Martin Luther King Jr.

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[Saint-Just]

He was a great civil rights leader, but he had a bad personal life. Does anyone have knowledge as to why his personal life was not exposed. The FBI surveilled him and collected the evidence against him but it was never released.

[STI]

I've been told that he beat his wife and had a bunch of prostitutes, but i don't really believe it, as the guy who told me is, put bluntly, a 'capitalist whoremonger'

[Intifada]

kkk red necks say that he was a pedophile aswell. i wouldnt believe everything said about his personal life. apparently he was anti-semetic too, anyone got info about that?

[STI]

Heh, well, on Blues Brothers, the Nazis said that the Jews were using the blacks and the civil rights movement to muscle- around the whites.

.... utter bullshit, of course.

[Xvall]

Anti-Semetic? He made a public speech encouraging people not to be anti-semetic. The only people I know of that claim that he was a pedophile/pimp/anti-christ are those owned by Stormfront.

[RedCeltic]

MLK is still a pretty imprtant symbol for the black community in the United States, so it only stands to reason that some would want to take his image down a peg, by attacking his personal life.

Most of the stuff said here in this thread seems completly outragious and I'm highly sceptical of it.

The Anti-semitic thing, was a hoax, but actually it was the other way around.

There was a quote produced that was supposedly by Martin Luther King Jr. in a letter to an anti-Zionist friend and it was used to say that the Anti-Zionists are in fact Anti-semitic.


"... You declare, my friend; that you do not hate the Jews, you are merely 'anti-Zionist' ... And I say, let the truth ring forth from the high mountain tops, let it echo through the valleys of God's green earth: When people criticize Zionism, they mean Jews... Anti-Semitism, the hatred of the Jewish people, has been and remains a blot on the soul of mankind. In this we are in full agreement. So know also this: anti-Zionist is inherently anti-Semitic, and ever will be so."

That quote, seems as if Martin Luther King Jr. is supporting the present state of Israel, and it's actions and policies to Palistine.

What King really said is this:


Martin Luther King addressed the issue in 1968, in a speech at Harvard when he said:

".. You declare, my friend, that you do not hate the Jews, you are merely 'anti-Zionist.' ...When people criticize Zionism, they mean Jews... And what is anti-Zionist? It is the denial to the Jewish people of a fundamental right that we justly claim for the people of Africa and freely accord all other nations of the Globe...When people criticize Zionism, they mean Jews--make no mistake about it."

At the time, the debate against Zionism wasn't the policies of the state of Israel, but if there should be one.




Here's a good article about the hoax:Israel Lobby Watch (http://electronicintifada.net/v2/article2356.shtml)

[Hampton]

Pedophile? No. Anti-Semetic? It was proven that the "Letter to an Anti-Zionist Friend" that surfaced a while ago was proved to be fake. Intresting article on it here. (http://electronicintifada.net/v2/article2356.shtml) But he did have a seedy personal life. It was known in his inner circle to have nights in hotels with certain women that were not his wife, how the FBI had mics in those rooms is anyones guess although it does get your mind thinking.

Anyway, here's a picture.

[Rastafari]

First off, let me remind you all that leaders of far-right wing groups have a very high incidence of pedophilia.

http://www.internationalanswer.org/images/mlkjr.jpg
this one really struck me.

[Saint-Just]

I read that Malcom X and Elijah Muhammed were anti-Semitic. I also read that those things about MLK, although not anti-Semitism (all in liberal bourgeois books). Historians write about their view of history and then find facts to substantiate their view, more or less anyway. So you can't tell what is true very often.


I've been told that he beat his wife and had a bunch of prostitutes, but i don't really believe it, as the guy who told me is, put bluntly, a 'capitalist whoremonger'

I read this in the books of bourgeois historians. Not necessarily true though. He may have had a bad character but he did many great things.

[Hampton]

Some quotes by Malcolm on the topic of being anti-semitic:


Malcolm X: [Responding to the question of what he would say to critics who deride his movement as black supremacist, anti-Semitic, and hatred-teaching.] No, this is done by those who are guilty of all those things that you just -- the counterpart of all those things you just mentioned. The white people who are guilty of white supremacy try and hide their own guilt by accusing the Honorable Elijah Muhammad of teaching black supremacy when he tries to uplift the mentality, the social, mental, economic condition of black people in this country.

And Jews, who have been guilty of exploiting the black people in this country, economically, civically, and otherwise, hide behind -- hide their guilt by accusing the Honorable Elijah Muhammad of teaching -- of being anti-Semitic, simply because he teaches our people to go into business for ourselves, and try and take over the economic leadership in our own community.

And this other thing -- white supremacy, anti-Semitism, and what was the other one?

Link (http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/amex/mlk/sfeature/sf_video_pop_03_tr_qry.html)


Anybody that gives even a just criticism of the Jew is instantly labeled anti-Semite. The Jew cries louder than anybody else if anybody criticizes him. You can tell the truth about any minority in America, but make a true observation about the Jew, and if it doesn't pat him on the back, then he uses his grip on the news media to label you anti-Semite. Let me say just a word about the Jew and the black man. The Jew is always anxious to advise the black man. But they never advise him how to solve his problem the way the Jews solved their problem. The Jew never went sitting-in and crawling-in and sliding-in and freedom-riding, like he teaches and helps Negroes to do. The Jews stood up, and stood together, and they used their ultimate power, the economic weapon. That's exactly what the Honorable Elijah Muhammad is trying to teach black men to do. The Jews pooled their money and bought the hotels that barred them. They bought Atlantic City and Miami Beach and anything else they wanted. Who owns Hollywood? Who runs the garment industry, the largest industry in New York City? But the Jew that's advising the Negro joins the NAACP, CORE, the Urban League, and others. With money donations, the Jew gains control, then he sends the black man doing all this wading-in, boring-in, even burying-in--everything but buying-in. Never shows him how to set up factories and hotels. Never advises him how to own what he wants. No, when there's something worth owning, the Jew's got it. Walk up and down in any Negro ghetto in America. Ninety percent of the worthwhile businesses you see are Jew-owned. Every night they take the money out. This helps the black man's community stay a ghetto.

Link (http://malcolmx.biz/malcolm-x/malcolm-x-biography-college-picture-speech-autobiography-quote-movie-assassination-13.shtml)


True Islam taught me that it takes all of the religious, political, economic, psychological, and racial ingredients, or characteristics, to make the Human Family and the Human Society complete.

Since I learned the truth in Mecca, my dearest friends have come to include all kinds -- some Christians, Jews, Buddhists, Hindus, agnostics, and even atheists! I have friends who are called capitalists, Socialists, and Communists! Some of my friends are moderates, conservatives, extremists -- some are even Uncle Toms! My friends today are black, brown, red, yellow, and white!

I said to my Harlem street audiences that only when mankind would submit to the One God who created all -- only then would mankind even approach the "peace" of which so much talk could be heard...but toward which so little action was seen.

Link (http://www.thetruereligion.org/malcolmx.htm)

With Malcolm I think it's hard to make a sweeping judgement either way because there are some things that you have to take into consideration. When he got back from Mecca he was a diffrent man, but, he was only that man for a year then he was murdered. The majority of Malcolm's earlier speeches were filled with NOI rhetoric, anti-white sentiments and other such things, but one can only assume what he would have said.

Some quotes by Minister Louis Farrakhan here. (http://www.adl.org/special_reports/farrakhan_own_words/on_jews.asp)

[Saint-Just]

I do not think that is anti-Semitic. Those are fair criticisms of Jews, as a group, in the U.S. If he were anti-Semitic I think he would have called Jews racists. It is a fairly mild criticism really.

[Edelweiss]

Originally posted by Chairman [email protected] 5 2004, 09:08 PM
I do not think that is anti-Semitic. Those are fair criticisms of Jews, as a group, in the U.S. If he were anti-Semitic I think he would have called Jews racists. It is a fairly mild criticism really.
fairly mild criticism? You must be kidding, if not, I'm pretty worried now about your own views now...The quotes, especially the second one, are classic and pure anti-semitism, and includes nearly ALL anti-semitic clishees, like "the Jews run Hollywood", "Jews are greedy", generally it is the old anti-semitic story of Jews controlling the economy. A truely reactionary criticsm of capitalism. Also, he whole language is racist (he constantly speaks of "the Jew").
I do respect MLK for what he did. Nevertheless it would be a bold lye to claim that those quotes are not anti-semitic, it is very obvios that they are.

[RedCeltic]

Originally posted by [email protected] 5 2004, 01:28 PM
I do respect MLK for what he did. Nevertheless it would be a bold lye to claim that those quotes are not anti-semitic, it is very obvios that they are.
I will agree that the second quote does seem very anti-semitic, however I believe he was quoting Malcom X and not MLK.

[Edelweiss]

Originally posted by RedCeltic+Feb 5 2004, 10:08 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (RedCeltic @ Feb 5 2004, 10:08 PM)
[email protected] 5 2004, 01:28 PM
I do respect MLK for what he did. Nevertheless it would be a bold lye to claim that those quotes are not anti-semitic, it is very obvios that they are.
I will agree that the second quote does seem very anti-semitic, however I believe he was quoting Malcom X and not MLK. [/b]
Sorry, my bad....I don&#39;t know why I wrote MLK instead of Malcolc....

[RedAnarchist]

MLK was neither a paedophile, a prostitute-user or a wife-beater. He is an hero to the African-Americans and to the civil rights movements across the globe.

[Saint-Just]

Originally posted by [email protected] 5 2004, 07:28 PM
fairly mild criticism? You must be kidding, if not, I&#39;m pretty worried now about your own views now...The quotes, especially the second one, are classic and pure anti-semitism, and includes nearly ALL anti-semitic clishees, like "the Jews run Hollywood", "Jews are greedy", generally it is the old anti-semitic story of Jews controlling the economy. A truely reactionary criticsm of capitalism. Also, he whole language is racist (he constantly speaks of "the Jew").
I do respect MLK for what he did. Nevertheless it would be a bold lye to claim that those quotes are not anti-semitic, it is very obvios that they are.
It is true that those who are anti-Semitic use these criticisms. It is a difficult subject. I am not anti-Semitic though. However, he is right in suggesting that Jews in America do tend to label people anti-Semitic rather easily. At present they are caying that there is an anti-Semitism epidemic in Europe:

&#39;European press that increasingly reads like the worst Arab press&#39; -Thomas Friedman, New York Times November 2003

&#39;In Europe it is not very safe to be a Jew&#39; -Charles Krauthammer, Washington Post, 2004

&#39;[anti-Semitism in Europe]has become the second - and final? - phase of the struggle for a final solution to the Jewish question&#39; -George Will, Washington Post, 2004

&#39;[the world faces &#39;as great a threat to the safety and the security of the Jewish people as the one we faced in the 1930s - if not a greater one&#39; -Abraham Foxman, Anti-Defamation League

You know as well as I that there is not this kind of problem in Europe. The Jewish lobby in America does have strong influence, undoubtedly. They do well in business and occasionally they use their weight to push their own nationalist agendas on Israel. They are criticising Europe because some of Europe takes a more balanced stance to the Israel-Palestine conflict.

I think the points on which you could accuse Malcom X of being anti-Semitic would be his motives for saying what he is saying. Perhaps he has become anti-Semitic because of the friction between Islam and Judaism. He does say, &#39;the Jew&#39;, but he also says &#39;the black man&#39;, I don&#39;t know if that makes what he is saying sound racist.

Look at the last quote, he is clearly not trying to peddle anti-Semitism in what that. I think you may well be right. Following the Diaspora there was a mentality within Jews that they would look after other Jews and marry-in and so on. And now, the Jews in business and politics will often pursue their own agendas at the expense of others. It does make one sound anti-Semitic saying such a thing.

[LiquidX]

Theres alot of specualtion surrounding MLK. I did alot of investigative reaserch into his life and death in years past. Theres just way too much surrounding him, but from what I know I believe he had a mistress which he confided to several of his best friends...he said that was the only thing the FBI had on him, the only dirt on him so to speak. So without further ado: