Those looking for a ideology

[Cosmonaut]

Red greetings comrades! To anyone new to communism (I became a communist last year), if you are unsure of a ideology, you should check out Leading Light Communism. Leading Light Communism is the fourth and highest stage of revolutionary science. This seems like big words for an ideology you know nothing about, so let's teach you.

WHAT IS LEADING LIGHT COMMUNISM?
Leading Light Communism is a ideology that seeks for liberation through global people's war. Leading Light Communism is third-worldist, meaning, we believe that a significant revolutionary base cannot exist in the first world. That does not mean there can be no revolutionaries in the first world, there is just not enough to really make a change. We believe there is no proletarian class in the first world at all. My personal theory for this is that the bourgeois, on sight of communism, turned the proletarian class closest to them, into bourgeois so that they will not rebel. After all, why would you want to end the thing that is giving you privilege? We believe that Maoism and the Great Proletarian Cultural Revolution of the 1960's and 70's was the furthest advance to communism in history. We uphold the ideas of Marx, Engels, Lenin, Stalin, and Mao. But we, by no means, believe their thoughts are perfect. There are no socialist nations today. Cuba is not socialist. North Korea is not socialist. Venezuela is not socialist. Vietnam is not socialist. China is not socialist. Non of the European social democracies are socialist. Only the Soviet Union from 1917 to the early 1950's and China from 1949 to the early 1970's were socialist.

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[Q]

Since you haven't reached the 25 posts yet, you can't post links. I would advise to post the rest in your OP.

[Hit The North]

Greetings!

But what is the point of being a third-worldist when you live in first-world NY?

[DDR]

Da foq?

[Tim Cornelis]

"Leading Light Communism is the fourth and highest stage of revolutionary science. It is the spiritual hydrogen bomb of the people! Long live the leading light!!!" lol

Maoist Third Worldism is generally not regarded as revolutionary socialist current due to its anti-working class nature (rejecting the 'first world' proletariat as non-proletarian), and therefore, as far as I know, there are policies in place on revleft against Maoist Third Worldism.

If you're not an arse like Deep Sea then welcome I guess.

[GiantMonkeyMan]

I generally believe that third worldism is an abandonment of any action in the western capitalist nations probably due to some sort of bizarre mix of capitulation in the face of the state, a racist understanding of the development of foreign nations and a fetishism of guerillaism. What good does trying to build solidarity for revolutionaries in nations oppressed by neocolonialism when the centres of that neocolonialism remain standing? A revolution in Britain would do more to liberate the oppressed people throughout the world simply due to the fact that London is a central hub for global financial capital. That's why potentially the most powerful force of anti-imperialism is the working class of the western capitalist nations and distancing yourself from any attempt to organise amongst them due to some terrible Marxist analysis declaring they don't exist and that they are merely 'aristocrats' is the most laughable position for a supposed communist to take.

[Tim Cornelis]

Also, what counts as first world?

Human Development Index:

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/34/2014_UN_Human_Development_Report_Quartiles.svg/863px-2014_UN_Human_Development_Report_Quartiles.svg.png

The darkest two shades of colour are first world? Because then you are limiting your revolutionary potential quite a bit.

[Ethics Gradient, Traitor For All Ages]

MTW holds that there are exploited workers in the first world, but that these groups mostly consist of migrant and prison labor, and to some extent low paid ethnic minorities (although only if they dont own a car or computer lol) It is hopelessly tied to racial theory, it's a weird cult created and populated by disconnected young white men, from the first world, with major self esteem issues.

[Vladimir Innit Lenin]

this idea of 'first world' and 'third world' is so fucking dumb and out-dated.

as are these basement dwellers from new york who think that they suppport a people's war. Yeah, of course you're going to abandon your life in new york to fight for an ideology that hates the sort of people who....live in new york. Fuck sake the stupidity. :rolleyes:

[Cosmonaut]

As LL Communism teaches, there are anomalies in the first world that will break out of the the consumerist lifestyle that was taught to us by the bourgeois. These days, that is few people. Also,

1. "If you're not an arse like Deep Sea then welcome I guess." I am not. I don't think. No.


2. The Third world is All of South America, All of Africa and Most of Asia (South Korea is not third world). The first world is Amerikkka, Kanada, all of Europe, and Australia. We have the world majority!

[John Nada]

There are no socialist nations today. Cuba is not socialist. North Korea is not socialist. Venezuela is not socialist. Vietnam is not socialist. China is not socialist. Non of the European social democracies are socialist. Only the Soviet Union from 1917 to the early 1950's and China from 1949 to the early 1970's were socialist.If by "socialist" you mean achieved socialism, neither of them said they had it in that time frame(NEP and New Democracy).
What good does trying to build solidarity for revolutionaries in nations oppressed by neocolonialism when the centres of that neocolonialism remain standing? A revolution in Britain would do more to liberate the oppressed people throughout the world simply due to the fact that London is a central hub for global financial capital. That's why potentially the most powerful force of anti-imperialism is the working class of the western capitalist nations and distancing yourself from any attempt to organise amongst them due to some terrible Marxist analysis declaring they don't exist and that they are merely 'aristocrats' is the most laughable position for a supposed communist to take.I don't know about the first world proletariat being the most powerful force of anti-imperialism at this time. Who was more effective at putting an end to the Vietnam War, US protesters or the Vietcong?

On one had the global south has much weaker governments and provides support for the first world. If, say all of Latin America and Africa went red, then that advance socialism a lot. There would be less support for the imperialist, and might provoke a revolution in the imperialist centers. However in past revolutions they've stalled due to imperialist intervention.

On the other, a revolution in, say Britain, would prevent an intervention against revolutions in the neo-colonies. It would, as you said, hit capitalism in the heart. However, there does exist a large petty-bourgeoisie subsidized by super-exploitation. Much of the proletariat, particularly the upper strata, at least gets a false consciousness, as well as possibly real benefits from racism.

I don't think either should be written off.

[motion denied]

Greetings!

But what is the point of being a third-worldist when you live in first-world NY?

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Why should we believe your first world white labour aristocrat words, OP?

[Cosmonaut]

"Why should we believe your first world white labour aristocrat words, OP?"

:lol::lol::lol:

I'm not white. Download these books: llco.com/llpress

[Lower Case S]

The first world is Amerikkka, Kanada, all of Europe, and Australia.

So, since MTW is ostensibly scientific, what are the criteria involved in determining what is and isn't part of the "First World"? It seems pretty arbitrary to me. So, for example, are China and Brazil "Third World" countries? Doesn't China engage in imperialism in Africa and Latin America? What about the Brazilian companies buying up major U.S. businesses in the heart of the so-called First World? Is there some clear cut dividing line between the so-called First and Third Worlds?

It's not as if I've studied MTW theory extensively, but I've never been able to figure out the rationale behind dividing the world in this fashion. It's useful in certain ways (although I prefer to discuss the Global North and Global South) since this method can outline the general fashion in which imperialism tends to operate, but it doesn't provide much more than an extremely superficial sketch--far from scientific class analysis in my view.

[Cosmonaut]

Well, China and Brazil are exploited by the first world, therefore, don't have the same privileges as those in Amerikkka. And I'm not a LLCommunist Anymore.

[BIXX]

Are you still an mtw?

[BIXX]

Also whoa necro

[Cosmonaut]

No, well, I hate Amerikkka, but I'm not a MTWist anymore.
Also, what?

[Slavic]

Well, China and Brazil are exploited by the first world, therefore, don't have the same privileges as those in Amerikkka. And I'm not a LLCommunist Anymore.

The idea of nations being exploited as a whole is a stupid idea. Nations arn't exploited, people are.

There are working class people who are exploited in the US, and there are working class people who are exploited in China.

There are bourgeoisie in the US who exploit workers domestically and abroad, and there are bourgeoisie in China who exploit workers domestically and abroad.

To say China is exploited by the US because the US is first world and China is third world is extremely simplistic and devoid of any content whatsoever.

[Magón]

The idea of nations being exploited as a whole is a stupid idea. Nations arn't exploited, people are.

There are working class people who are exploited in the US, and there are working class people who are exploited in China.

There are bourgeoisie in the US who exploit workers domestically and abroad, and there are bourgeoisie in China who exploit workers domestically and abroad.

To say China is exploited by the US because the US is first world and China is third world is extremely simplistic and devoid of any content whatsoever.

Some bourgeoisie are just the pawns of greater bourgeoisie. China might not be in this case, but from Mexico on down to the tip of Argentina, that is certainly the case.

[Skyhilist]

Did you come up with this yourself? It sounds like if some weird new third worldist-related tendency were marketed by Billy Mays.

[BIXX]

If billy mays were a leftist we would be experiencing communism.

[Zoroaster]

No, well, I hate Amerikkka-

We're the "k"'s Neccessary? Just askin.

[Zoroaster]

So I just looked at the website for this LLCO...

I need to write a book called "Third Worldist Maoism: An Infantile Disorder".

[BIXX]

The "amerikkka" thing is common amongst Maoists.

[Zoroaster]

Yeah, it's annoying.

[Sabot Cat]

Yeah, it's annoying.

You're just one of those AmeriKKKan sheeple, a KKKapitalist KKKollaborator with the KKKonservative RepubliKKKans!


...

I have a sudden urge to stab my eyes out...


So I just looked at the website for this LLCO...

I need to write a book called "Third Worldist Maoism: An Infantile Disorder".

Now that's something I want to read.

[BIXX]

(Un)united $nakes of amerikkka.

This is some shit I have seen Maoists do. Where did this shit come from?

[Sabot Cat]

(Un)united $nakes of amerikkka.

This is some shit I have seen Maoists do. Where did this shit come from?

Deep-seating loathing for orthographically cogent text?

[TheMask]

Cuba is not socialist. North Korea is not socialist. Venezuela is not socialist. Vietnam is not socialist. China is not socialist. Non of the European social democracies are socialist. Only the Soviet Union from 1917 to the early 1950's and China from 1949 to the early 1970's were socialist.


But comrade! How can socialism be anything other than self-identifying? Who are you to tell people who are and who are not socialist? Do you seek to create split amongst the comrades? The beauty of equality is its diversity! Viva!

''If you tremble with indignation at every injustice, then you are a comrade of mine''
-Che

[Ethics Gradient, Traitor For All Ages]

Do the workers control the means of production in any of those countries?

[TheMask]

Do the workers control the means of production in any of those countries?
Yes my comrade, but that does indeed depend on what is meant by ''means'' of production?

[Ethics Gradient, Traitor For All Ages]

Feel free to enlighten me comrade

[TheMask]

My apologies but I am the one asking you a question and you ask me to enlighten you? I fear I have misunderstood

[Ethics Gradient, Traitor For All Ages]

Oh no I guess I've misunderstood you then. Why would you be an authority on which countries are socialist if you don't even know what means of production are let alone who controls them? http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Means_of_production

To answer my own queston then, the workers do not control them. In some instances party bureaucrats control them "on behalf" of the workers or just plain old private interests control them, while the workers earn wages by operating them, just like in any other country on the planet. None of those countries practice socialism any more than the US practices freedom or democracy.

[DOOM]

If billy mays were a leftist we would be experiencing communism.

>implying avakian is not billy mays

[consuming negativity]

why did you necro this thread

it is terrible and the op is banned

[Ethics Gradient, Traitor For All Ages]

Cuz the mask is schooling you newbs on socialism

[Per Levy]

why did you necro this thread

it is terrible and the op is banned

because of che quotes, che is everything.

[Lord Testicles]

(Un)united $nakes of amerikkka.

This is some shit I have seen Maoists do. Where did this shit come from?

I blame the clowns at MIM (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maoist_Internationalist_Movement). I could be wrong though, but I usually associate that kind of spelling with MIM or I at least associate MIM with that kind of spelling.

[BIXX]

because of che quotes, che is everything.
Che is love
Che is life

[Ethics Gradient, Traitor For All Ages]

Che cured my gonorrhea, but at a terrible price

[BIXX]

Che cured my gonorrhea, but at a terrible price
I'm sorry, you poor sweet child. Don't you know never to make deals with Che?