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Hiero
3rd February 2004, 07:20
Do you beleive that somethings are unexplainable. I know this sounds stupid but alot of the time mainly in class i think of something or know something and i cant explian it. Is it really that i havent acutally thought of something or i cant explain because of lack vocabulary or becuase what i have thought is unexplainable.
Zanzibar
3rd February 2004, 08:24
nope
RedAnarchist
3rd February 2004, 08:27
Anything and everything can be explained.
iloveatomickitten
3rd February 2004, 08:37
Anything and everything can be explained.
I think you're totally wrong. Humans can only percieve what is relevant to them, only with the help of maths are we aware of the atom and even then to explain it we need the use of a model. We can only begin to try and explain something once we can experience it and I certainly doubt that we can gain exposure to exerything.
RedAnarchist
3rd February 2004, 08:43
You have a good point there
Invader Zim
3rd February 2004, 08:53
Nothing is unexplainable, just at this particualar point of time we cant explain them. That doesn't mean that they will never be explained.
iloveatomickitten
3rd February 2004, 09:19
Equally it doesn't mean that they will be explained
Trissy
3rd February 2004, 11:41
I think there are things that are to some extent beyond our explanation. Time is one thing that springs to mind. I think it was St.Augustine who said that he understood what time was as long as he didn't have to explain it and that as soon as he tried it would become a mystery once more to him.
Beyond that I think there are things in science that we cannot explain and will probably never be able to. An example would be the Big Bang...what came before it? What caused it? I don't think we'll ever be able to explain where the Universe came from (if indeed it did come from anywhere) even if we carried out research for a million years.
On another note what is a good explanation? In my philosophy of science lecture I realised that a lot of what I 'know' I take for granted and cannot be proved. A simple example of this will be electrons. Science used to be defined as being derived from the facts, and this was done through observation (for example study of the motion of objects could have helped Newton establish his laws of mechanics) but now our observations are not direct as such but rather done through high tech machines. What is an electron? How do I know electrons exist? I don't mean to argue that they don't exist, all I'm saying is that I'm relying on the accuracey of a machine to tell me things. I'm relying on an observation of a machine's observation. Electrons may indeed exist but can I ever experience one directly?
I know science is more pragmatic then religion but I've been thinking, don't they both require faith to a certain extent? I mean, what is the differance between a priest telling me that God exists because he has observed Him, and a machine telling me that electrons exist because it has observed them to? I cannot experience either of them directly as such so what makes one more believable then the other?
Individual
3rd February 2004, 17:29
What is to say that there will not be another Cold War in 5 years, resulting in the destruction of Biosphere 1. Then will everything be explained?
Can you explain to me exactly why my time travel machine does not work? You cannot tell me that someday everything will be explained. Think of it this way, 2,000 years ago, do you think anyone could have possibly comprehended that an automobile would be constructed. In a way this is irelevant, however imagine what we do not know of the future, imagine the things that are to come. This means that for the rest of man kind, new things (whether thought, or creation, etc.) will come about that will be unexplainable. Things will be explained along the way, however new things unexplainable will come.
I think you're totally wrong. Humans can only percieve what is relevant to them, only with the help of maths are we aware of the atom and even then to explain it we need the use of a model. We can only begin to try and explain something once we can experience it and I certainly doubt that we can gain exposure to exerything.
Iloveatomickitten was completely correct in stating that we can only perceive what is correct. What is there to prove that what we have perceived is absolutely correct. We correct ourselves? Who is to say whether we are right or wrong? Sure many things may make sense, but what is to say that things are 100% correct? We can only comprehend what is possible to comprehend/perceive.
Pedro Alonso Lopez
3rd February 2004, 18:56
I believe there are of course things we can't explain, in philosophy there are many questions that have yet to be answered since the pre-Socratics starting questioning the world.
Some of these I am sure will never be explained.
suffianr
4th February 2004, 05:09
The Chaos Theory (http://www.imho.com/grae/chaos/chaos.html) explains why some certains things seem unexplainable, or at least, seemingly unpredictable.
But people didn't make up philosophy to explain things. Philosophy was made up so people can convince themselves that their explanation make sense. Other than that, everything else is bullshit.
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