Transitional State

[For The Revolution]

What are peoples views on a transitional state if there happened to be a revolution? Would you be worried if there was an autonomous state next to you and you abolished the state? Plz talk about why or why not you support a transition state.

[Blake's Baby]

I don't really know what you mean by 'support' a transitional state.

Do you 'support' gravity? Or do you just get on with your life knowing it exists?

You can't have 'a bit of statelessness' surrounded by states. Either your state collapses allowing other states to take over your former-state like a bubble bursting in the midst of a mass of other bubbles where the volume is taken up by the surrounding bubbles adjusting their borders (so, no statelessness) or your state survives and fights off other aggressor states. A state is an organisation in a territory of a ruling class; it's dependant on class relations, and it also depends on the other states around it.

So will there be a 'state' following the revolution? If you think 'the X-revolution' happens in one place and 'the Y-revolution' happens elsewhere and 'the Z-revolution' somewhere else again, then yes there will be states in X, Y and Z after the revolution.

If you think the revolution is process that engulfs X Y and Z, then no, 'after the revolution' means when the whole world is in the hands of the working class. There will be no state 'after' because there will be no more divisions of property so there will be no more divisions of class and so there will be no more division into states. Through collectivising everything, in bringing everything into the control of everyone, and through bringing everyone into the processes of both production and decision-making, the working class does away with itself along with the material basis of 'states'.

There will be 'states' in X and Y and Z, but only as long as they are X and Y and Z. When they are merely geographical parts of the world human community, there will be no possibility of a state.

[For The Revolution]

If there happened to be a revolution would you have a transitional state or abolish the state immediately? Please include why or why not?

[Q]

Moved from /intro to /learning.

[Brutus]

It's not "what I would have", but it's what the material conditions necessitate. The state is a symptom of class society- one class must enforce it's rule over another. So until the roots of the state are destroyed (i.e. classes are abolished) there will be a state in one form or another. Once classes are gone, the state dies. It isn't a choice, it's a fact.

[Q]

Merged both threads into one.