate is being brewed {man i can't spell} and it is understandable

You havent really made it clear why you think it is understandbable? Please tell me.

i go to school i mean just last week there was these two dikes making out

Homophobia will not be tolerated on this board. Why do you think it is acceptable to use homophobic language?

i forgot where i was going with this fuck ok that's my say..

Then next time, try and be a little more clear about what your saying.

The Children of the Revolution

11th February 2004, 16:20

The Children of the Revolution

It's you again!

Huh?? Again?? What was the first time?? When I suggested that Leninism was preferable to anarchism?? You're attacking me for being RIGHT?? :lol:

Gay men like men, gay women like women, straight men like women, straight women like men. Not rocket science.

I do not "like" men. I am not attracted to men. But I have many male friends. What are you trying to say here?

Well, you dont really have a right to make such a judgment. Why do you find it necessary to say things like that? How can you say such a disgusting thing about something which is a part of my life. You feel empowered to say because hetrosexuality is the "norm." You think it is ok to make such a judgement because it is a proven fact that the majority of people are straight. You feel comfortable with degrading and vilifying someones lifestyle because you have the power to do so. This is a disgracful thing to say and very hurtful..

I have every right to say whatever the hell I want. I can make a judgement on anything I choose, whether it is considered taboo or not. I can suggest that Catholicism is also repulsive. I hate it. (Let me guess, I'm a closet Catholic too?) It may indeed be a part of someones life, but why does that concern me? Why do you care what I think? Following your argument, there would never be any ideas thrown around, no-one could say a word for fear of insulting someone. You can call heterosexuality foul and depraved if you like. I shan't care...

The Feral Underclass

12th February 2004, 18:14

Huh?? Again?? What was the first time?? When I suggested that Leninism was preferable to anarchism?? You're attacking me for being RIGHT??

A leninist a christian and now a homophobe...could it be any worse!

I do not "like" men. I am not attracted to men. But I have many male friends. What are you trying to say here?

You said you agreed with the point that straight men (in particular) wouldnt understand why a gay man would like a man. My point was, what is there to understand.

I have every right to say whatever the hell I want. I can make a judgement on anything I choose, whether it is considered taboo or not. I can suggest that Catholicism is also repulsive. I hate it.

Do you not understand how outragously offensive that is to me and the gay community. Why would you have to say it? Catholcism is a right wing oppressive doctrine. Homosexual sex is an expression of love or desire between two human beings and are not comparable at all. Why can you not accept that two men may want to have sex with each other without calling it names? Why can you not accept your sexuality and be indifferent to others. Why do you have to be repulsed by it? What is this anger or disgust you have with homosexulaity?

may indeed be a part of someones life, but why does that concern me?

Me having sex with my partner dosnt concern you. What does concern you is when you start using words like disgusting and repulsive. It is extremly offensive and not very open minded.

Why do you care what I think?

Your apparent outrage at homosexuality obviously matters to you.

Following your argument, there would never be any ideas thrown around, no-one could say a word for fear of insulting someone.

You do not have a right to call my love to my partner disgusting or repulsive. It is out of order. Do you not see how homophobic these comments are. If you had said it to my face I would have punch you!

You can call heterosexuality foul and depraved if you like. I shan't care...

Why would I? Why would I belittle and degrade your expression of love. I just wouldnt do it. I accept your sexuality and I think it is fine. I think the way straight people have sex is fine for straight people and a wonderful thing. I wouldnt dream of offending you in such a way. Your opinions are not what normal left wing, progressive people would think. Maybe there is something more sinister.

The Children of the Revolution

13th February 2004, 14:27

A leninist a christian and now a homophobe...could it be any worse!

Ah. So it's ok for you to attack my Religion? Like you attack Catholicism? "Catholcism is a right wing oppressive doctrine." Ok. I agree. But if people follow it, if they believe in it, how can you possibly justify calling it oppressive? I bet many people find it liberating...

You do not have a right to call my love to my partner disgusting or repulsive. It is out of order. Do you not see how homophobic these comments are. If you had said it to my face I would have punch you!

Hah! I bet some fundamentalist Catholics would do the same!! Heathen!!!

Your opinions are not what normal left wing, progressive people would think. Maybe there is something more sinister.

Yes. Of course there is. I actually lead a cult which goes around cleansing the Earth of filth. Obviously, you fall into that category. As well as Jews, all women, people with blonde hair, and guys called "Steve".

Don't be stupid!! You're taking this far too seriously!! Peace, man - I have no qualms with whatever it is you, or anyone, does - but I don't want to do it myself!! Just like I don't want to go and be a Catholic!! Ok??

The Feral Underclass

13th February 2004, 15:11

I bet some fundamentalist Catholics would do the same!!

Answer the fucking question? Do you think it is acceptable to be so offensive? If so why?

Don't be stupid!! You're taking this far too seriously!! Peace, man

This is what makes me so angry. You refer to my expression of love for my partner disgusting and repulsive then why i get offended by it and ask you to justify your position you call me stupid and accuse me of taking it too seriously. Did you or did you not mean what you said? If you didnt, apologise. If you did, then asnwer the fucking question. Why do you think it is acceptable to degrade my form of love and be so god damn offensive?!?!?!

This is the problem with che-lives. As soon as someone goes against the consensus on chilled outness you are attacked for taking everything too seriously. It creates a fear of saying anything. I am to afraid to voice my contempt for peoples beliefs because I will be branded over sensitive or "crying wolf" or what ever the expressions have been.

I take homophobia seriously, I am sorry, maybe it's just me, but I dont think it is acceptable to say the things you said and thus far you havent attempted to justify why you said them.

This is what this whole thread was about. Gay people are allowed to be gay but as soon as someone says anything and they get offended then they are being way to serious. Maybe I should not my place. Maybe I shouldnt be offended? I should just accept this bullshit because i'm gay?...oh dear, i'm overreacting again...silly old me...how dare I be offended!!!

I have no qualms with whatever it is you, or anyone, does

Then why do you have to be so offensive. Why do you even have to think about it.

but I don't want to do it myself

Why are you even saying this. This thread was never about what you wanted or how you wanted to have sex. it was about some twat on the internet being a homophobe. It has no relevance to your sexual preferance. Why do you have to mention it.

The Children of the Revolution

15th February 2004, 01:40

You refer to my expression of love for my partner disgusting and repulsive then why i get offended by it and ask you to justify your position you call me stupid and accuse me of taking it too seriously.

My comment was directed at your suggestion that "maybe there is something more sinister". You make it sound like I'm a member of some fascist cult or something. Like i'm Lucifer himself... Which, of course, i'm not.

Why are you even saying this. This thread was never about what you wanted or how you wanted to have sex.

I was giving a personal opinion on the subject - is that no longer allowed?

If you didnt, apologise. If you did, then asnwer the fucking question. Why do you think it is acceptable to degrade my form of love and be so god damn offensive?!?!?!

Like I said, I wasn't making an attack on homosexuality at all. I quote (myself) "I don't see it as wrong or un-natural". But I stand by my original (inflammatory) statement - I, personally, find it repulsive. I find many things repulsive. I can't stand eating squid, bananas, or liver. They make me puke. Yet this doesn't impact on other people's rights to enjoy eating squid, bananas or liver does it?

If it does, I may just have inadvertantly offended most of the world... Oh well, happens all the time... Homosexuality is simply something I want nothing to do with - why is this such a problem?

The Feral Underclass

15th February 2004, 12:18

I was giving a personal opinion on the subject - is that no longer allowed?....
Homosexuality is simply something I want nothing to do with - why is this such a problem?

It isn't a problem and Nobody said you had to have anything to do with homosexuality!!! What I dont understand is why the whole question of homosexuality is reduced down to whether or not you would want anything to do with it. Yes of course you can give your opinion, but what does this certain opinion have any relevance to? It certainly has no relevance to this thread. I am not attacking your right to state your opinion, I am attacking your motives for stating it. I dont understand why you felt obliged to share this fact with everyone?

I have no problem if you are straight, in fact, I dont care. What I find problamatic is your insistance to make it abundantly clear how disgusting and repulsive you find homosexuality. What is it about homosexuality you find so repulsive and disgusting?

Like I said, I wasn't making an attack on homosexuality at all

"I find the idea of homosexuality repulsive"

"I, personally, find it [homosexuality] repulsive."

Danton

15th February 2004, 12:30

Originally posted by The Children of the [email protected] 15 2004, 02:40 AM
I stand by my original (inflammatory) statement - I, personally, find it repulsive. I find many things repulsive. I can't stand eating squid, bananas, or liver. They make me puke. Yet this doesn't impact on other people's rights to enjoy eating squid, bananas or liver does it?

If it does, I may just have inadvertantly offended most of the world... Oh well, happens all the time... Homosexuality is simply something I want nothing to do with - why is this such a problem?
Repulsive?

Your provincial attitudes smack of ignorance and repression, what exactly do you find repulsive, men? The male form disturbs you? The act of love?

Or is it sex in general? It comes over as insecurity when you declare your hetrosexuality so vehemently, whilst saying the activities of others, "repel" you is an indication of a disturbed mind, I could've understand if you just said it wasn't to your taste...

As a leftist it is your duty to fight the oppression of minorities.. And your attitude does have an impact, how do you think gay people feel about being called repellant?

I agree though, liver is vile... But I would'nt say that to it's face, it's offensive

The Children of the Revolution

15th February 2004, 13:46

I agree though, liver is vile... But I would'nt say that to it's face, it's offensive

Lol! :lol:

It comes over as insecurity when you declare your hetrosexuality so vehemently, whilst saying the activities of others, "repel" you is an indication of a disturbed mind, I could've understand if you just said it wasn't to your taste...

So now I'm crazy?? Thanks. I used the term "repulsive" because I think it's a groovy word. Like "vehemently". I like to use polysylabic terms when I write, too. Next time I think I'll stick to "bad".

As a leftist it is your duty to fight the oppression of minorities.. And your attitude does have an impact, how do you think gay people feel about being called repellant?

I'm not calling gay people repellant!! If it seems like I am, (I can feel another "Quote" coming along...) remember IT'S ONLY MY OPINION. I also hold the opinion that Nazis are scum. How do you think they'd feel if I told them this?? Nazis are, after all, an oppressed minority... Poor little buggers...

Yes of course you can give your opinion, but what does this certain opinion have any relevance to? It certainly has no relevance to this thread.

The thread: "Am I a Homophobe?"
Your accusations: "I am a Homophobe!"

You're right, I see a huge difference. Ignorant of me, really. I should be flogged repeatedly for this blatant transgression. :blink: Stating my own sexual preference was part of my own attempt to reach a judgement on the text...

The Feral Underclass

15th February 2004, 14:28

I used the term "repulsive" because I think it's a groovy word. Like "vehemently".

Why dont you just admit you're wrong and apologise instead of coming up with half arsed justifications.

I also hold the opinion that Nazis are scum

How is this comparable?

The thread: "Am I a Homophobe?"
Your accusations: "I am a Homophobe!"

It is very strange how you make these conclusions in your mind. All I have done is ask some fvery simple questions. As you're the one who said it, it shouldnt be so complicated to answer. You stated your opinion, now justify it. Your comments are not consistent or easily understandable. Let me ask the questions again..

Why did you feel it necessary to say that homosexuality was repulsive?
What is it about homosexuality you find repulsive?
Why did you feel it necessary to affirm your sexuality to everyone?

You're right, I see a huge difference. Ignorant of me, really. I should be flogged repeatedly for this blatant transgression. Stating my own sexual preference was part of my own attempt to reach a judgement on the text...

The thread was titled the way it was because that was the title the author gave his writing. The thread was not about whether people were homophobic but about the types of homophobia which exist. Liberal homophobia being the focal point. Your sexual preferance, like mine and all ther others in this thread, is irrelevant and altogether pointless to add to the thread. I do not see how this statement:

I must admit, I find the idea of homosexuality repulsive. That is to say, I could never engage in it. I do indeed find females "attractive" as opposed to other men. But as long as I'm not involved, I don't particularly care.

is relevant to anything.

The Children of the Revolution

15th February 2004, 16:04

You do not have a right to call my love to my partner disgusting or repulsive. It is out of order.

Your sexual preferance, like mine and all ther others in this thread, is irrelevant

So why are you taking things so personally?

Why dont you just admit you're wrong and apologise instead of coming up with half arsed justifications.

I was attacked for my use of the word "repulsive"!! So I'll justify its use all I want, thank you!!

"I also hold the opinion that Nazis are scum."
"How is this comparable?"

Well, it's an opinion of mine. I find Nazis "repulsive". Hah! But you don't complain about this; I'm guessing because you agree. Tensions and disagreements are a part of the world, as well as a part of your name...

I'm going to ask you a question now.

What do you feel about Sado-Masochism? (I don't know if I've spelt it right mind you...) Is this perfectly acceptable; should it be tolerated? If both "parties" are willing, what's the problem? But, like many, (HOPEFULLY!!) I view it as offensive and want no part in it. I would go as far as to say that it is "repulsive". Foul. Depraved. This is another opinion of mine - do you share it?

Why did you feel it necessary to say that homosexuality was repulsive?
What is it about homosexuality you find repulsive?
Why did you feel it necessary to affirm your sexuality to everyone?

1. In a thread about Homophobia, I thought I'd offer my own valuable insight...

2. The "details". The "specifics". Also, (I realise that I may be inviting further verbal wrath by saying this) I can't stand "campness". Graham Norton for example. The tit. [THE FOLLOWING I DO NOT FIND REPULSIVE] In general, (though OBVIOUSLY not in every case) I don't get on with gay people. Just like I don't get on with loudmouths. Or Everton supporters.

3. This was part of my initial response - which was to agree with some of what the nutter was saying. You seem to be obsessed with this question; what is it you WANT me to say?

revolutionindia

15th February 2004, 16:17

Why are people so obbsessed with homosexuals
this is the 4th thread on homosexulaity
i have come across in the last 10 minutes

Guys try being hetero for sometime and it is not all that bad

Homosexuals do not deserve so much attention on a leftist board
let them live life like they want to
all this discussing does no good to them

The Feral Underclass

15th February 2004, 18:00

The Children of the Revolution

So why are you taking things so personally

The world we live in oppresses and persecutes gay people. Coming out is a very difficult thing to do in the first instance, then to take all the shit that comes with it, beatings, verbal abuse, legislation against, is also very hard to deal with. Homosexuality defines me as a person. It is who I am. Unfortunatly, it dictates who and how I have relationships with my friends. My sexuality is used as a term of offence or to describe something which is bad or wrong. I don't expect you to understand how it feels to be gay. You can not know how if feels.

When I fall in love and express that love with that person it is supposed to be a beautiful thing between two people. You are calling it repulsive and disgusting. How can I not take that personally. I am gay. It is what I am, to hear this effects me.

Well, it's an opinion of mine. I find Nazis "repulsive". Hah! But you don't complain about this; I'm guessing because you agree. Tensions and disagreements are a part of the world, as well as a part of your name...

You said Nazi's were scum in the context of giving your opinions on homosexuality.

Yes I agree that nazis are repulsive and are scum, but I do not think that homosexuality and nazism are comparable. Nazism is a Fascist ideology which seeks to exterminte races it deems inferior where as homosexuality is a sexual preferance between two people who love each other or who desire each other. Something which is niether disgusting or acted on by scum.

What do you feel about Sado-Masochism? (I don't know if I've spelt it right mind you...) Is this perfectly acceptable; should it be tolerated? If both "parties" are willing, what's the problem? But, like many, (HOPEFULLY!!) I view it as offensive and want no part in it. I would go as far as to say that it is "repulsive". Foul. Depraved. This is another opinion of mine - do you share it?

I certainly do not share your opinion. It is extremly right wing and conservative. Nothing which two consenting adults choose to do is "repulsive," "foul" or "depraved." It has nothing to do with me or you and we have no right to state such an opinion.

1. In a thread about Homophobia, I thought I'd offer my own valuable insight...

It was irrelevant.

I can't stand "campness".

Why?

I don't get on with gay people.

For god sake why?

what is it you WANT me to say?

I am sorry, but I think you're a homophobe. I am sure you do not want to admit, or like to admit it. You are just like the guy who wrote this article. You dont mind gay people, as long as they keep to themselves. This is liberal homophobia. This is the homophobia of the politicians who legislate against us. This is the "intelligent" homophobia. This is what is repulsive.