Best Punk Sub-Genere

[El Brujo]

As for myself, Ive gots' to have my old-school HC.

[canikickit]

I voted for the first one because I don't really have a clue what the rest mean. :lol:
Fixed that poll for you to, El Brujo.

[Pingu]

i voted for surf-punk

i love the dead kennedys

[Edelweiss]

Everyone who will vote 'Viking Rock' will immediately be banned! :D
I voted surf-punk aswell BTW. My second choice would be Oi!, my 3rd pop punk (yes, I admit! not the MTV stuff though...)

[RedAnarchist]

Viking Rock?

Isnt that what they sell at Norwegian seaside resorts? :lol: :lol:

[Edelweiss]

Originally posted by [email protected] 3 2004, 11:50 AM
Viking Rock?

Isnt that what they sell at Norwegian seaside resorts? :lol: :lol:
Viking Rock = Nazi music

[RedAnarchist]

what types of music are left-wing?

The joke i made about the nazi music wasnt inappropiate was it?

[Invader Zim]

Originally posted by [email protected] 3 2004, 09:45 AM
Everyone who will vote 'Viking Rock' will immediately be banned! :D
I voted surf-punk aswell BTW. My second choice would be Oi!, my 3rd pop punk (yes, I admit! not the MTV stuff though...)
yeah you know you love blink182 really Malte, dont try and deny it.

I voted Sex pistols etc, because Sid Vicious is god... admittedly a rapist as well, and a dead godly rapist.

[mentalbunny]

I went for post-punk goth. But what about Anti-Flag and stuff, where would you put them? Otherwise I might have gone new school HC.

[Politrickian]

First would be Oi!/77' but I chose Oi!
then old school hc
then psychobilly

[guerrillaradio]

*Cracks knuckles*

Brujo how's it going my death metalling chum??

Here's the deal: hardcore stopped being punk with the whole 88 youth crew thing. Hatebreed/Denied/ExC have fuck all to do with punk. Hatebreed are effectively MTV metal. :P (Although Jamey Jasta does more work for the scene than 10,000 kethead Crass fans).

Old skool hardcore, such as Minor Threat and the like, owns this one.

[Politrickian]

Originally posted by [email protected] 3 2004, 08:03 PM
88 youth crew
Sorry I find this to be quite amusing... hehehehe...

[guerrillaradio]

Originally posted by Politrickian+Feb 3 2004, 08:10 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Politrickian @ Feb 3 2004, 08:10 PM)
[email protected] 3 2004, 08:03 PM
88 youth crew
Sorry I find this to be quite amusing... hehehehe... [/b]
Ahh yes. The typical leftie reaction: 88??? That couldn&#39;t possibly mean the year, or the numbers&#33;&#33; It has to be Nazi&#33;&#33; Burn burn burn&#33;&#33;&#33; :rolleyes:

[atlanticche]

its all good except pop-punk and all that shit

[Dr. Rosenpenis]

I voted for &#39;77, because it&#39;s really the only kind of punk I can tolerate.

[mentalbunny]

Originally posted by [email protected] 3 2004, 09:57 PM
its all good except pop-punk and all that shit
What counts as pop punk? Cos Anti Flag (bringing them up again) have a kind of pop-punk style but their content is not what i&#39;d call pop punk.

[Bad Grrrl Agro]

null vote I&#39;m all over the place

[Rob]

I voted Oi&#33; (of course). Then psycho (though I don&#39;t think that the bands listed are the best examples of psychobilly as a genre), and then old school hardcore.

[left for dead]

Where&#39;s ska-punk??? Bands like 15 Letras, Nana Pancha...

[El Brujo]

thnx CIKI

guerillaradio:

Here&#39;s the deal: hardcore stopped being punk with the whole 88 youth crew thing. Hatebreed/Denied/ExC have fuck all to do with punk. Hatebreed are effectively MTV metal.

Your basically right about the chunkier stuff (I had old Earth Crisis and Hatebreed in mind when I put that in the poll, its faster and less heavy). But still, a lot of the newer metal-esque HC bands take quite a bit of influence from punk. Particularly DMS bands like Skarhead.

Malte:

I think your confusing Viking Rock with RAC. Viking Rock for the most part, isn&#39;t racist. Its simply influenced by norse mythology. Many of the bands (particularly the nordic ones) are quite patriotic but it makes sense as paganism is part of their history. The Spanish band Holmgang is actively anti-fascist and Carl from the Templars plays in a Viking Rock band called Wodnes Thengas. The only Viking Rock I know of who is racist is Saga. I call all punk-oriented racist bands RAC regardless of their sound.

[Edelweiss]

Originally posted by [email protected] 4 2004, 12:54 AM
I voted for &#39;77, because it&#39;s really the only kind of punk I can tolerate.
What a stupid and bougeois statement&#33;

[Edelweiss]

Originally posted by El [email protected] 4 2004, 04:54 AM
Malte:

I think your confusing Viking Rock with RAC. Viking Rock for the most part, isn&#39;t racist. Its simply influenced by norse mythology. Many of the bands (particularly the nordic ones) are quite patriotic but it makes sense as paganism is part of their history. The Spanish band Holmgang is actively anti-fascist and Carl from the Templars plays in a Viking Rock band called Wodnes Thengas. The only Viking Rock I know of who is racist is Saga. I call all punk-oriented racist bands RAC regardless of their sound.
Yea, most of them aren&#39;t openly racist, nevertheless the Nazis love that shit. That&#39;s enough for me to call it Nazi music.

[Politrickian]

Originally posted by guerrillaradio+Feb 3 2004, 09:48 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (guerrillaradio @ Feb 3 2004, 09:48 PM)
Originally posted by [email protected] 3 2004, 08:10 PM

[email protected] 3 2004, 08:03 PM
88 youth crew
Sorry I find this to be quite amusing... hehehehe...
Ahh yes. The typical leftie reaction: 88??? That couldn&#39;t possibly mean the year, or the numbers&#33;&#33; It has to be Nazi&#33;&#33; Burn burn burn&#33;&#33;&#33; :rolleyes: [/b]
Hehe I know it means the year. I mean my best friend goes to nearly every big and/or local hardcore show.

But at the time that I was reading it, I was having a conversation with someone about boneheads, so you know.

Excuse me for making myself look like a moron ;)

[atlanticche]

Originally posted by mentalbunny+Feb 3 2004, 10:58 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (mentalbunny @ Feb 3 2004, 10:58 PM)
[email protected] 3 2004, 09:57 PM
its all good except pop-punk and all that shit
What counts as pop punk? Cos Anti Flag (bringing them up again) have a kind of pop-punk style but their content is not what i&#39;d call pop punk. [/b]
what im talking about is bands like blink 182 and good charlotte who only apeal to skaters and fans of pop music, not including anti-flag and sum 41 though

[guerrillaradio]

Originally posted by El [email protected] 4 2004, 02:54 AM
guerillaradio:

Here&#39;s the deal: hardcore stopped being punk with the whole 88 youth crew thing. Hatebreed/Denied/ExC have fuck all to do with punk. Hatebreed are effectively MTV metal.

Your basically right about the chunkier stuff (I had old Earth Crisis and Hatebreed in mind when I put that in the poll, its faster and less heavy). But still, a lot of the newer metal-esque HC bands take quite a bit of influence from punk. Particularly DMS bands like Skarhead.
I haven&#39;t heard Skarhead, since I&#39;m not exceptionally big on DMS (or any crew for that matter). Fortunately that shit&#39;s kinda left at the door in the UK (except little tongue in cheek crews in London).

I guess bands like Terror take influence from punk in that they take influence from the original NYHC/tough guy thing which took influence from punk, but I don&#39;t see any direct correlation between nu skool hardcore and punk. Most bands which are influenced by punk would be seen as old skool. Lecture lecture. Who cares. Listen to Modernlifeiswar (as if you aren&#39;t already haha). I&#39;m seeing Sick of it All (again) on Sunday.

I don&#39;t see any 60s punk n roll represented on here Brujo. Everyone knows MC5 are the finest punk band in history. They caused a fuckin riot outside the NDC for fuck&#39;s sake... :D

[guerrillaradio]

Originally posted by atlanticche+Feb 4 2004, 07:21 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (atlanticche @ Feb 4 2004, 07:21 PM)
Originally posted by [email protected] 3 2004, 10:58 PM

[email protected] 3 2004, 09:57 PM
its all good except pop-punk and all that shit
What counts as pop punk? Cos Anti Flag (bringing them up again) have a kind of pop-punk style but their content is not what i&#39;d call pop punk.
what im talking about is bands like blink 182 and good charlotte who only apeal to skaters and fans of pop music, not including anti-flag and sum 41 though [/b]
I think 99% of punks would strongly tell that that isn&#39;t punk, it&#39;s MTV boy band rock.

Anti-Flag are just fuckin lame.

[Rob]

Originally posted by [email protected] 4 2004, 07:26 AM
Yea, most of them aren&#39;t openly racist, nevertheless the Nazis love that shit. That&#39;s enough for me to call it Nazi music.
A lot of nazis love the 4-Skins and The Last Resort and most of the other old Oi&#33; bands too, but that doesn&#39;t make Oi&#33; nazi music, does it?

And Left for Dead: please note the statement about ska-punk in the poll itself.

[atlanticche]

no i like anti-flag, though i also like led zeppelin, the clash, europe and kelis

[mentalbunny]

GR, just cos they&#39;re not HC, I don&#39;t see how Anti-flag are lame, they write good tunes with more meaningful lyrics than most big punk bands. And they are big. So why do you think they&#39;re lame?

[guerrillaradio]

I heard a really bad story about them which I&#39;ve forgotten cos I&#39;m exhausted. I&#39;ll dig it up tomorrow.

And they&#39;re lame musically. Seriously.

[El Brujo]

Originally posted by [email protected] 5 2004, 04:54 AM
I don&#39;t see any 60s punk n roll represented on here Brujo. Everyone knows MC5 are the finest punk band in history. They caused a fuckin riot outside the NDC for fuck&#39;s sake... :D
Damn, I knew I forgot something. :) I don&#39;t think I had anymore space anyhow and 60&#39;s punk kinda sounds like &#39;77.

[El Brujo]

Originally posted by Rob+Feb 5 2004, 05:14 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Rob @ Feb 5 2004, 05:14 AM)
[email protected] 4 2004, 07:26 AM
Yea, most of them aren&#39;t openly racist, nevertheless the Nazis love that shit. That&#39;s enough for me to call it Nazi music.
A lot of nazis love the 4-Skins and The Last Resort and most of the other old Oi&#33; bands too, but that doesn&#39;t make Oi&#33; nazi music, does it? [/b]
That&#39;s exactly what I was thinking. In fact, "England" by the the Angelic Upstarts was an anthem in the NF and Ian Stuart himself attended AU shows. Ill be damned if AU are considered a Nazi band.

[Edelweiss]

Originally posted by El Brujo+Feb 6 2004, 06:21 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (El Brujo @ Feb 6 2004, 06:21 AM)
Originally posted by [email protected] 5 2004, 05:14 AM

[email protected] 4 2004, 07:26 AM
Yea, most of them aren&#39;t openly racist, nevertheless the Nazis love that shit. That&#39;s enough for me to call it Nazi music.
A lot of nazis love the 4-Skins and The Last Resort and most of the other old Oi&#33; bands too, but that doesn&#39;t make Oi&#33; nazi music, does it?
That&#39;s exactly what I was thinking. In fact, "England" by the the Angelic Upstarts was an anthem in the NF and Ian Stuart himself attended AU shows. Ill be damned if AU are considered a Nazi band. [/b]
But that Vikingrock shit ALWAYS has reactionary elements (=nationalist, national-mythic, volkist [I know that word isn&#39;t existing really in English language, but I guess you know what i mean...].) Most Oi&#33; music is rather unpolitical fun music, or conistently anti-fascist. Fascist Oi&#33; bands are still a small minority. At least here in Germany, and the skinhead scene is pretty big here.

[dark fairy]

there&#39;s only a certain amount of punk i can take at a time but there are plenty of good bands mentioned here but not a big fan of punk ... so im a bit on the "blah" side of this

[El Brujo]

Originally posted by Malte+Feb 6 2004, 12:31 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Malte @ Feb 6 2004, 12:31 PM)
Originally posted by El [email protected] 6 2004, 06:21 AM

Originally posted by [email protected] 5 2004, 05:14 AM

[email protected] 4 2004, 07:26 AM
Yea, most of them aren&#39;t openly racist, nevertheless the Nazis love that shit. That&#39;s enough for me to call it Nazi music.
A lot of nazis love the 4-Skins and The Last Resort and most of the other old Oi&#33; bands too, but that doesn&#39;t make Oi&#33; nazi music, does it?
That&#39;s exactly what I was thinking. In fact, "England" by the the Angelic Upstarts was an anthem in the NF and Ian Stuart himself attended AU shows. Ill be damned if AU are considered a Nazi band.
But that Vikingrock shit ALWAYS has reactionary elements (=nationalist, national-mythic, volkist .) Most Oi&#33; music is rather unpolitical fun music, or conistently anti-fascist. Fascist Oi&#33; bands are still a small minority. At least here in Germany, and the skinhead scene is pretty big here.[/b]
Most Oi&#33; bands are very patriotic (and Im not talking about RAC here, Im talking about apolitical and even a lot of leftist bands). You&#39;re right, Oi&#33; isn&#39;t about politics and its basically about having fun with other working class people but so is viking rock. It has the same political makeup as oi&#33;: You have the antifa&#39;s (Holmgang, Wodnes Thengas), you have the apoliticals (Ultima Thule, Midgards Soner, Hel) and you have the bones (Saga). It makes sense as viking rock [i]is oi&#33; only with rock n&#39; roll, nordic folk elements and a "fun" image of vikings. Weather they really are pagans or not isn&#39;t important either. There are anti-fascist pagans as well who rightfully point out that Nordic paganism has nothing to do with racialism and was degenerated by Hitler&#39;s propaghanda: http://www.angelfire.com/wy/wyrd/odinvsnazi.html

[Edelweiss]

Originally posted by El Brujo+Feb 6 2004, 07:15 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (El Brujo @ Feb 6 2004, 07:15 AM)
Originally posted by [email protected] 6 2004, 12:31 PM

Originally posted by El [email protected] 6 2004, 06:21 AM

Originally posted by [email protected] 5 2004, 05:14 AM

[email protected] 4 2004, 07:26 AM
Yea, most of them aren&#39;t openly racist, nevertheless the Nazis love that shit. That&#39;s enough for me to call it Nazi music.
A lot of nazis love the 4-Skins and The Last Resort and most of the other old Oi&#33; bands too, but that doesn&#39;t make Oi&#33; nazi music, does it?
That&#39;s exactly what I was thinking. In fact, "England" by the the Angelic Upstarts was an anthem in the NF and Ian Stuart himself attended AU shows. Ill be damned if AU are considered a Nazi band.
But that Vikingrock shit ALWAYS has reactionary elements (=nationalist, national-mythic, volkist .) Most Oi&#33; music is rather unpolitical fun music, or conistently anti-fascist. Fascist Oi&#33; bands are still a small minority. At least here in Germany, and the skinhead scene is pretty big here.
Most Oi&#33; bands are very patriotic (and Im not talking about RAC here, Im talking about apolitical and even a lot of leftist bands). You&#39;re right, Oi&#33; isn&#39;t about politics and its basically about having fun with other working class people but so is viking rock. It has the same political makeup as oi&#33;: You have the antifa&#39;s (Holmgang, Wodnes Thengas), you have the apoliticals (Ultima Thule, Midgards Soner, Hel) and you have the bones (Saga). It makes sense as viking rock [i]is oi&#33; only with rock n&#39; roll, nordic folk elements and a "fun" image of vikings. Weather they really are pagans or not isn&#39;t important either. There are anti-fascist pagans as well who rightfully point out that Nordic paganism has nothing to do with racialism and was degenerated by Hitler&#39;s propaghanda: http://www.angelfire.com/wy/wyrd/odinvsnazi.html [/b]
No, from what I see the Vikingrock bands are much more aggresively pushing forward nationlist ideas than most Oi&#33; bands. I look at the Ultima Thule site (big swedish flag along with the phrase "the national alternative", this is a clear, reactionary, political statemnt IMO). Also, those Vikigrock bands are an good entry for young people to openly fascist music, the step from songs about fatherland, Volk and national myths and pride, to bands who are adding some Nazi worshipping is small. The Nazi music scene was getting much bigger in Sweden with the success of bands like UT. Read HERE (http://www.student.uit.no/~paalde/nazismexposed/Scripts/Reports/swedish-scene97.html). I say that UT didn&#39;t had a problem at all with their indirect pepping up of the swedish Nazis, but that&#39;s something they would of course never admit...

[SgtPepper369]

No touching 77 punk.

[guerrillaradio]

Originally posted by El Brujo+Feb 6 2004, 04:16 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (El Brujo @ Feb 6 2004, 04:16 AM)
[email protected] 5 2004, 04:54 AM
I don&#39;t see any 60s punk n roll represented on here Brujo. Everyone knows MC5 are the finest punk band in history. They caused a fuckin riot outside the NDC for fuck&#39;s sake... :D
Damn, I knew I forgot something. :) I don&#39;t think I had anymore space anyhow and 60&#39;s punk kinda sounds like &#39;77. [/b]
No fuckin way. MC5 are a world apart from the fuckin Sex Pistols.

[Dirty Commie]

From what I listen to, I think that the Clash could almost go under the surf-skate style punk...their stuff is good, but I think that they had a bit too much, pop style....Maybe I&#39;m still thinking of
the clash album, and not their better stuff.

[Rob]

Originally posted by [email protected] 6 2004, 05:38 AM

No, from what I see the Vikingrock bands are much more aggresively pushing forward nationlist ideas than most Oi&#33; bands. I look at the Ultima Thule site (big swedish flag along with the phrase "the national alternative", this is a clear, reactionary, political statemnt IMO).
So what if they&#39;re patriotic? I&#39;m patriotic. And as far as that "reactionary" claim goes, you can find reactionary elements in almost any genre. And I&#39;m not just talking about punk sub-genres here. Any kind of music with lyrics will have some reactionary artist singing, and something reactionary in its roots.

[El Brujo]

Originally posted by [email protected] 6 2004, 01:38 PM
No, from what I see the Vikingrock bands are much more aggresively pushing forward nationlist ideas than most Oi&#33; bands. I look at the Ultima Thule site (big swedish flag along with the phrase "the national alternative", this is a clear, reactionary, political statemnt IMO).
Again, most apolitical oi&#33; bands are also "nationalists." Look at some of the American bands: Patriot, Stars & Stripes, Red White & Blue... The names say it all, and as Rob pointed out being patriotic does not equate to being reactionary. I love my country but I have nothing against others (now, I know you think Im an "evil, authoritarian, anti-semitic, stalinist" but can we please not go into that. My patriotism is non-political). Many people interpret patriotism as wanting the best for their people, not having national chauvinism and sadistic pleasure about being a world power. Ill admit to being suspicious about patriotism, particularly American patriotism because it is associated with neo-conservatism, but if the interpretation is leftist or non-political, I have nothing against it.


Also, those Vikigrock bands are an good entry for young people to openly fascist music, the step from songs about fatherland, Volk and national myths and pride, to bands who are adding some Nazi worshipping is small. The Nazi music scene was getting much bigger in Sweden with the success of bands like UT. Read HERE (http://www.student.uit.no/~paalde/nazismexposed/Scripts/Reports/swedish-scene97.html). I say that UT didn&#39;t had a problem at all with their indirect pepping up of the swedish Nazis, but that&#39;s something they would of course never admit...

So, Nazis are influenced by viking rock. That dosen&#39;t mean Viking Rock is reactionary. Don&#39;t judge an entire genere because of what some idiots that are into it do. You can see the same scenario with Decibelios in Spain: Decibelios flew the Spanish flag at their shows so boneheads considered them "one of them" and the WP music scene advanced using Decibelios as an influence (never mind the fact that at least half of their songs are ska influenced if not full-on ska and they played with the redskin band Kortatu). Ultima does have a right-wing past and may have sat on the fence until recently but they were never nazis and they stand firm on that conviction, their vocalist jumped off stage during a song in one of their shows and attacked a nazi doing the Hitler salute. Furthermore, they toured with the Exploited last year.

[El Brujo]

Originally posted by [email protected] 7 2004, 01:01 AM
No fuckin way. MC5 are a world apart from the fuckin Sex Pistols.
I wasn&#39;t referring to MC5 specifically. I was referring to 60&#39;s punk in general (The Stooges, et al).

[Edelweiss]

Originally posted by El [email protected] 7 2004, 04:10 AM
You can see the same scenario with Decibelios in Spain: Decibelios flew the Spanish flag at their shows so boneheads considered them "one of them" and the WP music scene advanced using Decibelios as an influence (never mind the fact that at least half of their...
I very much prefer Oi bands like Oi Polloi than, once at a concert of them where I have been, they burned a German flag on the stage, and I, like most other anti-fascists there, applauded him for that&#33; The drunken fuck who was trying to prevent it got what he deserved...
What can we learn out of that: Burn your flag, don&#39;t wave it&#33; :D

[Rob]

Originally posted by [email protected] 7 2004, 02:54 PM
I very much prefer Oi bands like Oi Polloi than, once at a concert of them where I have been, they burned a German flag on the stage, and I, like most other anti-fascists there, applauded him for that&#33; The drunken fuck who was trying to prevent it got what he deserved...
What can we learn out of that: Burn flags, don&#39;t raise them&#33; :D
Oi Polloi hasn&#39;t really been Oi&#33; since the late eighties...they&#39;ve just gotten crustier and crustier as time&#39;s gone on. And you can quote Marx all you want, but burning your country&#39;s flag isn&#39;t gonna do much more than alienate yourself from a mostly patriotic working class. And, like I&#39;ve already said, if you look close enough at them, you&#39;ll be able to find something reactionary or counter-revolutionary about almost all genres of music, so if you&#39;re gonna not listen to viking rock because it&#39;s reactionary, you might as well give up on most music.

[celtopunk]

You left out peace punk/crust punk. Certainly these deserve a spot over Viking Rock.


And no the Clash were not even remotely surf/skater punk. How many kids did you ever see surfing in england? Skateboarding wasn&#39;t popular or probably even non-existent when the Clash fromed. And how many skate.surf bands infused reggae/ska and rockabilly into their sound?

[allixpeeke]

I voted for Old School Hardcore, though my tastes are probably a little more in line with Post-Hardcore. But I have no qualms with listening to any of the sub-genres you mention, or other genres not included on the list. I can get into everything from the Jazz of Miles Davis to the Metal of Arch Enemy.

<<its all good except pop-punk and all that shit>>
<<What counts as pop punk? Cos Anti Flag (bringing them up again) have a kind of pop-punk style but their content is not what i&#39;d call pop punk.>>

Pop punk doesn’t exist. Every punk band, whether it be old-school punk, new wave, ska, hardcore, post-hardcore, etc., whether you’re the Circle Jerks or the Melvins, they all write pop songs. So, there is no such thing as pop punk. And, to go a little further, there is no such genre as pop. “Contemporary pop”, but not “pop”. Good Charlotte would fall under the all-consuming genre of Alternative rock, but not punk in particular.

<<Where&#39;s ska-punk???>>

Ska: a combination of punk’s subgenre new wave, and styles of reggae.

<<No fuckin way. MC5 are a world apart from the fuckin Sex Pistols.>>

The MC5s would fall under the sub-genre of Thrash.

<<So what if they&#39;re patriotic? I&#39;m patriotic.>>

Likewise. Patriotism isn’t a problem…NATIONALISM is the problem.
Patriotism is, “I like my country, I like living here, I believe in here, here is part of who I am.”
Nationalism is, “My country is the best in the world, everyone else’s sucks, and those who don’t live here are scum and are beneath us.”
I actually think of Nationalism as being unpatriotic. True patriots are willing to question the intent of their own government.
Patriotism has never lead to war abroad, but Nationalism has.

~~~alex.

[celtopunk]

MC5 is NOT Thrash&#33;&#33;

[Rob]

Originally posted by El [email protected] 8 2004, 10:30 PM
In terms of Oi&#33;, nothing beate the Angelic Upstarts. Apart from playing damn good music, they are the Woody Guthrie of Oi&#33;. They love their country, respect others and want the best for their people. Me and Mensi see eye to eye on almost everything.
Yes, but hopefully you&#39;re less self-righteous and egotistical as Mensi is.

[guerrillaradio]

Originally posted by [email protected] 7 2004, 08:34 PM
Post-Hardcore.

******

<<its all good except pop-punk and all that shit>>
<<What counts as pop punk? Cos Anti Flag (bringing them up again) have a kind of pop-punk style but their content is not what i&#39;d call pop punk.>>

Pop punk doesn’t exist. Every punk band, whether it be old-school punk, new wave, ska, hardcore, post-hardcore, etc., whether you’re the Circle Jerks or the Melvins, they all write pop songs.
Uh oh, here were go. Where&#39;s emo on the list?? And I don&#39;t mean fuckin Finch or some shit, I mean the original emo bands who formed from defunct hardcore bands (ie Dag Nasty, Rites of Spring etc). I probably prefer that sound to the old skool hardcore you listed. Agnostic Front can fuck off.

And no way do all punk bands write "pop" songs. Pop means popular, hence Pavarotti is more pop than all bar 4 or 5 punk bands. And I&#39;d certainly say Mozart is more pop than Converge. Moreover, hardcore, crust, grind and most other punk genres worth discussing (ie the ones that have punk ethics and aren&#39;t Good Charlotte/Anti-Flag cash in bullshit) are part of the DIY/underground scene, and have no interest in selling many records. Hence, the term "pop", which is very arbitrary anyway, has nothing to do with this music. Save that for the crap MTV throws up onto your living room floor.

[Vinny Rafarino]

I had to go &#39;77 &#39;cos Im an old bastard.


I have to agree with Cani when I say that I have no clue about all the other bollocks....


What the fuck is "horror punk"?



And second, where the fuck are The Gun Club?

[Rastafari]

no contest here, folks. There is punk-rock, then there is imitation of punk-rock. &#39;77

[Edelweiss]

Note: Topic has been splitted. Discussion about nationalism/patriotism moved HERE (http://www.che-lives.com/forum/index.php?act=ST&f=6&t=22194&st=0)

[shakermaker]

i vote for &#39;77&#33; sex pistols and clash are great&#33;
i don&#39;t know much about those others and i hate that punk-pop/skate-punk or whatever&#33;

[El Brujo]

Ok people, I only had room for 10 choices. I tried to make this list as representative as possible of the scene and i had to leave some out. There are also crossover bands, gothabilly, etc. as well as the different "lifestyle" mentalities of hardcore (DMS, straight-edge, krishnacore, hatecore, etc) and a lot of bands that fit into more than one category.